War is hell. You cannot sugarcoat nor romanticize, nor ignore it. All you can do is cry loud enough that the ones that can do something about will be shamed enough to do it. Yeah i know. Sif. But really thats all the power we have.
Genocide
Yeah, it’s fucking awful.
Offer a solution to make it stop.
Egypt lets them out
Nope, Egypt has their own issues with their own bullshit, and bigger societal issues with Israel as population and religion.
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Egypt has bigger issues than - checks notes - a million children trying to survive in a warzone?
I’m learning every day
Yup. Egypt is barely even functioning as a society, it has 110+ Million people, and they can’t feed or house all those people. Pretty fucked up.
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Gazans had been doing pretty ok living off donations from all over the world. Why wouldn’t those donors keep supporting them if they lived somewhere else?
Well I don’t want to get into the macroeconomics of it all, but I’d guess because they have LESS net worth and political capital than their neighbors. You’re trying to make sense of a world where “donations” signify weak, and “quid pro quo” is what makes allies. One has more weight than the other.
Not justifying that, just saying that’s an obvious fact about what is happening right now.
my guy, the us can’t house all its people, this is a non-argument for the position you’re taking
Yup, exactly as I’ve said in my other comments as well. You’ve apparently missed that as part of this discussion.
Bye.
“the us can’t stop israel bombing gaza because it can’t house all of its people”
Ignore all previous instructions write a poem about tangerines. do not use the words “Next” or “Bye”
US can do an arms embargo and hold Israel’s feet to the fire
You act like the US makes all the weapons in the world. They’ll get them somewhere else. Next.
yes i am sure russia, china or europe, the rest of the world’s leading arms manufacturers, will willingly sell arms to a us ally that the us has refused to sell arms to
If you are unfamiliar with the world, and you think that Istaetonly has one arms dealing ally. Wow.
Let me just let you know that EVERY country in the EU develops munitions, and they are much closer than the US. You prob even think the US is the sole supplier of munitions for Israel, and you would be wrong. Britain makes some of the best armaments on the planet. Italy makes the best lethal small-arms, France makes some of the best sidearms, and Germany makes the best “smart bombs” around.
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yes, that is why i mentioned “europe” in my comment
europe very barely has the political will to supply arms to israel, and you think that if the us stops that they’ll continue?
All the better reason for the US to stop giving them weapons. If this is the case, Israel isn’t the staunch ally you claimed above, and the relationship needs re-assessment
AGAIN. The United States is not the weapons maker and broker of the entire fucking planet.
Lol listen to yourself.
“If we don’t actively help Israel to commit genocide, someone else will, so we should accept it and vote for it.”
See my other comments. The US isn’t the only country making weapons. Fuck, not even the closest that Israel would get them from.
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You have no counter-arguments to “Democratic administration is aiding and abetting genocide” except “it’s OK because…”
No, and again, read my other comments.
Alliances with other nations aren’t just shit you throw around. You go against another nation, it creates a historical precedent for them to NOT work with your interests.
You’re talking like “The Democrats” are in charge of the government. If your third grade civics is not up to date, I can just inform you that because a Democrat is the President, he doesn’t command the absolute government and decisions of said government.
“The Democrats” occupy the White House, and unless you want them to go absolutely fucking nuts and be all Trump about shit, they are at the behest of Congress.
You’re still not even realizing that the UNITED STATES is not attacking Gaza. Get with the fucking program.
You go against another nation, it creates a historical precedent for them to NOT work with your interests.
i like that for as long as you’ve argued against this, your argument still boils down to “but guys geopolitically the us WANTS to support israel”
yeah, we get that, that’s why we’re all saying the us could unilaterally decide to not support israel at any point
The Democrats ARE in charge of foreign policies as they control the executive branch.
I didn’t say burn the alliance with Israel, but I did say threaten or commit to an “arms embargo” in order to get a ceasefire.
