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The people are fools and leaders are cunts.
There is a lot about this that is nuts, but one thing that really jumps out at me.
It seems like Netanyahu is planning an October surprise to shank Harris. And it seems like he is doing it in broad daylight. It certainly seems like a massive offensive strike on Iran one or two weeks before the election is a straightforward way to throw a close election to Trump.
But with this I have to ask: are Biden and Harris assisting with a plan that is clearly intended to cost Harris the election?
I want to say that they surely must’ve told Israel not to launch anything before election day. But based in their actions so far, it doesn’t seem like they’re imposing a “no election interference against us personally” requirement as a condition of their assistance.
I guess we’ll see.
Their messaging so far to Israel has been “do whatever the fuck you want, 💰💰”
“You give me money, I give you weapons of war. You give me money, I ignore the screams of children.”
[the sound of children screaming has been removed]
Oof. Horrific.
I would much rather see a Harris administration handle this than chaos Trump.
She most likely was in the room when Biden authorized the troops you know. She is very much on the same page as Biden on this.
Sucks you guys don’t have any other option.
You have no way of knowing that.
Didn’t she just say the other week there’s nothing she wouldn’t do differently from Biden?
Which to this point has been attempts at a cease fire and offshore missile defense help. Putting troops under Iranian missiles is a massive departure from the past year.
No, up to this point it has been billions of dollars and weapons to Israel with the occasional finger wag to them. Troops on the ground is the natural next step of his policy up to now, and congruent with Kamala’s statements that “Iran is the number one enemy”.
Absolutely not. She has never endorsed that.
You should check out her speeches and interviews sometime.
She did say she supports Bidens stance on Israel and that israel has the right to
murder innocent childrenprotect itself.To be fair I think most people think it (and other countries) should be able to defend itself… it’s just that they went from defense to all out genocide like a year ago.
The current party doesn’t know where that line is while the other party wants them to “finish the job”.
The president is supposed to be smarter than “most people” not more genocidal.
There was never any “defense” in zionism. It’s always been theft, apartheid, and genocide.
Lastly the vast majority of countries at the UN are strongly opposed to this aggression and they have repeatedly passed resolutions that the zionists should reverse their nonstop aggression.
Trump would tell Netanyahu to nuke the place and he’d fucking do it. It would be a catastrophe the likes of which we haven’t seen since WWII.
This is a weird thing to say, but I actually don’t think that there’s any indication that Harris or Trump would do anything substantially different with regard to Israel, but the biggest change is that if Trump wins, I suspect that coverage of this will disappear behind all the coverage of his domestic chaos. At least if Harris is president I think there is a chance we see the press maintain a modicrum of interest in covering this.
Either way, words can’t describe my anger that Harris appears to be prepared to throw the election over her support for genocide. It is an unreal situation to watch.
There is a lot a gray out there.
Its also weird that Trump rallies are full of Nazi flags but Israel still sends them similar bribes anyway.
Zionism is an anti-semitic ideology. It was concocted by atheist colonizers, not religious leaders. The goals are colonial, not religious. Most importantly zios commit these crimes while claiming to be the only true jews. This is extremely anti-semitic.
So it’s no surprise that they’ve collaborated with literal nazis before WW2. And it’s no surprise that they continue to collaborate with racists and fascists all over the planet. In the usa the vast majority of zionists are christians that are generally very anti-semitic. They want jews to take over palestine so doomsday will come and kill the jews! These are the allies of zionism smh.
Zionism is an anti-semitic ideology.
A significant number of jews across the globe say otherwise. The very foundation of your argument is self serving propoganda. And I didnt read past that.
Trump in charge tends to highlight problems not burry them. Like how immigration and the border camps were a huge story, then Biden got elected, kept all the same staff and same facilities and suddenly the border camps weren’t a problem and we went further rightward on immigration. People stop paying attention when Democrats win, that’s how they burry stories, and that’s why the media loves Trump, because hes the one who generates the clicks and engagement they track.
Fuckface 45 literally said that Israel should “finish the job”:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240628-trump-let-israel-finish-the-job-in-gaza/
I’m not voting for that Fuckface. Neither should any intelligent person.
So the one says it out loud, the other just keeps the intention quiet.
Both are equally sending weapons.
However with Trump we saw that he pulled American soldiers out of the region and he is much more unstable. So when American soldiers die, he could just decide to fold the whole thing again.
So when American soldiers die, he could just decide to fold the whole thing again.
