Jesus Christ. Locking down this massive shit show.
We deserve a nuke.
And Ukraine is gonna get that nuke.
Fuck. I hope Canada has some open slots for immigrants.
From what I can gather, Canada seems to be following the same trend as the US just shifted back a few years
Seconded
Canada has an increasing anti immigrant sentiment right now. They’ve announced big cut backs to the number of immigrants allowed. Furthermore, moving to another country is difficult and expensive. It’s not a realistic option for most people.
Tbh most of the ire aimed at immigrants here is specifically targeted to either Indian or Ukrainian migrants. Infrastructure is genuinely buckling under the weight of migration but it’s a case of too little investment and not entirely the result of immigration.
I can say as a white, western immigrant to Canada that I’ve never had anyone complain about my immigration however I’ve had locals complain about immigration to me forgetting that I am indeed one of the immies.
They are angry at Ukrainians? Shiiiiit…
Not in my experience, no. It doesn’t seem to be an issue with any particular group, although some people may be more vocal about Indian immigrants in particular - for what seems to be racially motivated reasons in my opinion.
The main complaint is that we’ve allowed too many people all at once and we now face issues with the lack of housing availability and affordability, the state of the economy, overpopulation and the potential strain on public resources.
I’ll marry one of ya’s
Sucks here but welcome
Fuck off. Stay out of our country, you people have done enough damage to us.
The people fleeing it are exactly the people you’d want to see.
Actually, given the senseless over-generalization, you might prefer seeing your spiritual brothers, the republicans.
I n voted for Harris but agree with you. We need to stay and clean up our mess. Because were are we going run to. America doesn’t just affect America but whole world. We need to fight not run.
You should build a big wall and make them pay for it!
I’m in that country and can’t disagree. I was just paraphrasing the line from the Joker movie to a friend of mine,“We’re going to get exactly what we deserve.”
You assholes exported Gavin McInnes and the Proud Boys to us, not the other way around. Shut the fuck up you stupid piece of shit.
Kinda douchey to be a dick towards those who fought against it, don’t you think?
Couldn’t care less tbh, I’m judging murica as a whole and you pricks are gonna drag us all down with you. Say goodbye to Ukraine, cause trump is gonna stop all support for them at best, and straight up support russia at the worst. 3rd party voters that voted against genocide? Congrats, you now have much worse than a dem administration when it comes to that shithole israel.
Fuck america.
Congrats, you now have much worse than a dem administration when it comes to that shithole israel
Nothing will fundamentally change in the Israel policy, it’s just that now people will start caring because it’s orange man doing it instead of genocide Joe
What do you mean “you pricks”? I am not American. I am German. And I think you are having a panic attack.
Not arguing against the things you wrote possibly happening. Hell, I think it will be even worse than that.
But these people also didn’t want any of this. Let’s not be awful against those who need a blanket and a hug, please?
American here. I would totally take you up on that hug there, mein bruder. This feels pretty damn awful. :(
I’m still holding out some kinda vague hope for the “final numbers” but…right now I’m not alone in feeling a little lost and confused at what we’re about to go through and what the heck life will look like in the near future.
A lot of previous elections felt like empty hype and doomsaying but this one feels like we’re gonna feel it immediately.
God help us all.
I’m in one of the bluest cities in one of the bluest states…I’ve voted in every major and local election since I was old enough, I’ve protested, I’ve tried to get people to vote, I’ve marched, I’ve tried to kindly change minds through patience…I’ve been doing it since high school and I don’t know what else I can personally do. If people hit the streets, I’ll be there. But I’m with you, it’s like no matter what I personally do things are burning around me and this election proves there’s much more hate in this world than I’d hoped. I still think there’s light in everyone, but I can understand why people are angry with us… we’re dropping the ball hard as a country. meanwhile I’ll just be sitting here in the middle of the night, wide awake but exhausted, hugging my dog because we have no control and I know half the voters are okay with taking away my rights. Sending hopeful feelings for you to wherever else in the country you are.
I really appreciate this. I’m stuck awake and exhausted too. My house all voted and did what we could, here in NV, but I hate that nagging feeling that it wasn’t enough.
I’m praying to maintain that fervor, that raging fire to believe in good and fortify against coming evil… But it’s one crisis out of our hands to the next, and I’m just so tired. :(
I find myself returning more and more often to the ever and increasingly relevant:
Ephesians 6:12-17
Eph 6:12-18 KJV For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15. And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16. Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18. Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Sending hopeful feelings for you to wherever else in the country you are.
