If an 80 year old is the best America can do against growing fascism in their country.
We’re all doomed.
I’m not American but I support the American people, I support the Democrats and the liberal minded people of the country … but the way this election is building up is leading to something terrible. It’s like watching an enormous cargo ship on its way to slowly destroying a popular recreational marina.
please don’t support democrats or liberals, they’re genocide enablers
Yeah, Donald “Muslim ban” “Israel should finish the job” Trump will surely stop this conflict. Jared Kushner got how many billions from the Saudis? That was an award for creating peace in the Middle East, right? Great work, Jared. Let’s get him to head this task force. Mike Johnson wants to send in the National Guard to handle the students. Fuck those students, they should write letters to the editor if they don’t like war. Protesting is illegal, I think.
Yeah, let’s enable the government to go even further genociding Muslims at home as well as abroad. Let’s choose the guys who will prevent us from being able to vote ever again, just in case we change our minds later.
Please don’t support comments like the above, they’re heads in the sand enablers.
as opposed to republicans who are all about stopping genocides 🙄
Especially Trump, who famously pardoned multiple war criminals, he will absolutely be on your side /s
If you had any morals you’d vote for Jill Stein
IShe said Russia was basically forced to invade Ukraine by NATO, so… She’s making excuses for genocides too. She just doesn’t care if her funders and the oligarchs she dines with are the ones committing genocide.
Oh and she still has to explain her vaccine skepticism, saying that wifi causes cancer, and her nuclear fear mongering.
No, you would vote for Biden to stop Trump from finishing the job and killing all of the Palestinians. Not to mention Trump wants to round up immigrants and homeless people and put them in camps. Everyone will be worse off with Trump.
I think a lot of doom and gloom haunts this era and leaves us blind.
We entered the information/disinformation age very recently of course it was going to be global chaos. I think it was necessary and good things are ahead.
Every generation believes the end is nigh, they’ve all been wrong but sometimes felt and saw and swear they were right. I’m sure as Rome burned and the Aztec empire fell and the black plague devoured they thought the end was here.
Yet here we are and how irrelevant their issues are today.
It all depends on your perspective and what position of society you occupy.
If you are even a little bit wealthy and live in a first world country … the decline of the global world will be an inconvenience.
For the rest of the world, it will mean death, destruction, starvation and misery.
Every global societal failure in the historical past were all the same. The rich lost some of their power and got little uncomfortable. The poor died en masse.
You know that between 50% and 90% of the population died in all three of the examples you listed, right?
Any source on that apart from the plague?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics
The Roman Empire one is a harder one, since it was a centuries-long process with plenty of plagues, wars and migrations. It’s not hard to find sources, however, that the city of Rome fell from 1 million to 30.000 ~ 60.000 people.
That’s kind of what triggered my question, there’s a common misunderstanding that the fall of Rome was something brutal and with few causes (that are selected by politicians when they want to scare people). I think Rome losing its population can be explained by emigration rather than people dying.
You know there is a theory that a volcanic eruption reduced the human population down to 1-3,000 individuals?
Yet here we are.
Believe it or not, my criteria for prosperity is more than “literally somebody survives to propogate my species.”
This isn’t the comfort you think it is. If the bombs light up my horizon, I won’t be thinking “well, at least some remote tribe might continue a stone age humanity” while my entire family is consumed in a nuclear fire.
I’d probably be thinking “Well, fuck. That’s disappointing.”
just shrug at the mushroom cloud and go back to seeing how many upvotes my final meme got
Okay? I’m not offering comfort. It is simply true. We all die one day and worrying about the end of our society isn’t new.
My point is there will be cataclysm. That’s it.
Y’all are so argumentative and sensitive
If you edit to make that a bridge instead of a marina it would be pretty topical. Perhaps a commentary on how the owner of the ship is trying to dodge any liability whatsoever despite fucking up safety protocols.
I thought the title was related to his bombs killing a 6 yr olds
Liberals fully support genocide so even tho that was funny it’s gonna get down voted. I do appreciate the laugh tho.
Obviously you’re not American, but if you were people like you who are One Issue Voters are just as bad as FPtP voting.
The other choice fully supports what you spend so much time hating. Your comments are completely and utterly useless.
Libs fucking furious, how dare people not understand the moral complexity of genocide.
Definitely weren’t exactly the same kind of asshole that said the same thing about the Civil Rights Movement. Or slavery.
Or the Revolutionary War.
Is Biden better than Trump? Sure. Now stop demanding I suck his dick and cease all criticism.
You need help.
Do you have family that can assist you, or have they all stopped talking to you?