That would require him to give a shit about the soldiers dying to make a change. His history says the exact opposite of that. Soldiers dying would do absolutely nothing towards whether he changes anything.
Trump pulled most troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Sure he doesnt care about the soldiers life, but he isnt committed to being a war hawk. He just does random stuff.
The troop withdrawal was already being worked before Trump even started campaigning. He just decided to speed it up dramatically so he could say he achieved something, and promised a deadline that was unattainable while doing it well. It’s not random, it’s narcissism at the expense of everything else, including the country.
No intelligent person should vote for a party supporting a genocide either. Israel government is finishing the job already.
Ok. But either Harris or Trump WILL be our next president with how fucked up our election system is.
Who would you rather fight on this? A run of the mill democrat, or a literal nazi? We’re choosing our opponent, it’s the only choice we get.
Don’t support any of them and use your energies somewhere else, you said yourself that the system is fucked up
Okay black pill bro. When you grow up and understand how things actually work, let us know.
Maybe those of us who are actively trying (while also understanding how our choices work) will acquire Ranked Choice voting before you become mature enough to join in on this non-black-or-white conversation.
Sure. And then trump wins and i completely lose my reproductive rights and my trans wife loses her healthcare.
There’s more at stake here.
It’ll disappear by him shutting down all news organizations and outlawing any dissenting opinions. He’s straight up said it. There is no functional difference on this issues between them. It’s the ancillary consequences trump will impose on everyone that is why he should be fired into the sun as an example.
This is one of those times we should remind ourselves that if we as Redditors can plainly see something so out in the open and obvious, then almost certainly the executive branch can see it too. The odds of them knowing something we don’t know are overwhelmingly greater than the reverse.
I see this often, and it’s frequently, consistently not the case.
I understand the sense in this belief, but if you review history over just the last five years you can consistently see this not being true over and over. Going all the way back to the Iraq War: it was obvious at the time that the Bush administration was lying about their claimed evidence that there was an active program creating weapons of mass destruction. And at the time, there was a deafening movement of regular voters who loudly protested that we were absolutely convinced that it was complete and obvious bullshit.
And people like JOE BIDEN loudly expressed exactly what you’re saying: they know things we don’t know. They know what they’re doing.
And they didn’t! They did not have any meaningful information we didn’t have!
Sadly, it’s debatable whether they knew what they were doing. Did they expect it would be such a historic clusterfuck? That it would create decades of worsening outcomes for us? Probably not. But did they know they were making up a fake case for war because they wanted to let off some anger over 9/11 by killing hundreds and hundreds of THOUSANDS uninvolved Muslims, and build some new military bases near oil in the process? Yes. Obviously yes.
And after the fact, the people who claimed that they knew things that we didn’t became president and Secretary of State.
They do not know something we don’t know. They are doing exactly what this looks like. Biden would absolutely go to war with Iran just to serve the cause of Zionism even though he knows that Benjamin Netanyahu is a fascist. That is exactly what this is. There’s not chess logic behind this, you can absolutely know everything you need to if you read newspapers regularly.
The WMD were always a false pretext.
And anyway, you can’t cherry pick any one episode or even several from history where the heads of state were wrong or stupid and say that they don’t know more than we do. They literally have everything we have in the public media and enormous intelligence operations working for them. This doesn’t make them honest or infallible, but anyone who sits in their armchair tut tutting about how “gee I hope this president can see it’s an obvious trap” is, in a word, a fool.
I think you’re arguing a strawman version of my point. I’m not claiming that it’s impossible for them to know something we don’t. I’m just saying that the assumption that there is secret information that makes his actions sensible is not well founded.
There are numerous examples of leaders claiming expertise that wasn’t borne out. And if this were the case, I think it would be reasonable to expect them to at least claim this to be the case.
As it stands, this behavior can be fully explained with the information available to us and Biden’s foreign policy stance. So there is no reason when you see him doing something that can be easily explained by the observation that he has poor judgement and priorities that are wildly different than most Americans to believe that there is a reason outside of the public facts and our existing knowledge of his poor judgement and unpopular priorities.
Nobody snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like a Democrat.
if they money you get from AIPAC is more than the money you get as US presidency and without the headache of being president, I wounder if Kamala care enough to be a president.
Perhaps if he does that, then Joe and Harris will be forced to materially change their tune and take some real action in an attempt to save the elction.
