Summary
Representative Sarah McBride, the first out trans congresswoman, criticized Donald Trump’s executive order defining gender as strictly male or female.
McBride points out that biologically all embryos develop as female until the SRY gene activates weeks after conception.
The order, which ties gender to reproductive cells at conception, unintentionally categorizes all humans as female from conception based on biological facts.
McBride’s remarks highlight scientific flaws in the policy.
Its so stupid that the government of one of the world’s most powerful countries is occupying itself trying to restrict people’s healthcare and bathroom usage based on some poorly understood and arbitrary rules about zygotes. Meanwhile, the planet burns.
it’s a distractions and a very effective one at that.
It’s easier to wage an imaginary culture war than it is to try to make any real changes
I feel like an invulnerable Goddess, in my sleep Trump tried to turn me into a man. I went Ultra Instinct and slapped that shit without waking up, and when I finally do get up I find that the whole country is one giant lesbian slumber party.
This shit aint nothing to me ma’am, Madame President could suck my gock if I wasn’t post-op.
Does this make him officially the first woman president? So progressive.
If it’s retroactive, then we haven’t had a single male president.
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
EO != law
So this means we did get the first female president! Yippee
We’d all better march down to the DMV and update our genders then…
It’s required by imperial edict now.
No! That’s where the pants pocket removal squads will get you.
You can have my pockets when you pry my cold dead hands from them.
The president Donald Trump is the president with more women in their cabinet ever.
Dude is literally drowning in pussy
I wish, that’d be a hell of a headline.
“Muffled at Last, Serial Snapper Grabber Snatched to Death”
Binders of women
So far, only one cabinet member has been confirmed by the Senate, Marco Rubio for Secretary of State…
So I guess you’re still not wrong. ;)
Theres two possible interpretations due to the at conception bit I think. Either he made everyone a woman, or he abolished gender all together. Either way this EO make Trump the single largest gender changer in history as he just changed the gender of either ~150 million or ~300 million people.
It’s fun to think about the hypotheticals, but the reality here is that it does not matter the exact words in the EO. We know what they mean, and they won’t let some silly technicality stop them.
I really would like to see some people ask for a divorce off the fact that they were married under false pretenses. They believed they were marrying a man.
E pluribus unum, baby.
“At conception” leaves no room for interpretation - he abolished gender altogether.
Remember that sex =//= gender.
From what I read of the executive order, it seemed like he specifically got rid of gender and only recognizes sex since that isn’t an identity thing.
Oh, true, the article right there says “As of today, it will henceforth be the official policy of the United States government that there are only two genders: male and female,” he declared.
Well, that’s just dumb.
It reads to me more or less like “It’s the official policy of the United States that mass and weight are the same thing.”
Like I can understand the confusion that some people would have over such similar concepts, but to claim they’re the same is just ridiculous and very easily disproven.
It’s definitely 80 year old senile old man logic.
He didn’t actually write any of these orders. I am not sure he would even be capable.
The question becomes who did write this order.
It sounds like an 80 year old dudes opinions either way.
I totally get what you are saying. I think it would be cool to know who actually drafted all these up. It is clear Trump did not. Understanding who is writing these and who is actually calling the shots in the Trump apparatus is paramount to unraveling the truth about what is going on.
I think it is past time to keep pretending the President is the one who makes decisions. It is clear there are a lot of people that the American public does not even know that are the real policy makers.
It’s terrifying that whoever wrote this order obviously lacks basic education.
- The order speaks about sex, and defines gender identity as pointless fantasy. So abolishing gender identity was the intended purpose.
- It defines every human as belonging to neither of the 2 sexes. There is pretty much no other way to read it.
- It does not define anyone as female. These people just apparently either can’t read or just refuse to. Idk which one is more sad.
It defines every human as belonging to neither of the 2 sexes. There is pretty much no other way to read it.
Read it carefully, and then read it like a Republican.
“Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.
This does NOT mean “a female is a person who can produce the large reproductive cell.”