You too, friend. We’re still here. We’ll get through this one day at a time.
those who fought against it
Did they do more than just vote?
Popular vote says otherwise. The majority wanted this.
Fellow Canadian here and I don’t like being overly harsh with my criticisms … but I’m with you on this.
I’m a native too, a trump administration would happily see us and our people systematically “removed”
Canada will soon be electing a conservative government.
Until a trumper does something fucked up and the border gets closed off.
Ok just hurry up and get your citizenship so you can help us vote against the guy who’s trying to be like Trump, thnx.
Their country has a severe housing crisis.
More than anything I’m depressed by the precedent that this sets for the world on attitude and actions. He literally attacked and abused his way to the top. And a majority of Americans support it. Holy fuck.
I think that one guy with the folder “Memes if Donald Trump wins” is gonna have to bust them out.
When Trump was first elected, it made me realize how stupid most of the US is. The results of this election were not surprising, I even linked to the sort of self-serving articles that preceded just before Hillary-Trump’s elections to people who were doing the same in this election. At least in this election, it’s sort of like Israel, they are leaving no doubt about who they support. I don’t even care if Kamala gets the popular vote, most criticize the electoral college word only and refuse to consider gerrymandering as electoral fraud, leading to it occurring in greater and newer ways this election.
Gerrymandering is clearly electoral fraud, but
- it’s not black and white. There’s no clear line between fraud and good
- the people benefiting the fraud are the ones in control of it
- gerrymandering does not affect presidential or senate elections
Why are americans so stupid and yet manage to export so much smart stuff from tech to podcasts to scientists. Is it some sort of dystopia where 1% rules, 20% live in a bubble and 79% are just brain dead idiots?
I fear you may have hit the nail on the head
Yes.
Then there’s us smart ones who see what’s going on, but we’re outnumbered by idiots.
1-America imports smart people from all over the world.
2-Technical smarts and don’t-vote-for-fascism smarts are different.
Yeah but basically everyone I follow from podcasters to tech developers are all non-idiots and I assume their following are also mostly non-idiots. Where are all of these idiots hiding? The contrast between US soft power export and actual average americans is colossal.
Joe Rogan has the biggest podcast in the English speaking world. He has been consistently pro-Trump.
He has not been consistently pro Trump, he has harshly criticized Trump in the past. But now he’s an ass-kisser like Elon. Let’s see how well that works out for them. If they can keep daddy Trump happy at the expense of everyone else.
Temporary criticism and yet he has endorsed Trump for three elections running.
They’re populists.
They see which way a crowd is running and jump in front, shouting “follow me!”
The podcasters you follow are not the mainstream in the US. Probably the majority of mainstream podcasters targeting men, were pro Trump in one way or the other. Either by inviting guests that were pro-Trump, or inviting quacks that are telling men that the left is taking away their masculinity.
You’re looking at and following your information bubble.
This is by design.
Yeah but almost every American I meet here traveling in SEA or Europe is a perfectly reasonable person.
Dunno I just am in such disbelief that my world experience doesn’t match reality at all. I even consider myself pretty well traveled with 20 years of experience traveling around the globe though admittedly I’ve never been to the USA yet and I fear I might not get to see Yellowstone or Big Sur ever at this point or do I even want to?
Kinda sucks to be a fan of US now ngl.
The more conservative you are, the less likely you are to travel. The less likely you are to be open to experiencing “them”.
When I went back to my high school reunion, I tried reconnecting with an old buddy of mine. I found it a little odd that his life seemed exactly the same as in high school, but eventually he admitted that he had never been more than about 50 miles from the town we grew up in. Never left the state, much less the country. Never left the surrounding rural cluster of towns. Never flew. Not even a road trip to a coast, amusement park or city. No changes in food from what he grew up with. No people different from him. What the everliving fuck?
The people you meet while travelling are not the average people. The average American never travels to another state, let alone to other continents… Same is true for many people in many countries: Asians visiting Europe are top % of population in wealth and brains. It’s dissapointing and depressing but fox probably gives you a more true picture of average Americans than Americans you meet while travelling.
Yes I’m perfectly familiar with “survivors bias” but never seen it so extreme.