What’s the “conservative” view on it? Oh yeah, MORE FUCKING SUPPORT for the genocide, so you CAN FUCK RIGHT OFF with your bullshit.
you are. Far right.
Nah. The far right is like ‘fuck them kids. They’re brown.’ I just want my politicians to not help bomb cities
then stop being pro-trump, facist.
Wanting more out of Biden is not being pro trump
Honestly, being impressed that someone called someone else “six year old” is really actually embarrassing. There are better takes if this is the high water mark we are fucked.
True, but you have to remember swallowing Biden’s cock is a much vaunted activity around these parts.
Is it? Because unless “I don’t like him all that much but he’s better than Trump” is what you consider “swallowing Biden’s cock,” it’s not what I’ve observed here.
Biden is someone you’ll let come over if it’s a large party and ya don’t have to spend a lot of face time with, not someone you have over and let fuck your wife. That’s Obama.
Your punctuation (lack thereof) is also in the hyperbolic running for causing the End Times, so 🤷🏼♂️
In the context of a stand up routine… Not official speech.
I mean to be fair, it’s a dinner, not an inauguration, and given what the other side was like a few years back. Yeah I’d say he’s earned it
Nobody is calling this the high water mark. It’s a joke flipping the expectation of a comment on him being old to an argument about the lack of maturity of his opponent. Pretty standard politics joke.
Thank you for explaining the joke I was so lost
I know you’re right …but fuck that standard.
Have you ever watched a single WHC dinner ever?
I’d rather a 6 year old than a genocidal maniac.
Sounds like you’re planning on electing the man who wants to “finish the job”…
So rather Trump than Trump?
Somehow many people think that they were better off with the six year old. And because the fed was not attempting to tighten credit so much with Trump as president, they may not be wrong.
How is tighter credit worse than all the stuff Trump did?
The average voter probably is most concerned about the effect of the economy on him or herself. If you were laid off because tight credit caused your company to fold, or to have refinance expensively, or had to pay a large dividend or do a stock buyback to compete with other capital investments, to you things haven’t been an improvement. Most voters don’t understand the idea of the rule of law, but they definitely understand being out of work, or being forced to take a lower paying job or having to work in the gig economy. Do you wonder why Trump has supporters? If you don’t want to bother to understand the voters, they don’t really care about what you think either. I think Trump is poison to our country, but I also know that people vote for him for a reason: he at least pays lip service to what concerns them.
While I appreciate your overall point, I just gotta answer…
Do you wonder why Trump has supporters? If you don’t want to bother to understand the voters, they don’t really care about what you think either.
lol nobody wonders, and it’s very obviously not because of his macroeconomics. They don’t care what we think because of qualities we can’t change, not because we aren’t bothering to understand them hard enough. You’re giving them faaaaaaaaa[takes breath]aaaaaaaar too much credit.
I don’t think every Trump voter is a rabid racist, and macroeconomics do matter. They just don’t think the government, or the Democrats, or the other Republicans give a damn about them. They are alone and just want someone to tell them there’s someone to blame, and someone is going to make them pay for their suffering. Trump is their winner that champions them, or so they think, because no one else gives a shit about them. Does Biden convince them that the government really cares? Not a chance. Voting for Trump is exploiting the blind anger many people feel because of their powerlessness. If you want to win an election, you tap into that. People don’t really care what Trump says, they are desperate and angry and want to have someone pay for their suffering.
you could have stopped after “they don’t think”, and your comment would have been more valid.
It’s the failure to understand why voters opt for Trump which is why Trump wins elections, more so than Trump’s qualities. No one cares what these voters think, and so why should they care about what you think or how you want them to vote? These people think, just not how you want them to, or have the same concerns you do. Treating them as subhuman simply pushes them into the arms of demagogues and dictators.
they literally don’t think. they react emotionally with their lizard brains. that’s not thinking.
He at least pays lip service to what concerns them.
Banning Muslims and Latinos from the country and putting LGBT people back in the closet.
I’ve been watching a YouTube series called “the presidents play d&d” it’s fucking hilarious. Everytime I see shit like this I think of Donna the barbarian yelling “wake up sleepy Joe”.
Biden is slayin’ even harder in Palestine. Congrats on the grade school level dunk, though.
Why don’t you go over there and help them yourself then
Going to Palestine would do nothing but add more meat to the grinder. Action in the US is far more effective since the US is the one funding israel’s campaign of genocide. I used to think genocide was an absolutely forbidden red line, but it turns out people are actually quite dismissive when it’s actually happening. Even worse, many here are sucking biden’s dick while he supports genocide with full force.
He looks uncanny in that photo.