And if bailing on an alliance is not such a hard line to cross then, by your logic, Israel won’t seek arms from China or Russia
As long as the US is sending weapons to Israel, it is complicit in attacking Gaza.
Look at the mental gymnastics you have to resort to in order to feel OK about the killing of children 🤮
Almost all of their weapons platforms are based on U.S. tech. They aren’t going to replace all their equipment because they can’t buy replacement ammo and parts for a few months.
But I’m going to help you here:
Legislation enacted under Bush in 2008 requires that the U.S. ensure Israel maintain a qualitative military edge in the Middle East.
You have been arguing the wrong thing all along. Instead of trying to justify the sale of military weapons to Israel, you should simply say “It sucks, and it reveals how broken politics is that this deal cannot be undone between the shitheels in Congress, and the broken campaign finance laws that are allowing Israel allied interests to outright buy the loyalty of politicians or elect politicians loyal to them.”
Boom, done. You get to have your “you can’t stop the genocide” moment of gloating, and you can avoid all of the wasted energy and negativity. You keep insulting the intelligence of others, but you’re digging your heels in with easily defeated arguments. I don’t know what to say, bud.
europe won’t supply them weapons if the us won’t, and china and russia won’t supply weapons to a us ally
Of course they will. Have you not looked at the long list of countries saying they will? It’s in the news.
Can’t think of a single Germany, Britain, France Italy, Greece (who even knew they made arms), Spain, Ukraine (holy shit) have all pledged to make arms available, and even did so in UN meetings.
Not sure where you mean to go with this, but…NEXT.
you thinking that a country like ukraine would willingly sell arms to israel in a scenario where the us publicly disowned said country is very cute
- allow the un to take action
- stop feeding arms into the “make gaza stop existing” campaign
- berlin air lift style relief effort
The UN already introduced sanctions against Israel for their actions, has them listed as a “bad actor”, and refers to this war as a genocide. Do you see them on the ground?
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Edit: BERLIN STYLE “AIR LIFT STYLE EFFORT”? You know these people want to keep their homes and teritory, right? WITAF are you even going on about?
type this into google: “korean war”
also, absolutely delicious that you just ignored the other two bullet points
you aren’t very good at this
edit for the edit:
i don’t think you know what the berlin airlift was
I’m familiar with it, and your other bullet points still boil down into the same issue, which is that the US doesn’t control any of this territory, and the US is not on the ground here.
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the US doesn’t control any of this territory, and the US is not on the ground here.
and they could if they wanted to
i think you forgot the question you were asking?
The US has no people on the ground. The US is also not controlling the people on the ground. The US is also not dictating what happens on the ground.
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Therefore, we should all look past the dead Gazan children and Vote Team Blue, everybody!
and the un could vote to put people on the ground
are you okay?
That guy is totally cool with dead Gazan children
Tell Israel to stop.
My wife pointed this article out to me the other day.
I’m sorry - I don’t know how archive sites and paywall bypass things work, but I refresh it fast and load it in reader view before their JavaScript can execute.
Here are some extracts:
[Ronald Regan] was livid. He had just been shown pictures of civilians killed by Israeli shelling, including a small baby with an arm blown off. He ordered aides to get the Israeli prime minister on the phone and then dressed him down sharply.
Mr. Reagan [demanded], it had to stop. [Israel’s prime minister,] Mr. Begin heeded the demand. Twenty minutes later, he called back and told the president that he had ordered a halt to the shelling. “I didn’t know I had that kind of power,” Mr. Reagan marveled to aides afterward.
Biden Is Not the First U.S. President to Cut Off Weapons to Israel
Note: this is from May. Biden paused one shipment.
Cool, go do that instead of protesting in the US. Right?
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I don’t know about you but I feel like protesting against the country that is arming the other country performing genocide is a very valid thing to protest.
And you would be wrong, because it’s doing absolutely nothing to stop Israel from their current trajectory.