If you go to the States as a tourist the chances are that you will be just fine, it’s the living there that increasingly sucks.
Why do people from Europe go and build monuments and luxury in Saudi Arabia?
Money. Same answer in the US.
The US is an oligarchy, as attested to by this Oxford study. To answer your question, mostly yes, hence places like “Silicon Valley” and institutions like the electoral college.
Interesting that was written in 2014… Before it was obvious it had all just gone to shit
It just wasn’t obvious to you.
An election was stolen in broad fucking daylight in 2000. That was the canary in the coal mine on election interference.
They’ve done it before and they’ll fucking do it again.
All these young new potential voters! A fresh wave of idiot!Trump is not going to create a better economy. We’re gonna go into a recession and he’s going to blame it on democrats and COVID restrictions.
He’s going to increase immigration, lower wages due to cheap labor, and cause wages to go down. He said this and the retards that live in rural America think he’s going to benefit them. He’s going to reduce the power of Unions.
It’s clown world.
Clown country
Yet what they’ll remember is the stock market skyrocketed
It it bad that I think that’s a best case scenario? Things aren’t looking good.
We’re going back to child labor in factories and brood mares barefoot and pregnant. Trans and brown folks are going to have a real bad time. I’m a white dude and even I’m afraid of what’s going to happen
About 6 million fewer votes for Trump than last election, which is good, but it doesn’t matter since there are 18 million fewer votes for Harris than for Biden last election! Where were those 18 million people? It can’t be that all of them are in the “I don’t vote for genocide” camp. What happened?
It’s never been clearer that not voting gives the election to the Republicans.
It’s not just the “I don’t vote for genocide” camp; there’s also the “can’t this fucker at least campaign properly” camp and the “I’m not voting for this right wing nonsense” camp, among others. Harris was just that bad at this.
So you’re saying people decided to avoid voting for right wing nonsense, and let Donald “Dictator on Day One” Trump win instead?
Exactly. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make, but that is exactly what happened.
It’s easier to blame the voters than to blame the democrats for a miserable campaign
I blame both. The democrat party and the ones who didn’t vote.
Not all have been counted yet
They just called Wisconsin for Trump which puts him over 270.
Yeah but the point was about what turnout was. We know who won but it’s a bit early to discuss relative turnout compared to 2020. It is likely lower, but the specifics will be a while.
There’s no question turnout is lower. Both Trump and Harris received fewer votes than Trump and Biden last time around. Neither of them are inspiring. Yeah Trump has a base, but a lot of Republicans don’t like him but some still voted for him. Harris was uninspiring and had a lot of baggage from the last 3 and 1/2 years. She would not have won a primary in my opinion, if Biden hadn’t insisted on going for a second term initially.
Ƿ did it Pætcrik! Ƿ ſeıvd Pælistuın!
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We did it Patrick! We saved Palestine!
Uı æm roıld ƿið ðoz pıpėl, b u̇nfoṙtcunetlı, Ðı aṙ tu ſmal ė kėntindjint t hold riſpȯnſibilitı ðiſ tuım.
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I am roiled with these people, but unfortunately they are too small a continent to hold responsibility this time.
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine explicitly called to boycott both candidates.
“Oh no, 18 million people stopped voting the Dems! Surely it’s the voter’s fault, not democrats being genocidal ghouls who can’t offer a shred of progressiveness!”
The popular front are fucking idiots and the people who listened to them even more so. Do they not realize how much worse Trump is for Palestine? Israel named a settlement after him and he praised their attitude against Palestine. Americans are stupid af but I called it after Harris was made the candidate that Dems now gifted Trump the presidency.
Wake up. The elections happened. Now it’s PROVEN that running a campaign on genocide, on shaking hands with Dick Cheney, and on shitting on progressives, gets you horrible results if you’re a dem.
The popular front are fucking idiots
Please, white saviour, explain Palestinians how to liberate themselves while endorsing a candidate that openly supports their genocide.
The only one who openly supported their genocide was Trump who now won thanks to them. They will now see what a mistake that was. I feel better at least knowing they now are at fault themselves. I dont have empathy with those who voted Trump or didnt vote anymore. Feels bad for the actual palestinians in Palestine though. But the stupid front? Nah they digged their own hole.
The only one who openly supported their genocide was Trump
Funding Israel while talking of “the right of Israel to defend itself” seems pretty supportive of the genocide in my book.