I never understood the age argument for Trump, he’s basically the same age.
You could say the same of Sanders. They’re all old dudes.
But there’s a certain “will be fight for me?” attitude. And Trump’s a cranky cantankerous piece of shit who fights with everyone, while Biden seems content to let the White House run itself.
Trump’s personification of the Angry Elderly Racist American generates more passion for his campaign than Biden’s “Hey, man, why can’t we all just sit back and watch the world burn together without harshing my vibe?”
given how much difficulty trump is having sitting for more than half an hour in a courtroom I very much doubt he’s as fit as Bicycle Joe
Can you imagine Trump trying to ride a bicycle? Actually there’s a good chance he never learned how.
It would run down his battery too much.
Or during the primaries with Bernie. While Bernie was bing harangued for extra medical records, Joe Biden got a free pass, despite only being a year younger.
The DNC actively sabotaged Bernie’s run. Looking at all the the facts in retrospect, I do not think he would have won. He, however, would have performed much better, and maybe pushed the overton window within the DNC left in order for Hillary to appease the segment that was pro Bernie, rather than just scoff.
And given how Trump spent the 80’s, I assume they’re about the same biological age.
I don’t like the guy as much as the next but isn’t it common knowledge Trump never fucked with drugs or alcohol? Or am I missing what you’re referring to by spent the 80’s?
Trump never fucked with drugs or alcohol?
He didn’t fuck with alcohol, but that man was on the nose candy as much as any 1980s New York Business Guy.
Trump literally invented crack cocaine personally in his basement lab in his free time while he mapped the human genome singlehandedly.
Source: BiDeN’s very real laptop which totally exists.
isn’t it common knowledge Trump never fucked with drugs or alcohol?
What youtuber told you that lololol
Dude is methed OUT, you can see it every time he speaks.
I remember hearing this, but I don’t remember the source cuz it didn’t matter to me honestly. I do think he was at least publicly straight edge. As someone with addiction issues who has spent time with lots of addicts - meth included - he doesn’t seem to have been a meth addict. He’s still a piece of shit. But let’s be honest.
FFS. The bot trolls are getting lazy AF.
It’s common knowledge that he pays a lot of money for publicists, yes.
It’s common knowledge that Trump claims he doesn’t touch alcohol and drugs.
And yet he also sold his own brand of vodka and his White House was a pill farm.
Do you think Donald Trump might occasionally say things that aren’t true?
He’s boomer methed out: Trump isn’t partying in the strict sense of the word, but his doctor and handlers seem to have him on all sorts of dangerous levels of shit given how jumpy he is. A lot of our parents who were medicated like this didn’t see themselves as having a problem since having it medically prescribed is viewed as legit treatment
I hate to make yet another Hitler reference with him but Hitler was the same: he didn’t partake in “recreational” use but dude’ doctor had him fucked out of his mind on cocaine and opiates in the 40s but he also famously didn’t drink
Fascism runs on meth.
Always has.
Just reform your electoral system. For the love it God, stop that pantomime.
Provide me a solution that can reach the level of consensus required to modify the system.
They literally made it illegal in Florida, thanks.
Ranked choice is infinitely better than FPTP. I still don’t know why that is the choice to go in on when score voting exists.
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Not as easy to explain and understand compared to score.
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More likely to have invalid ballots compared to score.
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Cannot tally in separate districts and join, it has to be one massive count.
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More likely to have weird shit in close races compared to score.
If anyone already has inertia moving forward with ranked choice I support you. If anyone is starting from zero, please try for score voting.
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is a fake problem - If you can pass a driving test you can fill out a ranked choice ballot. I’ve never seen the (x is too hard average joe to understand) argument made in good faith on voting.
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Fair. Common criticism but often its still not a major problem. Electronic voting machines can throw an error message for an improper ballots as well.
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This is probably the best real criticism of RCV.
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Weird outcomes tend to happen the more candidates are involved. Realistically the top 4 jungle primary system used by alaska is quite good though and 4 candidates are unlikely to have weird outcomes except where one bloc has 1 candidate and a second large voting bloc has 3
- Is how the Democrat won Alaska. The Republicans split the vote.
I’d prefer Approval over RCV or score, but anything is better than FPTP.
“weird shit” would be everyone getting their second or 3rd choice because they weren’t as polarising, which would fix a bunch of problems.
Unless they don’t because the results for irv is chaotic and it tends to elect extremely candidates.
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Republicans hate it and have been propagandizing against it because FPTP benefits them more.
Yet Alaska has it…
Alaska is why they hate it. They implemented ranked choice and immediately afterwards a Democrat won their House seat, something that normally be unheard of.
