Exactly. The truth is that the current DNC is utterly incapable of actually winning a presidential election, and they have been incapable of it for more than a decade. 2020 was an anomaly; they won only due to covid. Fixating on Gaza will only ensure that the fundamental mistakes aren’t corrected and that Republicans win again in 2028.

Kamala/Biden were already losing before the Palestine conflict started. Palestine did not cause Kamala to lose the election. She could have used Palestine as a signal that she intended to truly strike out in a new direction, but she chose not to do that.

Unfortunately, that kind of radical break from the past was the only hope any Democrat had in 2024. People have this weird view that 2024 is an anomaly. It’s not. 2020 was the anomaly. Trump only lost in 2020 because of covid. If not for covid, Trump would have easily won in 2020.

You might as well be blaming Gaza for the Libertarian party not winning. The existing Democratic party is as nonviable at the presidential level as the Libertarian party is. The current Democratic leadership is fundamentally incapable of winning a national presidential election. They literally are not capable of it. They got lucky in 2020 due to a disaster of historic proportions, but in normal times, they are not capable of wielding a candidate that will win a presidential election.

Only radical change and reform in the DNC can change this. And this is ultimately why scapegoating the handful of people who actually stayed home due to Gaza is counterproductive. If you think Kamala lost in 2024 due to Gaza, you’re going to be sorely, sorely disappointed in 2028 when another DNC centrist fails to win, even when the Gaza issue is no longer on the table.

Kamala didn’t lose because of Palestine. She lost because DNC centrism has been a political dead end since at least 2012. 2020 was the anomaly; Trump only lost because of Covid.

Centrists are just using the Palestine issue as a scapegoat for their own failures. Kamala/Biden was doomed long before Palestine.

The real failure of the Democrats wasn’t even on Gaza. The day Biden won the election, I was saying that it didn’t matter, and that Trump or a similar Republican would be back in power in 2024. Why? Because it was abundantly obvious, even then, well before Gaza, that he wasn’t going to do the things that needed to be done to keep Trump out of power.

The 2020 election was the anomaly. DNC milquetoast centrism is a dead philosophy and has been politically nonviable since 2012 at the latest. Biden only won by a fluke in 2020 because Trump managed to so massively screw up the covid response. If covid hadn’t happened, or if Trump hadn’t actively screwed it up so much, he would have won in 2020.

Biden represents a philosophy that voters have rejected again and again. Yet the Democrats will never fucking learn.

Even if by some miracle Kamala had won, all that would have changed was that Trump or another fascist would have won in 2028, because again, she wasn’t going to do anything substantial.

People ultimately didn’t even stay home just because of Gaza. They stayed home because they were tired of voting for a failed party again and again, election after election, because “democracy was on the line.”

Here’s a hard fucking truth about democracy. For most people, democracy hasn’t been worth jack shit. Remember, the bottom 90% of the country doesn’t actually live in a democracy and hasn’t for decades. US democracy died a long time ago. People just got tired of propping up the facade and decided to finally let the rotten edifice collapse.

Want someone to blame for the current Trump term? Blame Biden for appointing Merrick fucking Garland. And it’s clear that even now, the Democratic leadership hasn’t learned a damn thing. The Democratic Party needs to be burned to ashes. It is irredeemable.

Honestly, I’m so tired of the media even reporting it. This reeks of an obvious example of one of Trump’s distraction techniques. He does it constantly. He knows how to manipulate the news cycle, and fucking dumbasses fall for it every time.

That would be even more damning for Kamala.

Exactly. People are simply naively assuming that the Democrat is automatically better for Gaza. In reality, the actual policy differences between Kamala and Trump on Gaza are minimal. Trump is just a lot ruder about it.

Has Harris publicly condemned any of Trump’s actions on Gaza? Silence is complicity.

