• Monument@lemmy.sdf.org
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      3 months ago

      My wife pointed this article out to me the other day.

      I’m sorry - I don’t know how archive sites and paywall bypass things work, but I refresh it fast and load it in reader view before their JavaScript can execute.

      Here are some extracts:

      [Ronald Regan] was livid. He had just been shown pictures of civilians killed by Israeli shelling, including a small baby with an arm blown off. He ordered aides to get the Israeli prime minister on the phone and then dressed him down sharply.

      Mr. Reagan [demanded], it had to stop. [Israel’s prime minister,] Mr. Begin heeded the demand. Twenty minutes later, he called back and told the president that he had ordered a halt to the shelling. “I didn’t know I had that kind of power,” Mr. Reagan marveled to aides afterward.

      Biden Is Not the First U.S. President to Cut Off Weapons to Israel

      Note: this is from May. Biden paused one shipment.

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        3 months ago

        I don’t know about you but I feel like protesting against the country that is arming the other country performing genocide is a very valid thing to protest.

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          3 months ago

          And you would be wrong, because it’s doing absolutely nothing to stop Israel from their current trajectory.

          At least you feel good about it though.

          Next.

            • just_another_person@lemmy.world
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              Land wars aren’t about munitions, they are about policy. Literally look at any land war in history and find this to be true. Social impact on an armed force is the issue, not the munitions. The US is not providing arms with a little note that says “By the way, have a fun day killing Palestinians.”

              The culture is the issue, not the munitions.

              Next.

                • just_another_person@lemmy.world
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                  3 months ago

                  Okay, cool. Think that about every land war you’ve seen since the dawn of the modern age and tell me how that’s an incorrect statement. I think two world wars and some folks in Vietnam would have some enlightened conversations for you.

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                    the two world wars were incredibly famously about logistics

                    the us spent literally billions of dollars attempting to stymie viet minh logistics, and failed to do so

                    just as a quick question, what in the actual fuck are you talking about? thanks

                  • Monument@lemmy.sdf.org
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                    3 months ago

                    Backing up, so this isn’t buried in the comment thread. You mention land wars and highlight Vietnam and the world wars.

                    When the other commenter replies specifically about how logistics were vital to those wars, you say there were other wars, and when they corner you in that, you insist they aren’t defining land war right?

                    I would love to know what you believe the aforementioned enlightened conversations would entail. Just explain it - I’m not going to challenge your explanation. I’m legit curious.
                    Preemptively, though - if you’re focusing on what the wars were “about,” rather than how they’re prosecuted, then you’re arguing a moot point. The “about” is meaningless if the participants lack the ability to make war.

                    What of the other wars you mention that you haven’t given a name to? Which wars? In what ways do they not fit the bill for logistics?

                    And finally, what is your definition for land war, if that’s vital to understanding your comments?

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                3 months ago

                2000-lb bombs don’t kill Palestinians, the IDF kills Palestinians?

                That’s a shitty argument for making sure they have the bombs to do it with.

                  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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                    3 months ago

                    You’re not being realistic. You’re being dismissive. You have been presented with ways to stop the genocide and you don’t want to hear any of them. And now you’ve switched from “Next.” and “BYE” to “Keep going.”

                    But what you will never do is entertain any suggestion that might end the genocide. Well, except one: Keep sending them weapons and say absolutely nothing until the genocide is complete.

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                3 months ago

                Oh ok, so continue arming the country performing genocide and just turn a blind eye. Got it. 👍

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                  3 months ago

                  If the world was just, we wouldn’t have any of this bullshit at all by my calculations, so…

                  Not sure what you’re point is, but it’s not helpful whatsoever. Next.