What? Don’t you have great universities with Democratic Studies departments? Oh, wait, maybe they are protesting right now against your government support to a genocide.
The existence of universities does not provide a concensus. A quarter or the country is convinced universities are communist brainwashing clubs
You have to figure it out yourselves. IDK, but I think universities are good places to start looking for solid ideas, but they are not the only places.
I don’t think your politicians will allow it, in any case.
Step 1: Decide on what electoral system is best (for me, plurality representation and RCV or something like that)
Step 2: Launch a nationally-funded campaign to implement it in a small and friendly state and/or localities to demonstrate its effectiveness
Step 3: Success in some places ideally leads to adoption in other states and localities. Obviously some established politicians will recognize this as contrary to their interests and will oppose it, so relentlessly attack those politicians with crowdfunded political ads.
Step 4: Once it’s pretty much everywhere and obvious to everyone that the federal system is backwards compared to the country, push for a federal constitutional amendment.
Oh wow why didn’t we think of that 🤦♂️
Just reform your electoral system
if it’s that easy, you do it
If they said “your system”, it’s not farfetched to imagone they have no rights here.
I don’t think it’s easy. I’m saying that’s a good way to begin with.
Easiest way to get it is by finding a big-tent party that isn’t averse to change.
Once they dominate politics at every level, the big-tent will get full. That’s a highly unstable event…there will be infighting, and the party will begin to shatter. Then they will realize that the only way to preserve any of their changes is to switch away from FPTP, as that’s the primary reason we have two parties. Voting reform will become necessary, otherwise the former primary opposing party will get a foothold.
Know any big-tent parties that aren’t change-averse?
Do incrementalism by starting from localist changes. Minessota and Alaska already has ranked-voting and worked wonderfully for the locals. If these states could do it, so could others. American politicians tend to listen more to their electorates if enough mass pressure is applied.
alaska did a direct democracy initiative in a republican controlled state. Is there an initiative for alaskan style top 4 ranked choice elections in your state? Why not?
Know any big-tent parties that aren’t change-averse?
nope. why do you think Biden has been in politics longer than I’ve been alive, and most current federal senate/representatives are in long-term careers.
So incumbents keep getting re-elected?
Huh. Wonder what the fix for that is.
Vote.
Show me a “vote” that isn’t “thrown away” that doesn’t consist of voting for… that.
Its not hard to talk about and the first step to solving the problem is to recognize our two party system exists because of the voting system we have. Once people agree its a problem then you move to solving it.
Well, voting and representation system. Without some kind of proportional representation you’ll just end up with a two party system with extra steps. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Organize a referendum to switch your elections to Approval Voting, which will then let you easily switch your legislatures to Sequential Proportional Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_proportional_approval_voting), keeping the voting system the same across all elections.
geez, yet again joe biden showing he is too old to run. 6 year olds cannot run for president.
Feels like an ad. I love you, Zero, but this feels like an ad.
I have no issue if it is one when it’s true 🤷♂️
Damn grown man can’t identify a genocide
Both of those fools would fail a CAPTCHA for different reasons
I like that phrase, I’m going to steal it. It’s mine now.
It’s not exactly complimentary for Joe that almost all of his tribe’s the strategy is “Vote for Joe because the other guy is worse”.
One is left with the idea that “random person of the street” would be a better president than either of these assholes, which then leads to the whole “How exactly does America have Democracy when of all the possible 300 million Americans, the only two ‘choices’ the voters de facto have are worse than the average American?”
Bc Democrats didn’t even bother to hold primaries - tbf, that’s common with a sitting incumbent - and while conservatives tried to hold debates before the Republican primaries, Trump just laughed them off, didn’t bother to attend, and won easily anyway.
Meanwhile, people on both sides are like “how is democracy not working”!?, while choosing to conveniently ignore that this is how democracy always works. i.e. it takes real effort, so this whole solution of waiting for Superman or whoever to save us was doomed from the start.
If we will not put forth effort to maintain something, then someone may come and take it away from us.
I’ve lived in a couple of countries in Europe and always voted when I could (being an EU Citizen, I can vote in Local and European Elections in any EU country).
From my own experience, that is not at all “how democracy always works”.
It’s at best how the American voting system always works.
Merelly “having a vote” is not the same as Democracy - just look at Russia - so the question is “How far away is the American Voting System from the ideal of Democracy and is it even a Democracy or just a Theatre Of Democracy?”. Whilst I have my own belief in that, I think it’s best if each person, looks around and really thinks about and draws their own conclusions.