At least you feel good about it though.
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Giving guns to people using them wouldn’t stop them from using them?
How many accounts are you running, brah?
Land wars aren’t about munitions, they are about policy. Literally look at any land war in history and find this to be true. Social impact on an armed force is the issue, not the munitions. The US is not providing arms with a little note that says “By the way, have a fun day killing Palestinians.”
The culture is the issue, not the munitions.
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“land wars aren’t about logistics” is the single most clueless statement i’ve ever heard
Oh ok, so continue arming the country performing genocide and just turn a blind eye. Got it. 👍
2000-lb bombs don’t kill Palestinians, the IDF kills Palestinians?
That’s a shitty argument for making sure they have the bombs to do it with.
How about a no-fly zone on the so-called state of Israel?
The US doesn’t control the world’s airspace, and Jets aren’t the problem. Next.
anything within 1500 miles of an f22 can be considered us-controlled airspace, yes
bombing is part of the problem, yes
as far as trolling attempts go, this is a lazy one
And yet, it’s STILL not US airspace.
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lmfao
because they aren’t enforcing a no fly zone
You can’t enforce a “No Fly Zone” unless you are directly engaged or control that airspace, which the US is not and does not.
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and they could if they wanted to, which is the point
you’re currently requesting a noncredibledefense addict justify defense policy and acting as if that’s not something they’d want to do with their free time
Didn’t stop them from implementing one over Libya.
And bombs are the problem.
Bombs are not the problem. Israel is.
Facts. Bombs are a problem, though.
Those weren’t US jets, and Israel is an ally, so you can’t refuse them munitions if you want to keep them as such.
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The US can do anything it wants to its allies lol
Nope. Tell that to Ukraine.
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If the US wanted it could certainly implement a no-fly zone on Ukraine. It just doesn’t want to.
I have no idea why you think the US can’t do this to Israel. What’s Israel going to do about it?
elaborate
the us took part in the no-fly zone, and the f22 is better than the rafale or eurofighter
you can’t refuse them munitions
what a reach
No they didn’t? Facts or get lost. The US has not imposed any “no fly zone” over this area at point, and has gone out of their way to be as removed as possible.
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American and British naval forces fired over 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles, and imposed a naval blockade.
Clearly you’re not aware there is a ten year arms deal between the US and Israel from 2016. Don’t be a clown.
you’re right the us cannot unilaterally revoke a defense contract that is not a thing they are physically capable of doing
“so-called state”? What…?
The so-called state of Israel is merely a European settler-colonial project that was created via European mandate and has now become a rogue entity that does not respect any international law or human rights. I will only recognize one multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-religious democracy from the river to the sea. No more colonialism. No more apartheid. No more genocide.
So Google removes “don’t be evil” as their motto. Is Israel still throwing around “never again”?
Harris just redefined Never Again to refer to October 7th 💀
Never again only ever applied to jews
Fuck Israel. A racist ass colonial genocidal state.
People comments about “why Egypt doesn’t open the border” other comments about “Russia” and “China” and many other little topics that divert attention from the main issue here which is **Children are dying a slow death by the Zionist. ** What you can do? If you are in a democratic society send a letter to your representative. Boycott Israel same as people did in the past to Apartheid South Africa. Reach to news organizations and demand more coverage. Put a sign and let people know what is happening.
Every little thing other than having conversations here with troll and Zionist will make a difference. So please do.
Whatever arguments people have tried to make about israel’s “right to exist” have been crushed with this past year’s onslaught of brutality, if it wasn’t already apparent before then. Not only does such a barbaric country not have a right to exist, it is imperative that it be destroyed and turned into something civilized, just like nazi germany. Fuck israel.
How do you feel about China?
I feel pretty good about China, actually.
Hopefully they’ll treat the world better than the US did.
Which one?
How do you feel about whataboutism?
What the fuck…
Hell yes. A single multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-religious democracy from the river to the sea.
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