The BELONG is the key word here. They’ll argue that anyone with XX chromosomes belongs to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell. An embryo may not produce large or small reproductive cells, but they still belong to the sex that produces the large or small reproductive cell. Even if an adult is infertile, they still belong to the sex that produces the large or small reproductive cell. It’s not like per-pubescent children or post-menopausal women don’t have a sex marker on their passports.
That is how this is meant to be read, and that is how it will be interpreted by conservative courts.
In truth the definition is a bit circular, as it defines “sex” as:
“Sex” shall refer to an individual’s immutable biological classification as either male or female. “Sex” is not a synonym for and does not include the concept of “gender identity.”
And then in turn it defines male and female in terms of “belonging to the sex that produces…”
But I don’t think the courts will really quibble with that. It’s clear what the intent of the order is. And that is how it will be interpreted.
You do not have to actually be capable of producing the large reproductive cell to be a member of the sex that produces the large reproductive cell. Is this definition all-encompassing and without issues? No. But legal definitions rarely are perfect, and courts have to find ways to still apply laws that reflect the intent of their drafters. And while the wording of the order is clumsy, the intent is quite clear.
The simple existence of XY females (Swyer syndrome, 1 in 100,000 females) and XX males (de la Chapelle syndrome, 1 in 20,000 males) makes this binary declaration imperfect.
The law isn’t code.
Donvict and his supporters (yeah, I know, don’t blame the precious voters!) don’t really understand science.
Someone should sue JD Vance for addressing Trump as Mr. President. Illegally addressing him as a man. Clearly sewing doubt in the direct orders of the president, it’s detrimental to the entire country.
Trump: “You must identify with the gender you were at the time of conception.”
Science: “Everyone starts out as women and don’t become men until 6 weeks after conception.”
Trump: “That is exactly what I meant. Everyone who knows science must identify as a girly girl.”
Trump decided he wanted to be the first female president obviously. Don’t you liberals understand 5d chess!?
“Trump beat Hilary to being the first woman president” is honestly hilarious to me. Sad, but also hilarious.
He literally just wants to be the first female president
Can anyone clarify how the 6wk part override the zygote being XX or XY at conception? (Automod deleted my last inquiry)
The chromosomes being set at conception seems to be the sticking point for those in favor.
Trumps EO states that sex is no longer determined by chromosomes and is now done by reproductive organs. Someone please correct me if im wrong.
I thought it was specifically at conception? So chromosomes…??
You’re correct.
Although the technical wording isn’t exactly specifying organs, but rather the capacity of the organs to produce either the “large” or “small” reproductive cells (egg/sperm)
It defines “Sex” as someone’s “immutable biological classification as either male or female,” but the classification “Male” or “Female” then uses the term “belonging […] to the sex that-” which effectively means that sex is someone’s biological classification as either belonging to the sex that […], where sex is someone’s biological classification as either belonging to the sex that… and so on.
The definitions themselves genuinely repeat endlessly, but even with a charitable reading, assuming that, for instance, instead of “biological classification” it was “biological classification based on physical characteristics,” which is how the definitions of male/female seem to be worded, it still could possibly classify everyone as sexless, since nobody produces those cells at conception.
My charitable reading is that Donald has transitioned 175million people against their will. He should be ban from going near any school we don’t want him trying to forceably transition more people.
One gender for everyone!
You kids are spoiled with all your gender identities. Back in my day, we only had one gender, and we were grateful for it!
You were lucky! We had to share a gender with everyone in the village!
And when that prick Jane had it, it always came back bent!
You’ve heard of non-binary gender, get ready for its upgraded form: unary gender
Ope we’re all gay now. Time to grab the most outrageous outfit you can come up with and get in the parade everybody.
Nope, you can still be straight if you’re attracted to males outside the US, executive orders aren’t worldwide
They are in America! YEAH!!! MERICA!!!
Urinary gender???
Any of y’all wanna join the Peepee Club? Urine!
Wanna come to a club where people wee on each other?
You ever drink Baileys from a shoe?
On this blessed day, we are all old greg
You’ve seen my downstairs mixup.
We’re all yesgendered now! Hooray!