Exactly. Kamala isn’t facing AIPAC anymore. She’s not running for office. She faces literally zero downside in publicly condemning the idea. Since she isn’t condemning it now, why would anyone assume she would do it if she were currently president, when the pressures against her would be much higher?

What evidence do you have that Kamala would have opposed this idea as president? Has she released any recent statement condemning the idea? It’s actually a lot easier for her to do so now than it would have been with her as president. She’s a private citizen now; she need not fear AIPAC campaign dollars. She need not fear offending Biden. She’s not lifting a finger to condemn the idea now, when she faces zero downside in doing so. What makes you think she would have opposed it as president?

Sure, Trump is a lot more vocal in his support of ethnic cleansing than Kamala would have been. But I think Kamala would have simply looked the other way and refused to intervene if Israel attempted it. I see zero indication in her actual behavior that she would have intervened if she was currently president.

80% of Israelis support ethnic cleansing of Gaza. If they actually attempt it, what makes you think Biden/Kamala would have tried to stop it?

I think the only difference is that Trump would cheer on the cleansing while Kamala would have tut tutted about it.

Kamala isn’t dead. She hasn’t fallen off the face of the Earth. Has she released any statement even now condemning the idea? She doesn’t even have to fear AIPAC anymore. She has nothing to lose in condemning the idea. If she won’t even release a statement condemning it now, what makes you think she would have lifted a finger to prevent it if she had been elected?

That was the whole point of the uncommitted movement. The only difference between Trump and Kamala’s Israel policy is that Trump vocally supports war crimes, while Kamala quietly supports them.

If Congress and the Supreme Court are both being flagrantly ignored, and Trump continues to violate even direct Supreme Court orders, this doesn’t end with impeachment. This ends with Congressional Republicans and Democrats, and the Supreme Court justices meeting with military leaders and having Trump removed by the military. Alternatively, the military might simply stand aside and let the mob bring justice to Trump.

There is a very real chance this ends with Trump, Musk, and all their lackeys getting the Mussolini treatment.

Fatalism is fatal.

The records they’ve illegally accessed and tampered with are protected by numerous federal laws. Some of these carry the death penalty. These kids could literally end up hanging for this.

Well, typically how it works is that it’s an alternative to renting a piece of farmland in cash. Instead of paying the land owner in cash, you pay them in a portion of your harvest. /s

Why prop it up? Tear that thing down and recycle it. There’s good old growth wood in those old barns!

Well, I’m not in favor of extrajudicial punishment. But realistically, those kids have signed their own death warrants. They and Musk are literally committing treason against the republic and other crimes that are capital offenses. Nazis risk ending up at Nuremberg.

Honestly, if this gets bad enough, I won’t be surprised if the military indirectly allows him to be removed by force.

It’s incredibly rare for a tyrant to actually be removed by force by a mob of disorganized revolutionaries. When you see instances of this happening, what’s usually actually happening is that the military has lost all confidence in the dictator, and they simply stand aside and let the mob storm the palace.

Think about just what a precarious situation Trump and Musk are going to find themselves in after they fire half the federal government. The DC metro area is going to be at a level of unemployment that dwarfs that of the Great Depression. The whole population of DC will be wanting to see heads on pikes.

The military wouldn’t even have to intervene directly themselves. All they would have to do is stand aside and let the mob storm the gates. That exact scenario has brought down countless tyrants over the generations.

Dictators don’t tend to meet good ends.

This is one of those things were pardons and laws don’t really matter. The way this thing is going, most of the citizens of DC will literally want to see Trump, Musk, and Vance’s heads on pikes. If things get bad enough, the military and those guarding the president may simply look the other way and let the mob storm the gates. Most of the instances you see of revolutionary crowds storming a dictator’s palace only occur because the military abandons them.

Trump and Musk are at a very real risk of ending up like Mussolini, hanging from a lamppost. That’s how Fascist leaders like him often end up.

And I propose jail time for Senator Hawley. Specifically, life without parole for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election results.