It feels like they are totally beholden to Israel.
If they push back hard, they alienate swing voters who like Israel from the old days, aka apocalypse.
A majority of Americans are against the action in Gaza. It is a popular opinion not to support it, unless you’re a major donor.
A majority of those who actually turn out to vote are pro Israel (and no, people under 35 don’t vote in other countries where they have more options, so cut the “they don’t vote because of the support for Israel” bullshit, they don’t vote because they’re young and don’t care)
Okay, well the Harris campaign can continue claiming that the reason she’s down in the polls in Michigan has nothing to do with Gaza.
So in the last few weeks, Biden can pull support as much as possible basically giving Bibi the finger. Any funding that dries up is unlikely to have more of an effect than pulling support. This helps Harris win. Then she can re-woo them over the next 4 years.
This is actually a persistent myth: there is no evidence that they are beholden to a constituency that would punish them for any actions that curtail Israel.
Israel’s actions are wildly unpopular across the electorate. They are unpopular with nearly all Democrats as well as most independents and a very large plurally of Republicans. I have seen numerous polls that show that there is a very significant number of voters that Harris is losing over this, and I have seen absolutely nothing to indicate that there is any measurable cost to her speaking out against Israel at all. Which is really sad. Because it means that this is absolutely a moral choice on her part. This is not an electoral choice at all.
I am not religious so I don’t know the details but I have a friend who is very religious and refuses to vote for Trump again. He hates Harris but won’t give me a reason. When I have brought up the Israel stuff he immediately jumps to a very, holy land, must support and defend at any cost mentality. He would never vote Democrat but it makes me wonder how pervasive this weird fairy tale attachment exists throughout the voting base.
That’s a good question. Is your friend an evangelical Christian? A lot of people don’t know this, but the actual biggest plurality of political Zionists in the US are not Jews, but Evangelical Christians who support Israel because they believe it is a chess piece in bringing about the end of the world (which is a good thing in their dogma).
They also happen to often like the idea of ethnofascism, which is a very sad state of affairs.
He is evangelical Christian yes. I don’t have much exposure to religion. I have gone to his church a couple times when he has asked me to in the decade or so we’ve been friends. I’m in my forties. I’ve never felt pressured but I also keep my religion or lack of to myself. I just never really understood the position on Israel and it really stuck out to me. Even though he will freely admit how crazy and hateful things are out of the MAGA crowd, I get the feeling anytime the topic gets close to coming up with me he fends it off by essentially communicating to me that he has unwavering and unquestioned support of Israel and I haven’t been willing to push it since he is otherwise a great person in my life that has helped me through a number of difficulties.
That’s a shame. For what it’s worth, his position isn’t a mystery to me. I believe that he’s been convinced by his church that unquestioningly supporting Israel’s expansionary goals, regardless of any other moral question is an absolute necessity for anyone who truly loves Jesus and believes strongly in his rebirth and in the promise of everlasting life in heaven.
It is – with all due respect – as crazy as anything you’d hear in a Texas cult bunker. But I’m guessing that it’s real as a wildfire to your friend. It makes me sad to think about.
I appreciate the insight and time you have taken to respond. Also your understanding. I have a really difficult time processing the situation. It does feel very cult like and matter of fact. I don’t understand how someone that seems so good can know something so bad is going on, who is so obviously able to recognize the bad in other related areas, and blindly vehemently support them unquestionably. He’s intelligent and successful…yet so lost, the most caring and compassionate person I know; it can’t be ok.
If Harris is in on a plan to strike Iran it wouldn’t cost her the election in the US. All they have to do is say, “We received credible intelligence that Iran had decided to sprint for a nuclear warhead. We had to act in a timely manner.”
What would cost her the election is if an American soldier dies to an Iranian missile and Biden/Harris doesn’t immediately go hard on Iran. Which makes this a ridiculously irresponsible move by Biden.
It seems like Netanyahu is planning an October surprise to shank Harris. And it seems like he is doing it in broad daylight. It certainly seems like a massive offensive strike on Iran one or two weeks before the election is a straightforward way to throw a close election to Trump.
Do you realize that israel government is waging war only because they are backed by USA?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
I’m not sure what your point is.
I understand that this is in a real sense the US’s war, and that Biden is not being dragged into it, he’s fully committed to it. I’m not sure what that changes about my observation that it’s weird that Harris appears to be facilitating an electoral hit job on herself.