Again, I’m sure you know better as a likely white American what to do about it than the literal PFLP.
Seeing as the pflp caused Trump to win they know absolutely nothing. And yes, Israel has a right to defend itself. So does every country. They dont have a right to commit genocide though.
Ƿen ð ėðṙ tcoıſ wėz Trump? Yeſ, it z ð votṙ’z fu̇kıŋ falt.
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When the other choice was Trump? Ues, it *is, the voter’s fucking fault.
Wėt d Y kal ė teıbėl ƿið 1 Nazi and 18 votṙz n dIŋ enıþıŋ ėbaut ð Nazi?
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What do you call a table with 1 Nazi and 18 voters not doing anything about the Nazi?
Ė teıbėl wið 19 Nazis.
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A table with 19 Nazis.
Pſ, Uı’m ė Pæliſtinıen Y’ṙ lektcṙıŋ æt luık Uı cᵫd bı þeıŋkıŋ Y f helpıŋ t ſıl ð feıt v muı pıpėlz’ homlænd. Ƿen YS trupſ lænd t eıd ð ȯkyupeıcėn, Ƿ’l rimembṙ hu let ð mæn kėmændıŋ bæk i tcaṙdj, æ hau greıtfᵫl Ðı tȯkt ovṙ U̇ t ſeı Ƿ cᵫd bı!
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PS, I’m a Palestinian you’re lecturing st like I should be thanking you for helping to seal the fate of my people’s homeland. When US troops land to aid the occupation, we’ll remember who let the man commanding them back in charge, and how grateful they talked over us to say we should be!
No
Agreed.
I have no idea what you are saying, I can’t read this.
Based thorns
ÞY
Drag respects the fact that assholes complained you weren’t writing everything in middle English, and you doubled down. You gave them exactly what they wanted and they’re furious. Great job.
It’s very strange to me that turnout is lower, purely because when I went out to vote there was a line goin out the building, which I have never seen before in my area
I don’t know what the final turnout figures will be, but if it is a lower turnout, I can think of a few:
- 2020 was the easiest year to mail in a ballot ever, and it got harder again as states reinstated various difficulties with mail in ballots.
- So many people didn’t have to go into work in 2020, they had more flexibility to vote however they needed to do it.
Maybe sexism and racism are not isolated to the right wing, possibly a lot more in the centre than assumed. Maybe just enough in certain demos to affect turnout.
It’s weird because I even noticed this among liberals. The presidential candidates are always referred to by last name. But both times a woman tried to run, people referred to her as her first name whether you are conservative or liberal or what have you. I have found it a bit disrespectful tbh, and all sides have been guilty of this. The US will never elect a female president, let alone a female president of color. It’s bizarre.
maybe it’s just because that’s the more memorable/unique parts of their name?
trump/biden is much more distinctive than donald/joe
clinton could refer to both bill or hillary
obama/kamala is more memorable than barack/harris (though maybe for obama that’s just because I’ve heard ‘obama’ so many times)I’m not saying that’s definitely not true, just that there might be other reasons why
I suppose I could give it to you for Hillary Clinton because it could have been confusing wrt Bill. But with Harris, I’m not buying it. Both “Barack” and “Obama” are equally distinct to me. We have never had a president Harris before, so it’s plenty distinct enough. It’s not as though presidential candidates always have wildly distinct and uncommon names.
People did it with Obama too, he was “Barack” to some.
The US is a much more chauvinistic nation than many but it’s also by far and away the most violent nation in the industrialized world. The two are definitely linked.
If Biden hadn’t insisted on running despite his declining mental state, she wouldn’t have won a primary, not very likely anyway. She is uninspiring and she carries the baggage of the struggling/non-existent middle class, housing market, 12 million border crossings etc.
The honest truth is that the Harris/Walz campaign did not motivate their voter base. People were talking about doing fucking vote swaps with people in swing states because they didn’t want to vote for Harris.
I have no idea what the fuck the whole “courting the right” angle was, but it failed. Maybe it was the stance on Gaza, maybe it was the stance on immigration, maybe it was just feeling spurned by the party for caring about alot of issues like trans rights Harris left to the wayside while campaigning, but it didn’t motivate people to cut through the bullshit and go to the polls.
Meanwhile, Trump stayed in the news 24/7, constantly doubling down on his rhetoric, and his voters mostly all turned out again.