TWO GENDERS ENTER! ONE GENDER LEAVES!
Mad Musk: Beyond Genderdome
For some reason this makes me think of the inscription on the One Ring.
It began with the forging of the Genders. Three were given to the Transgenders, eepy, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the Non-binaries, great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. And nine, nine genders were gifted to the furry-folk, who above all else desire power. For within these genders was bound the strength and the will to govern each gay community. But they were all of them deceived, for another gender was made. Deep in the land of Mordor, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Sauron forged a master gender, and into this gender he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.
One gender to start them all, one gender defines them
One gender to bring them all, and in togetherness find them
One sex to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.
“Human Beings”, like the Greendale mascot.
Anyone who thinks this shit is funny is in for a rude awakening.
They do not fucking care. They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.
You don’t get out on technicalities in fascism; if the autocrat in charge wants to do the thing, he will do it. All of these things will be used as cudgels against perceived political enemies, and marginalized US citizens.
They do not fucking care. They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.
The reason why this is good news is that the more bizarrely worded the order, the easier it is to get it throw out in court, America even now runs on the WORD of the law, not the intent.
America even now runs on the WORD of the law, not the intent.
Yeah except not really. Have you paid attention to recent SCOTUS decisions? They aren’t even bothering to make cogent arguments in some cases, and hearing others that never should have standing in the first place.
Cogent arguments?
Can you clarify your question, please? Are you asking what a “cogent argument” is?
yes
Oh. Try Google.
They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.
The “de-fund the police” (but really adjust teaming to include psyche pros to ensure proper handling of at-risk people who do not warrant a response escalation) movement may show them how that’s done.
This. In much the same way an elder god doesn’t give a damn about conservation of energy or the square cubed law, a dictator with effectively un-checked power doesn’t care about wording of executive orders or LAWS. Be careful.
Cthulu has woken from eons (4 years) of slumber (not being president) to ravage the planet, while looking like a moldy cheese puff.He doesn’t have fucking unchecked power, he has a slim majority in congress, a full diaper, and a constitutional deadline before he stops having any power. Don’t give him an inch, make them fight for every grain of sand.
With this Supreme Court and federal judge stack? Who decides constitutional issues? Who’s going to challenge the Supreme Court legally? The majority GOP senate? Or the majority GOP house of representatives? He has all three branches of government. Who can challenge all three legally? Anyone with a chance (vast wealth) were sitting behind him at the inauguration. In the sense of “checks and balances,” he literally has unchecked power.
I want people to try to be less pesimistic, the point is that technicalities like this will waste time. Every one of these exectuive orders is going to be challanged in court, and while the GOP controls the higher courts, these cases will start in the lower ones. With any luck, the lower courts will stay the order until things can get resolved. Every appeal, every challange takes time to process and judges are under no obligation to resolve things quickly.
The goal currently isnt to try and overturn the order, thats just pissing into the wind. The goal is to waste their time for 2 years and hope the house flips, if it does, we can send 47 back to his golf course for the rest of his term because he wont be able to accomplish anything.
The Senate flipping is also a very real possibility in 2026. There are 22 Republican seats up for grabs and only 13 Democratic ones.
The goal is to waste their time for 2 years and hope the house flips, if it does, we can send 47 back to his golf course for the rest of his term because he wont be able to accomplish anything.
And then we’ll have Couch Fucker McGoo as president.
(not intending to kink shame)
I’m into weird TF porn, so now I’m thinking about being turned into a woman/couch hybrid, it’s kinda hot ngl.
Nobody likes Vance. He’d be a completely ineffectual president. Which is preferable in my opinion.
I’m, not sure about that. vance is probably a lot more likely to be worn as a sock puppet. drumpf will at least give them a hard time everytime he doesn’t want to do something.
Man, I’m tired of people calling realism “pessimism.” It’s kind of a huge problem actually when you think about it.
we can send 47 back to his golf course for the rest of his term because he wont be able to accomplish anything.
I mean I was kinda hoping agent 47 would be incredibly busy this term. I can imagine a level set inside the inauguration with the dinner and all that.