The insanity is not that it is Republicans or Democrats
The insane part is that America is just sleep walking straight into a war that will probably escalate into something much bigger and no one wants to do anything about it.
God help us all
Make me homelander and I’d shut this shit down in a heartbeat. Until such time best I got is a pencil check in a box on paper.
you can still john wick with that tho
Maybe you can.
All the money I’d earmarked for kung fu lessons and a collection of random lethal weapons wound up going into pet care and hobbies. Besides, I definitely don’t have plot armor. I’d get popped by some junior security mail cop. They probably wouldn’t even have to shoot me. They’d run me over with their Segway, I’d fall, crack my head open, and they’d put a little skull and crossbones sticker on their scooter, like a WWII fighter pilot.
“Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to fuck everything up”. --Barrack Obama
I know this is a dumb question, but is that based on anything? Like a paraphrase of something? Or just headcanon?
I think it was during this series of events: https://theintercept.com/2023/05/23/biden-debt-ceiling-harry-reid-mitch-mcconnell/
Wow. Thanks for sharing that.
As every other time the billions the government spend in propaganda are paying off.
It wouldnt even need to be much of a shanking for her to lose. A simple paper cut might be enough.
Well time to find out if Iran has a nuke and if we get to solve climate change by inducing a nuclear winter(yes I know nuclear winter isn’t real).
yes I know nuclear winter isn’t real
That’s not a consensus view.
According to a peer-reviewed study published in the journal Nature Food in August 2022, a full-scale nuclear war between the United States and Russia, which together hold more than 90% of the world’s nuclear weapons, would kill 360 million people directly and more than 5 billion indirectly by starvation during a nuclear winter.
Another paper published that year, from the Tohoku University Earth science scholar Kunio Kaiho, compared the impact of nuclear winter scenarios on marine and terrestrial animal life with that of historical extinction events. Kaiho estimated that a minor nuclear war (which he defined as a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan or an event of equivalent magnitude) would cause extinctions of 10–20% of species on its own, while a major nuclear war (defined as a nuclear exchange between United States and Russia) would cause the extinctions of 40–50% of animal species…
There isn’t currently a scientific consensus, as wikipedia should be pointing out, with studies differing massively depending mostly on what model of soil uptake and preservation in atmosphere is used.
We know that the majority of in air debris would not come from the explosion, which is designed to minimize fallout in all modern weapons and deployment models, but from the resulting fires. We also know from previous tests the resulting fires don’t actually last long as they tend to burn through areas quickly.
In short it’s not a sure thing, and if any cooling effect does occur it wouldn’t start to touch the average heating we’ve introduced through climate change.
That long Wikipedia article conveys quite well how there isn’t consensus. We don’t know how bad it would be, because our various best models give different results. But to say it’s not a sure thing is different from saying “nuclear winter isn’t real,” which suggests a consensus that it won’t happen.
Now why exactly are we doing that?
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The second paragraph of the article provides their explanation.
Yeah, the “explanation” is so dumb and misleading that it’s not worth quoting. Just say that it exists. That’s good enough for the imperial core.
“the Israelis are clearly planning something for Iran that is going to cause a retaliation they know their own systems are unable to take.”
This has me very worried. What the heck are they planning that the US would send its troops to operate a THAAD? What are they going to do that would cause that severe of a response from Iranian forces?
“Nothing in current law authorizes the United States to conduct offensive military action against Iran.”
Alas, that’s technically wrong, because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_of_2001#Efforts_for_repeal
The 2001 AUMF has been widely perceived as a bill that grants the President powers to unilaterally wage perpetual “worldwide wars”
Vance is right about one thing - the 2001 AUMF has got to be repealed.
If you only had scrolled down just a little bit:
Sounds like someone is trying to immanentize the eschaton.
Oh come on, the header is a clickbait. There is a US military base in Israel already, it’s been there for years. The article is about an announcement that they are sending another missile defense battery with personnel alongside
Oh thank you
I’d like to refer you to my reply to a similar comment: https://slrpnk.net/post/14228501/11555288
Yeah, I see someone already told you that American soldiers have been there already, long ago this new deployment. But they didn’t bother to prove it to you, and you didn’t believe them.
Well, let me Google it for you. Very quick search reveals this article from 2017:
https://apnews.com/general-news-2ccf317f293d4be59b92cec5554c3db4
Back then it was “dozens of soldiers”, nothing close to thousands another person claimed, though. But I think it’s safe to assume the numbers grew since then.