I’m not just worried, I am frightened and have nowhere to turn.
It’s OK, you’re not alone in that fear.
I voted against him. Was my vote illegal? Am I going to jail?
You can come to Germany! We might have 1 - 5 years left till everything goes down the drain.
Unless someone finds a cure for the Axiopathie, that plagues our Government.
Started learning German for fun, now it seems like a good plan B.
As if the world hasn’t collectively had its head up it’s ass recently…
0 empathy for americans. You deserve what you get for either not voting or voting the baffoon. Even dems deserve it for stupidly changing the candidate and AGAIN acting like they already won everywhere which makes people think “oh then I dont have to vote”
you all need to learn to distinguish between the people/the government/the country
My desperation is not foremost about sympathy for the US, but for the consequences for international politics.
This is certainly an enormous turning point for America, but it’s also a very dark day for the outlook of the future of… well basically everything.The continuation of our species on this earth are facing problems that are more complex than can be put into a slogan or a headline, and both Trump and his voters are to dumb to understand such matters. And that’s not said in hate or anger, it’s just an observable, testable fact that they’re literally unintelligent.
Yeah its terrible for everyone else. Especially Ukrainians, Taiwanese and Palestinians. Though the last group I feel less empathy for now since they called for not voting either so they are as responsible as Trump supporters.
i dont think swapping biden out was a bad move. i think it could have been someone better though
How about all of us who aren’t members of either party and just tried to stop Trump from getting into office? Zero sympathy for us too? Because I had nothing to do with any candidate that the Democrats chose. I just voted for Harris to stop Trump. And failed. But how is it my fault?
I voted but I will still have to endure four more years of stupid self serving idiot.
I’m most afraid of all the hangers on plotting how best to expand their agenda. At least his first term had the incompetence to prevent some of his worst ideas but that may not be true this time.
My biggest fear is for the environment. Only the EPA and California are allowed to set environmental standards and the rest of us can only pick which to follow. Hopefully my state politicians will remain steadfast, but I have no way of supporting California when they come for the environment. If California can hold and the dozen or so that follow that remain true, maybe there’s still a hope for the environment my kids will live in
Unfortunately my country loves to copy America in everything they do so we will be walking off the cliff soon too
I am fucking gutted, I am so sad and angry and I don’t know what to do. I am overall a happy and positive person and believe in humanity but this win feels like it’s stripping me of a piece of that and I hate that! I hate that I feel so much hate right now, it’s exactly what I preach against, yet here I am. I can’t believe this is happening
That’s how I felt here in the UK when I woke up to see the majority voted for Brexit. Before that I thought people can’t be that dumb. Apparently they can.
I m an atheist but I pray for you , it will be only 4 years , hope you stay safe.
Thank you, I really appreciate that. I’m essentially an atheist too (I don’t even give it a label for myself because god and religion are just not a part of my life, and I don’t need them to be). And yet somehow I feel I have exponentially more compassion and value of morality than a large swath of these people voting in a monster, acting under the guise of being “good Christians”. Maybe I’m delusional, maybe I’m the one missing something, I don’t know. I still believe in humanity, but man I’m just sad right now. Anywho, I’ll take all the prayers and positive energy for everyone that I can get right now, so thank you
I feel as you. I wanted to believe we’re better than this.
Ikr… I don’t even own a car, I walk to work, take the MRT everywhere etc. and the Americans are electing a president who says “Drill baby, drill”. I’m not an American, but it will affect us all… I live in Taiwan now and I’m fucking afraid of what his presidency will do to the geopolitical balance with China.
While I have no idea how to handle China’s ever bigger presence on the world stage, I know the spiteful antagonism is not it.
There’s no such thing as an undecided voter.
They’ve either decided, or decided to do something bad and don’t want you to judge them.
Shouldn’t have supported the genocide of Palestinians, huh?
You’re sitting in a throne made of shit, and you’re feeling right at home.
If you honestly believe the situation in Palestine will be better with the Cheeto in charge of the US, then you are insane.
The US is a deeply flawed democracy, and like it or not, any choice other than voting for the Democrats, including abstaining is a vote for the Cheeto.
But you are a .ml user, so you are either trolling or a useful idiot.
Oh look, the very-serious Cheetoh dialog has arrived.