I think the bigger issue is hiding in plain sight:
a person belonging, at conception
Personhood does not begin at conception.
And if it legally does, since I’m a chimera, can I use the carpool lane?
You should apply for a second birth certificate, on the grounds that both of the “people” who were conceived were actually born. You should seek a second SSN, claim them as a dependent on your taxes.
That would be an interesting approach to how to deal with me being trans. “Actually you only issued my brother his birth certificate, I’m the sister, here’s the proof I was born”
The Vatican has entered the chat
We all know that’s why the mistake was made. It’s not exactly rocket surgery.
It’s a P2025 script. Oklahoma made it into law into September, with the same ridiculous misunderstanding of basic biology. It doesn’t matter, they know who they are supposed to oppress.
At least McBride can now use the women’s restrooms in the Capitol. And so must all the other politicians!
Haha this is so awesome, she should tell that one to a trans person being denied healthcare.
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO, because they’re all hilarious, woahfully ineffective at combatting conservatives and the far right, but hilarious.
No, it really doesn’t. All ethical arguments aside, veterinarians/doctors/scientists/animal breeders often sex-select sperm for breeding purposes, very common as far as animals, I assume common enough in assisted human pregnancies. Anyways, bio sex is literally determined by the male input, not the female, it is quite literally decided at conception even if you can’t see it yet. (Why I know this? Farmer. You have no idea how violent and dangerous Holstein bulls are. Even before selected sex sperm was an option, dairy farmers went with artificial insemination rather than risking getting killed by one of those bastards. Most people, even farmers have, have not seen an intact, full grown, Holstein bull. Jersey are the same way, but not quite as bad. For whatever reason, beef breed bulls, dangerous as they are, are much calmer than dairy breed)
that’s one meth-powered wall of text if I ever seen one lmao
No, moron, that’s actual reality.
Ok thanks for sharing 🙏
8 science deniers so far.
Huh, weird, I only count two.
I bet you throw an absolute fit at anti vaxxers, and yet here you are, thinking politics defines the reality when you want it to, same as.
I don’t think science is political. Neither are facts. The fact is that all human embryos develop as female until triggered to become male. Defining gender as immutable and at conception thusly defines every human as female. There is no shortage of conditions where genes get turned on and off, chromosomes get duplicated or damaged, and it affects what sex characteristics are developed. Defining sex at conception is entirely a political act, and without merit or basis in science or reality.
FYI, you can go back and delete your posts anytime.
“I don’t think science is political” It is very, very obvious you do, otherwise you wouldn’t “know” this much and be intentionally ignoring the fact that sex selected artificial insemination of sperm (not embryo) exists. You’re choosing wordiness and obsufacation instead of a real argument. I was plain, you should try it.
FYI, You can shut your politician ass up anytime.
…ignoring the fact that sex selected artificial insemination of sperm…
Common misconception. We say it’s sex selected, but it’s actually chromosome selected, and the criteria is chromosomes that determine sex characteristics.
Regardless, the order as written does not define sex as the presence or absence of the Y chromosome in humans. It defines it as “what type of reproductive cell (based on size of all things) a zygote would produce if unaltered at the time of conception”. At that time, without any other hormone changes, or activation/deactivation of genes affecting sex characteristics, the resulting organism would produce eggs instead of sperm.
To make a long story shorter. Intersex people exist, and infertile people exist. What sex would they be, based on this XO? As written, there are only 2 options, and neither apply to those people.
Also, this…
…fact that sex selected artificial insemination of sperm (not embryo) exists.
… doesn’t actually exist. Looks like you are using a misunderstanding of science politically.
that’s sex election, you facetious twat, and it most certainly exists
Huh, didn’t know they were sexing semen for artificial insemination. Do you know if they can catch intersex semen? Intersex individuals/animals do exist and have been well documented.
As far as I know, intersex is caused most often by a double fertilized egg, or that thing that happens when one twin absorbs the other in utero, chimeraism or mosaic. Something similar causes Down syndrome, an extra chromosome gets in there somehow.