There are 100 more US soldiers deployed, aren’t there? I’m not a US citizen, but I still wonder why more troops are needed to help Israel in an war of aggression that violates international law.
Lol,maybe because Hezbollah rockets are getting launched and we’d like to shoot them down before US personnel are killed potentially escalating this even further?
Maybe we should get the US personnel out instead of sending more, then.
You’re both right. We want to protect our servicemen there from Hezzbollah rockets and they shouldn’t be there in the first place.
Who is “we”?
Maybe I’d have some sympathy for you if y’all stop with the genocide, terrorism, ethnic cleansing, land theft, invasions, etc.
Its clear they don’t care about american lives. Civilian ones that is.
Let the rockets rain down and stop this madness before the fascist state of Israel kills us all.
Do Americans really believe they’ll be able to get their pet monster under control once they genocide the entire Middle East?
“Greater Israel” is just going to keep expanding unless they’re stopped now. Do you think Nazi Germany would just say “ok we have enough land for the master race / chosen people let’s stop now”.
Do you really think America will have any power once it gets to that point?
The world let Zionists get away with the Nakba at the time because of the Holocaust, but now the Zionists and the United States are the ones doing a Holocaust.
Israel is a failure of humanity and an affront to Jewish people everywhere, hijacking the religion in order to build a white supremacist, genocidal, settler-colonial apartheid ethnostate with a Star of David slapped on it.
Israel must now be dismantled, land back to the Palestinians, the architects of this Holocaust brought to justice, and the people deprogrammed out of their genocidal cult.
Do Americans really believe they’ll be able to get their pet monster under control once they genocide the entire Middle East?
I don’t think any Americans who truly support this think further than the next quarter of Raytheon profits.
we’d like to shoot them down before US personnel are killed potentially escalating this even further?
So we’re sending more personal instead of getting them out of the situation? Gymnastics.
Gtfo. If you need to play wargames maybe send some more support to Ukraine instead.
Yeah, USA would rather participate in a genocide in palestine than prevent one in ukraine.
I’ve got an idea to prevent this from escelating further: Depose Netan-fucking-Yahu.
The UN and the US Citizens would praise it if anything. China and Russia would say shit about it but they also say shit about us doing nothing. We can literally only gain from destroying the Israel current administration.
Absolutely. However, there is no need to destroy anyone. It would be enough for the US to give up its unconditional support for the Netanyahu regime. Then Netanyahu would be voted out and would go to prison for corruption in his own country.
Ok but that does nothing to stop genocide, land theft, terrorism, invasions, etc.
It’s a joke to pretend like yahoo is the root problem.
I’m just trying to suggest a somewhat reasonable solution. I don’t think Israel could afford to keep this inhumane war going if they didn’t have the support of the US. Let us also not forget that it was radical right-wing Zionists who assassinated Yitzchak Rabin, the Israeli politician who first credibly promised peace in the region. What I want to say is this: Violence and hatred cannot be a solution - this only leads to more violence and more hatred, more misery and more suffering.
Yes it’s an anti-missle battery and a crew of 100 to operate it. Presumably this includes 7-day around the clock shift coverage so it sounds like a reasonable number for a large missle array.
Nothing to see here, y’all! \s
I feel so bad for the people being deployed and their families. These people are being positioned to be triggers for a war against Iran. They believe it will be easier to manufacture consent for that war if the administration (whichever one we have) can point to dead Americans. Sick shit.
There’s plenty of dead Americans already on both sides of this conflict. But somehow the brown ones don’t get mentioned.
We both know the only color that will matter here is green. The second an American soldier is killed by an Iranian missile Trump and the GOP will campaign on full war with Iran. I honestly don’t know what’s going on with Biden, this is ridiculously bad for any attempt to reduce tensions.
They should point to the Americans killed by Israel
Give me links so I can send them to my maga parents
They don’t care about kids dying in their own backyards. They definitely don’t give a shit about Americans abroad.
Manufacture consent? That’s gotta be the phrase for what’s been happening with media coverage about anything China related. The media really seems to be playing up the idea of a war with China so that the population would accept and support said war. We should not. I don’t really like China and they’ve even ruined my favorite videogame, but war is good for noone.
So, a couple weeks ago Biden was “feeling comfortable” with a ceasefire, but now it seems that he’s comfortable with escalating it by sending american troops. Very cool!