Focus on self-reflection and redeeming yourself for accepting genocide. Go do some work in your community and for humanity.
I said this before, and I’ll say it again, since both parties in the election (don’t try and claim that the greens have any hope of winning, they only serve to split the Democrat vote) seem disinterested in the horrific situation in Palestine, you pick the least bad candidate.
If you don’t, you get the worst candidate for everyone.
I am not American, but if I were, I’d pick Harris no question.
Since you are supporting Trump, tell me, how does is feel supporting a sexist, racist, convicted felon who also supports genocide?
Remember that in the US idiotic election system, any vote other than the Dems is a vote for the Reps, and any vote for the Reps is a vote for a worse society.
I said this before, and I’ll say it again, since both parties in the election (don’t try and claim that the greens have any hope of winning, they only serve to split the Democrat vote) seem disinterested in the horrific situation in Palestine, you pick the least bad candidate.
And I’ve said this before: don’t both-sides a genocide. Never again means never again for anyone.
If you won’t listen to basic moralism, listen to your resounding strategic loss.
Oh man, if you think it was bad under Biden…
It will be the same but liberals will be less asleep during atrocities.
Lol k. I bet things get better for everyone now, huh?
If you decide to be part of the right side of history, it will help that, yes. Are you going to?
What is the right side of history, dipshit? Letting Trump annihilate the rest of the Palestinians to prove a point of having some semblance of hope that someone else might do better?
Go fuck yourself.
Oh, man. If you were happy with the genocide under Biden…
Geez if you wanna get blocked so bad just say so.
I guess we’ll get to find out if there is such a thing as “worse genocide”
Not in terms of American support, you won’t. Biden is already the maximum.
We’ll see.
Don’t you worry now, Trump will make sure that the suffering of the Palestinian people will end quickly
It’s no fantasy, you are just in denial.
Ðı’ṙ totėlı ſėm ƿuıt kid hu’z nevṙ livd ð difrinſ.
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They’re totally aome white kid who’s never lived the difference.
They’re still gonna die under trump though, i don’t get your point
Haha, yeah that’ll show em!
Now instead of having a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians you’ll have… checks notes … a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians. Wait there’s more here… doesn’t believe in climate change, a guy who actively wants to prove that vaccines don’t work actually in charge of health related shit, enabling the genocide of Ukraine (hey a whole new genocide!), pulling out of alliances or and what’s this last fun one, threatening the already flawed foundations of US democracy by, among other things, threatening to deploy the military against political opponents.
Is that was winning and being morally superior looks like? Because it looks pretty awful from here.
Now instead of having a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians you’ll have… checks notes … a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians.
Yeah maybe you should have demanded better instead of tolerating genocide. Your camp lost. I know I didn’t tolerate it.
Oh, I wish I could. The moral high ground means doesn’t buy anyone their rights or life back unfortunately, so you got a pretty bad deal there.
Why did you ignore all the other points? I’d love to hear someone accept what Trump has done and will do. If Trump pulls out of Ukraine and allows another genocide, what will be your argument then? “Never again”? Or are you just trolling?
I wouldn’t even bother replying to comments from hexbear mk II. I just automatically assume troll.
I’m not American so not sure exactly who my camp is or what I was supposed to do. Enjoy your measles and smallpox, hope it was a good trade in exchange for making zero difference to Palestinians in the best case.
No this only proves the misogyny ingrained in the US. We will never allow a woman to be president.
Honestly I’m wondering if that’s why the margin Trump is winning is so “huge”. The US will never vote for a woman president. Both times Trump has gone up against a woman, he’s won. But against a man, he lost.
When CNN interviewed a black man at a previously Biden stronghold in Georgia, he said “women are emotional” and “I don’t think they make great leaders”
The men who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump because they were afraid of a women being in a position of power.
You’re right
Absolutely. This country is way more misogynistic and racist than I realized
Ð elektoret inkaṙneıcėn v “Moṙ ƿorıd ėbaut n bııŋ kald ė bigit ðæn n bııŋ ė bigit.”
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The electorate incarnation of “More worried about not being called a biggot than not being a biggot.”
This proves that you need to at least pander to the left to win, i.e. the only consistently anti-genocide group in the country. Maybe you should join them instead of tolerating genocide.
can you actually shut the fuck up right now. women and minorities have there lives on the line and all y’all can talk about is this. if kamala wins we can protest her stance. if trump wins and we protest his stance he’s already said he’ll deploy the national guard. y’all are so smug about ruining your chances of helping these people
Maybe you shouldn’t have supported genocide.