It’s funny that the least democratic system I lived under - Britain, which was even worse than the US IMHO (they have a King and an unelected second chamber whose membership is lifelong and in some case hereditary) - was a place were, just like in the US, policians kept going on an on about how great a Democracy their country was, whilst in the most democratic one - The Netherlands, who though they do have a powerless Monarch, use Proportional Vote for Parliament which has all the real power - politicians never felt the need to harp about how great a Democracy they had.
Oh yeah - to clarify, I meant “things take effort to maintain” is how democracy always works, not “vote for me bc the other guy is worse”, which is only a feature of those with 2-party systems in place.
The former is also simply stating that systems tend towards entropic decay, without intervention to prop them up. So it is not unique even to just political systems. e.g. Nixon was impeached, but rather than attempt to stop future such attempts, we instead allowed people to lay the groundwork for the next attempt. And then when the January 6 coup attempt failed, once again rather than take steps to prevent such in the future, we again allowed it to fester and the same exact people who tried it before are now stating openly that they would like to try again. So… third time’s a charm, anyone? 🍀
Whereas it seems an open question whether a 2-party system can even be called a “democracy” at all, but even if it can, especially at first, it definitely shifts the field away from what people consider as the foundational principles of democracy. And that too we allowed to fester, for many decades. But surely nothing bad would ever happen, ever, for any reason, right!? Nope, it seems to me that we are all permanently safe, forever… 🍀
Well, ok, that does make a lot of sense and aligns with what I’ve been discovering myself in the last few years - Democracy is a process, not an absolute inalterable state of being.
This dovetails with a lot of things such as how parties who remain too long in power become corrupt over time no matter how honest they started as, an effect that also seems to happen when it’s two parties alternating in power (were both parties become corrupt over time, just slower).
You also see the near constant attempts at undermining the independence of the Press and Judicial Pillars of Democracy and making them subservient to the Political Pillar and/or with that same Pillar becoming subservient to other, non-state unelected powers, typically those whose power comes from Money.
Similarly with religion. e.g. Jesus said: “love one another, especially those you disagree with” - love ofc is a chosen attitude towards patience, gentleness, kindness, peace, etc., and instituted the most widespread and strongest provisions for women’s rights that the world has ever seen.
Fast-forward to today’s religious christofascists taking away women’s health options and taking sexual advantage of children and it’s just… not the same. Everything gets corrupted over time, and takes effort to preserve and persevere.
It is because the Emancipation Proclamation guy got shot in the head, leaving a dimwit to do reconstruction. Now we have a massive cult of boneheads backing a dude who led an insurrection against the country. All out of spite because a black man dared to get elected to office.
I don’t want to vote for Biden but I don’t have a choice as long as the rest of the Repubs will back whichever corrupt piece of shit the cultists push through their primaries.
Hell yeah, you tell em Joe
Voting for Trump gives more. PROBLEM SOLVED!
Hmmm, perhaps i’ll simply not vote for a candidate that funds an apartheid ethnostate, no matter what color his tie is :)
Choosing not to vote is choosing to support the candidate you like least. Rationalize it all you want, but we have a 2 party system that you won’t fix by choosing not to participate.
Hell yeah, so if I hate them both the same then they both get my vote? But I was already planning on voting for the PSL, are you saying I get 3 votes? If not voting for biden is a vote for trump, then that also means that not voting for trump is a vote for biden. Do my not-biden and not-trump votes cancel each other out? Does the PSL get all 3 votes??? American democracy is so confusing…
if I hate them both the same
Then you’re a fucking idiot
You may be surprised to know that this message did not change my stance on Joseph Biden. You should be doing more to earn my vote.
If Trump being so blatantly bad isn’t enough, then you’re a moron and a lost cause. It’s not our problem, it’s yours.
Hence the idiot thing I mentioned
Do you really, honestly believe that Trump and Biden are equivalent? One is imperfect in many ways, while the other is a literal fascist being backed by people who are explicitly planning to run the US as a Christofascist oligarchy.
The goal for one side is for this to be the last election we ever get. Don’t hand them victory because Biden isn’t your ideal candidate.
If trump is truly an existential threat to democracy and our country, biden should order the military to assassinate him. He’d be 100% justified in doing so. You’d shoot hitler to protect democracy, right? that’d be a surefire way to get my vote, tbh. I voted for biden as the “harm reduction” candidate in 2020 and it really seems like that blew up in our collective faces big time, so I’m gonna avoid stepping on that rake again.
Fewer and fewer people are downvoting you as you post more. It means they are ignoring or blocking your comments, so they don’t even see them anymore.
You’re not going to convince anyone of anything like this. Maybe you should think about why that is?