In an alternative timeline, Biden finally grows a pair, cancels this and other weapon shipments and the election ends with a landslide.
It’s right there Joe, it would be a bigger power move than him stepping down.
He needed 2 or 3 years to explore student loans. Maybe this is more complicated, so it will take infinitely longer.
In the alternate universe where that could happen, we wouldn’t have gotten anywhere close to the Israel situation, or a string of conservative Democrats in office.
Our best hope is to pull a multiverse switcheroo and swap our Biden (and our Harris) with doppelgangers from the universe where the Democrats are the party of the left.
Biden is trying really hard to lose the election for the democrats.
What blackmail does Netanyahu have on the guy? This is such a bad move.
What blackmail does Netanyahu have on the guy?
Good thing Harris was not an associate?
Well, the FBI have a collection of CDs and hard drives with labels like [name] + young [name] so they know about the kompramat.
I highly doubt Harris has a CD though.
It’s either court centrist Zionists or let Trump win. There’s no alternative.
It’s a numbers game. There are WAY more Jewish people in the US than there are Arabs (~7.5 vs 3.5 million, according to a quick Google search).
Strategically, those Jewish voters are also more likely to switch to a Republican vote than the Arabs, regardless. It would take 2 Arabs (or any other Democratic voter) sitting out to counter a single Democratic voter switching to a Republican vote.
Granted, none of this accounts for voter locations (because only the 7 swing states matter), voter enthusiasm, claims of national security, or (most importantly of all) ethics.
The only strategy here is AIPAC campaign donations.
All the rest of what you said is BS
What, specifically, did I say that you disagree with?
No one is supporting Israel because they are calculating Jewish population for votes, that’s ridiculous.
They support Israel because of aipac campaign donations. The only calculation is how much money is in their pocket. Nothing else matters, including the ongoing genocide.
People are downvoting you because they don’t like the outcome, not because they disagree with your argument.
Everything can be justified in this way.
“Adolf Hitler identified he needed to blame all problems on Jews. And systematically put them in concentration camps. This was a political move necessary to advance his career and appeal to voters.”
To be clear, at no point was I trying to justify any actions. My only goal was to explain the strategic path that would lead to it. And of course there are additional nuances, which I alluded to at the end.
Besides, a winning strategy is not an indicator of ethics.
Except a lot of Jewish voters are anti Netanyahu and want a ceasefire too
AIPAC disagrees with you.
Wait until after the election to see who really stands where.
AIPAC ≠ Jews
AIPAC = Zionists
Its an important distinction.
AIPAC = heavy influence on US politics, including elections.
Edit: replied to wrong person
It is importance but it’s unclear why you are mentioning it here.
Because they were responding to this comment by saying “AIPAC disagrees with you” implying that Jewish Voters = AIPAC.
Except a lot of Jewish voters are anti Netanyahu and want a ceasefire too
Not saying all Jewish voters = AIPAC. Some would, but not all.
I’m sating AIPAC has an oversized influence in US politics.
I agree. That was an additional detail that I did not cover, as I wanted to keep it relatively simple. I expect that the anti-Netanyahu Jewish voters are unlikely to switch to voting Trump, given that the latter is firmly and openly pro-genocide.
That’s a good point, but I don’t think it’s about Jewish voters at all. It’s about AIPAC.
And most major U.S. media outlets are highly biased toward Israel for some reason. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen the U.S. media this biased on an issue; I have to resort to small outlets like The Intercept or foreign media like Al Jazeera (which are biased in their own way), to stay informed. The only things comparable I can think of is the Iraq-WMD thing, and their perpetual bias against labor rights/for capital.
Not at the expense of democracy, at least I hope. There is no other option this year.
And this will be repeated every election year from here on out now that the DNC knows they can get away with it.
There are other avenues that can be taken in a democracy between now and the next election. Ranked choice voting would be great.
How would a trump win help the genocide happening in Gaza??
How would a trump win help the genocide happening in Gaza??
Is this the only thing any of you can say?
No remotely sane person is saying trump would be better. That doesn’t mean the DNC isn’t fucking us over a barrel. Sitting around parroting “Hur dur but trump worse” is just enabling them. After trump there will be someone else and the DNC will just keep following the overton window to the right because they just need to keep pointing out that the other guy is worse. Plus all their online enablers will just shut down any discussion by repeating “well you must love trump if you don’t like the DNC stepping on your balls. Yum yum tasty boot.”