Never again means never again for anyone. Remember what you sold your soul for and try to redeem it.
Trump is gonna triple-down on the Palestinian genocide and pull all support from Ukraine and probably pull out of NATO to let Putin do whatever he wants to Europe.
He’s also promised violence against Americans who oppose him.
You’re replying to a lemmy.ml user, they almost certainly think pulling out of NATO and allowing Putin to continue his genocide in Ukraine is a good thing.
The Biden-Harris regime already tripled down on the genocide as much as is possible.
Re: Ukraine, forcing a diplomatic resolution is by far the best option for the Ukrainian people and any realistic person’s expectations of outcomes. Let’s hope they are no longer the pawns of American maximalist foreign policy.
Re: NATO, the best possible timeline is one where it ends as soon as possible.
Re: violence against Americans guess what we’re already there if you do anything worthwhile politically.
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Straight up fantasising death of innocents because your candidate lost. Obama, biden all of these guys were saints that maintained peace and never hurt any innocents.
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What’s a tankie? I’m no American either. I just dislike the “lesser evil” is better narrative in lemmy. It’s not any better. I know trump may make it worse? But what does worse mean? White phosphorus is not worse? Killing peace keepers and journalists not worse? Maybe shooting kids point blank in the head is not worse. Define worse please.
It doesn’t matter what you stand for but your comment clearly reflects that you want it to happen, just to prove your point. Go to hell.
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How do you know they support genocide?
Because of the tenor of their comment clearly shows a tolerance for it via an investment in a genocide candidate.
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Nobody’s “souls” matter anymore. The world is completely fucked and our physical bodies are going to be going through the ringer very soon. I hope you’re on the right side of the people who can now do whatever they want with absolutely no guardrails. Otherwise you’re about to REALLY experience solidarity.
You should be against genocide and act accordingly. Let tonight teach you that lesson.
I’ve learned no lesson. I secured a permanent residency abroad the first time this chucklefuck was in office, and I’ve already bought my plane ticket out. I feel so, so awful for people who voted reasonably and are stuck there, and I encourage everyone who can to get out now, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let the self-righteous attitudes of people with no sense try to punish me for exercising logic.
Is trump going to do anything different though?
Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
If the above is true, I don’t know why anyone would bring his up. It’s like choosing between two seats on a bus. One has broken glass on it, the other has broken glass and is on fire.
Is trump going to do anything different though?
Given that the policy is already maximalist, he cannot do worse. This is what liberals have tolerated for over a year.
If the above is true, I don’t know why anyone would bring his up. It’s like choosing between two seats on a bus. One has broken glass on it, the other has broken glass and is on fire.
They are both on fire, but one is honest about it. Maybe you will actually oppose genocide now that the orange man will be in charge.
If you think selling weapons is a maximalist policy, you are very naive.
If you think that’s all the US does, you are very naive.
I’m not sure you understood. The fire is all of the other nonsense policies that trump comes up with, and that his party is likely to impose.
If Trump wins because enough of you idiots couldn’t hold your nose and vote then the blood of those Palestinians is on your hands. You don’t get to absolve yourself because you chose not to participate in democracy.
You aren’t opposed to genocide because you couldn’t be assed to do the smallest thing to mitigate it.
Neither did you. Lol. Kamala was never gonna change her stance.
If Trump wins because enough of you idiots couldn’t hold your nose and vote then the blood of those Palestinians is on your hands.
Or maybe you shouldn’t have thrown yourself in the pro-genocide Genocide Joe Lite camp.
You don’t get to absolve yourself because you chose not to participate in democracy.
lmao what democracy? Did you choose Harris? What primary did she win?
You aren’t opposed to genocide because you couldn’t be assed to do the smallest thing to mitigate it.
By doing what, voting for someone complicit in the Biden-Harris regime’s genocide? You are so flipped around.
Never again means never again for anyone. Get it through your skull.
I’m not going to play chess with a pigeon but one day you’ll have your first moment of introspection and I hope it results in your realisation that while not complicit in the “Biden-Harris Genocide” you are absolutely 100% complicit in each and every consequence of a Trump-Vance administration which includes the genocide of Palestine.
@lemmy.ml was all I needed to know.
Bit of a tangent, but this pains me every time I read this in threads.
I wanted to join Lemmy after the Reddit exodus, found out that ml was “the main one” made by the devs and joined it. Last time I carefully tried to pick an instance was Mastodon, and I hardly ever found any content. Decided to check back in the other day, and every account except for the admin’s (like less than 50) was removed for inactivity.
I’m not some far-right or Russian troll, but because most of them are on that instance everyone on it gets this reputation.
Signed, European who’s afraid that the far-right movement on his continent will turn into an ultra-far-right turbo-movement now
If your “gotcha” is that your enemies are against genocide you should do some introspection
If you are a little pink and you now it say:
The Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 happend.
No offense but you’re a fucking idiot if you think Trump would do any better
Trump: “I stopped the genocide.”
Us: “You made the genocide worse!”
Trump: “Worse? Or better?”
/Invader Zim Reference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDIgS-Soo9Q
If you like winning you should try not embracing genocide
If your “gotcha” is you prefer the genocide to get worse to “teach people a lesson”, you need to do some introspection as well.
Nah my “gotcha” is already stated: you shouldn’t accept genocide. Shame on you for doing so.
If it’s any consolation you and everyone else are likely to get a firsthand lesson in it in the near future.
Now EVERYONE is fucked. Congrats!
Rather than wishing ill upon others, try to be less accepting of genocide.
You now what would be total bodacious of you? If you could say:
The Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 happend.
N ƿicıŋ, nœıŋ it ƿil kėm t pæſ i paṙt bikȯz v wėt Y’v dėn t U̇ A.
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Not wishing, knowing it will come to pass in part because of what you’ve done to us all.
Y hæv pleıd ė rol tėdeı, i ð suınıŋ v Pælistuın’z deþ worint. Kėŋgrætculeıcėnz, muı kin wil rimembṙ wėt Y’v dėn t U̇ f ð seık v Yuzıŋ auṙ ded f Yr ſinikėl ėbændėnment v Yr poſt difendıŋ ėgenſt auṙ greıtiſt enimız.
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You have played a role today, in the signing of Palestine’s death warrant. Congratulations, my kin will remember what you’ve done to us for the sake of using our dead for your cynical abandonment of your post defending against our greatest enemies.
Nah bro. That is not what you said. You are not against genocide. You support it with a troll face.
It is kinda what I said though, isn’t it?
No, I heard your gotcha. But the reality is standing to the side telling people “I told you so” is just sticking your head in the sand. You are enabling a worse genocide just for the sake of moral masturbation.
You might as well tell the people feeding the homeless they are “accepting homelessness” as well. Amounts to the same bullshit logic.
But when Trump enables a full scale genocide, you can pay yourself on the back and say “I had nothing to do with that”.
There is no worse genocide. It’s already supported to the hilt. You just support it.
Probably shouldn’t have done that, huh?
Go ahead and try to redeem your soul and see you can become a benefit to society instead.
I hope that sense of moral superiority helps you sleep at night. I hope that you are right, and that the Palestinian people won’t face a worse wrath because of your folly. And I truly hope that the road to hell isn’t paved with your good intentions. Because the way I see it, letting Trump win may well be the bell tolling on humanity, and those who stood to the side and didn’t help will have all that blood on their hands.
Thanks for the concern for my soul, but I would gladly damn it to prevent the problems we are about to face. Maybe when it gets bad, you will be willing to get yours dirty to help for a change.
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Seriously? Fuck you. This supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly. No one wants what is happening in Gaza. But, I have to say the potential genocide (in the complete erasure of culture as well as open murders with little to no consequences sense) here is even higher.
I have the unfortunate circumstance of being a trans woman in GA. I already have had to completely shut off most contact with people, both work and personal.
I’ve already had rocks thrown at me in an attempt to kill me (this was years ago, even). I already feel like I have to carry a gun. If things go the way they seem, I will even have to order in groceries because it will further empower the people that hate my existence.
The foreign policy is shit, no question. However, I don’t like the possibility of being raped and murdered by some asshole that thinks he understands Co² emissions after watching some video.
I have a lot to say here, especially as a very blue collar machinist. I will refrain, though.
In conclusion: by “avoiding” the genocide in Gaza (which may have been resolved), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.
Please say:
The Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 happend.