Newsflash they will never give us RCV. RCV would take this new powerful tool of “but other guy worse” away from them and they are never going to sacrifice that power.
Ur dumb.
Genocidal cult, meet your daddy.
So hold on, no troops in Ukraine, because they’re not NATO, but troops in Israel no problem?
Or is it because US is scared shitless of Putin? Or is it because a lot of prople sympathise eith Putin?
Maybe there’s no profit in aiding Ukraine?
We want Israel to win and we want Ukraine to be an expensive quagmire for Russia.
It’ll be the reverse.
Extending Russia, Rand Corporation 2019
The United States could also become more vocal in its support for NATO membership for Ukraine… While NATO’s requirement for unanimity makes it unlikely that Ukraine could gain membership in the foreseeable future, Washington’s pushing this possibility could boost Ukrainian resolve while leading Russia to redouble its efforts to forestall such a development.
Expanding U.S. assistance to Ukraine, including lethal military assistance, would likely increase the costs to Russia, in both blood and treasure, of holding the Donbass region. More Russian aid to the separatists and an additional Russian troop presence would likely be required, leading to larger expenditures, equipment losses, and Russian casualties. The latter could become quite controversial at home, as it did when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3063/RAND_RR3063.pdf
Who is “we”?
I want Ukraine to win, for Lebanon to be an expensive quagmire for Israel, and for Russia to burn on principle.
We have a top secret base there, just like Korea and Vietnam early troops usually come in and break shit you can’t let go.
No it’s because Russia is preoccupied and we’re testing near peer weapons from 3+decades ago there with little to no risk to mainland usa. It’s morally wrong sure but it does at least make sense.
I mean sorta but not really, we’re selling most stuff at a loss. The benefit is really seeing how well our stuff works against the enemy or was designed to fight. Don’t get me wrong people are getting rich but that’s from buying more weapons to replace the ones we sold.
If Putin didn’t have the nuclear card in his pocket US boots would have been on the ground in Ukraine 2 years ago.
Doesn’t Iran have nuclear weapons as well?
Not that we know of, it’s possible they are getting there though.
Not currently
They literally tested one like a week ago.
You absorb disinfo like a sponge? Citations needed.
Its because Putin has nukes.
So does Iran
Afaik they, as a principle, do not have nukes but retain the capability to manufacture them. Probably a good one since having nukes makes them a target of America and not having nukes also makes them a target of America and others. Every soverign state looks at what president nobel peace prize did to Libya as a reminder of what happens to states that denuclearize.
Iran is not threatening the USA in any meaningful way.
On the other hand, USA is constantly invading the middle east, promoting genocide and terrorism, and literally trying to nuke Iran.
I agree. What does that have to do with Iran having nukes? I don’t consider having a deterrent to be an aggressive act on its own and its weird that that’s how you took it
Imagine dying not to protect US people or not even their interest.
Won’t be the first time.
100 troops is not enough to invade Iran, you silly armchair-general fucks commenting here.
So why did he send them? To help with tel aviv mcdonalds understaffing issue?
Anti missile and aircraft systems are obviously the #1 targets in any attack. And the Israelis gain much more by letting them get hit than by making sure those units are protected in any way. They might even secretly shoot at them themselves to speed things up. I would not want to be one of those THAAD operators.
Not the point.
What happens when Iran manages to kill an American soldier a week before the election?
No, but 100 dead troops is enough to grandstand about to get enough outrage to justify an all-out war in the region.
Unless the US military is stupid to keep all 100 of them in a single easily bombable location, there’s no fucking way on this green earth a single one of them will die in any combat, especially if they are simply manning air defense outposts spread across the country like what the article that no one here reads actually said.
Fun fact, Air Defense is a priority target in missile saturation attacks because it makes it easier for follow on missiles to hit their targets.
Even funner fact: anyone remember the USS Liberty? A common thought is Israel did that to pull us into their war then. Nowadays you would have a presidential candidate boldly declaring that [insert ‘vile’ country of choice] killed our troops and we must rush to war against them. I bet there are israeli leaders just salivating at the idea of repeating the scenario.
Nah, they didn’t want us seeing what they were doing. They weren’t going to pull us into their war by being the ones to hit our ship. Now? with this though? Absolutely. They want to pull us in until we’re too far to back out without the next president spending all of their political capital on day one. We’re about to see the real danger of a lame duck presidency and the GOP will never let us forget it afterward. Even if they’re the ones beating the drums now.
