Its not hard to talk about and the first step to solving the problem is to recognize our two party system exists because of the voting system we have. Once people agree its a problem then you move to solving it.
Well, voting and representation system. Without some kind of proportional representation you’ll just end up with a two party system with extra steps. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Organize a referendum to switch your elections to Approval Voting, which will then let you easily switch your legislatures to Sequential Proportional Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_proportional_approval_voting), keeping the voting system the same across all elections.
Easiest way to get it is by finding a big-tent party that isn’t averse to change.
Once they dominate politics at every level, the big-tent will get full. That’s a highly unstable event…there will be infighting, and the party will begin to shatter. Then they will realize that the only way to preserve any of their changes is to switch away from FPTP, as that’s the primary reason we have two parties. Voting reform will become necessary, otherwise the former primary opposing party will get a foothold.
Know any big-tent parties that aren’t change-averse?
Know any big-tent parties that aren’t change-averse?
nope. why do you think Biden has been in politics longer than I’ve been alive, and most current federal senate/representatives are in long-term careers.
alaska did a direct democracy initiative in a republican controlled state. Is there an initiative for alaskan style top 4 ranked choice elections in your state? Why not?
Do incrementalism by starting from localist changes. Minessota and Alaska already has ranked-voting and worked wonderfully for the locals. If these states could do it, so could others. American politicians tend to listen more to their electorates if enough mass pressure is applied.
What? Don’t you have great universities with Democratic Studies departments? Oh, wait, maybe they are protesting right now against your government support to a genocide.
You have to figure it out yourselves. IDK, but I think universities are good places to start looking for solid ideas, but they are not the only places.
I don’t think your politicians will allow it, in any case.
Step 1: Decide on what electoral system is best (for me, plurality representation and RCV or something like that)
Step 2: Launch a nationally-funded campaign to implement it in a small and friendly state and/or localities to demonstrate its effectiveness
Step 3: Success in some places ideally leads to adoption in other states and localities. Obviously some established politicians will recognize this as contrary to their interests and will oppose it, so relentlessly attack those politicians with crowdfunded political ads.
Step 4: Once it’s pretty much everywhere and obvious to everyone that the federal system is backwards compared to the country, push for a federal constitutional amendment.
is a fake problem - If you can pass a driving test you can fill out a ranked choice ballot. I’ve never seen the (x is too hard average joe to understand) argument made in good faith on voting.
Fair. Common criticism but often its still not a major problem. Electronic voting machines can throw an error message for an improper ballots as well.
This is probably the best real criticism of RCV.
Weird outcomes tend to happen the more candidates are involved. Realistically the top 4 jungle primary system used by alaska is quite good though and 4 candidates are unlikely to have weird outcomes except where one bloc has 1 candidate and a second large voting bloc has 3
Alaska is why they hate it. They implemented ranked choice and immediately afterwards a Democrat won their House seat, something that normally be unheard of.
Just reform your electoral system. For the love it God, stop that pantomime.
if it’s that easy, you do it
Its not hard to talk about and the first step to solving the problem is to recognize our two party system exists because of the voting system we have. Once people agree its a problem then you move to solving it.
Well, voting and representation system. Without some kind of proportional representation you’ll just end up with a two party system with extra steps. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Organize a referendum to switch your elections to Approval Voting, which will then let you easily switch your legislatures to Sequential Proportional Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_proportional_approval_voting), keeping the voting system the same across all elections.
If they said “your system”, it’s not farfetched to imagone they have no rights here.
I don’t think it’s easy. I’m saying that’s a good way to begin with.
Easiest way to get it is by finding a big-tent party that isn’t averse to change.
Once they dominate politics at every level, the big-tent will get full. That’s a highly unstable event…there will be infighting, and the party will begin to shatter. Then they will realize that the only way to preserve any of their changes is to switch away from FPTP, as that’s the primary reason we have two parties. Voting reform will become necessary, otherwise the former primary opposing party will get a foothold.
Know any big-tent parties that aren’t change-averse?
nope. why do you think Biden has been in politics longer than I’ve been alive, and most current federal senate/representatives are in long-term careers.
So incumbents keep getting re-elected?
Huh. Wonder what the fix for that is.
Vote.
Show me a “vote” that isn’t “thrown away” that doesn’t consist of voting for… that.
alaska did a direct democracy initiative in a republican controlled state. Is there an initiative for alaskan style top 4 ranked choice elections in your state? Why not?
Do incrementalism by starting from localist changes. Minessota and Alaska already has ranked-voting and worked wonderfully for the locals. If these states could do it, so could others. American politicians tend to listen more to their electorates if enough mass pressure is applied.
Oh wow why didn’t we think of that 🤦♂️
Provide me a solution that can reach the level of consensus required to modify the system.
What? Don’t you have great universities with Democratic Studies departments? Oh, wait, maybe they are protesting right now against your government support to a genocide.
The existence of universities does not provide a concensus. A quarter or the country is convinced universities are communist brainwashing clubs
You have to figure it out yourselves. IDK, but I think universities are good places to start looking for solid ideas, but they are not the only places.
I don’t think your politicians will allow it, in any case.
Step 1: Decide on what electoral system is best (for me, plurality representation and RCV or something like that)
Step 2: Launch a nationally-funded campaign to implement it in a small and friendly state and/or localities to demonstrate its effectiveness
Step 3: Success in some places ideally leads to adoption in other states and localities. Obviously some established politicians will recognize this as contrary to their interests and will oppose it, so relentlessly attack those politicians with crowdfunded political ads.
Step 4: Once it’s pretty much everywhere and obvious to everyone that the federal system is backwards compared to the country, push for a federal constitutional amendment.
Ranked choice voting has been making real progress.
They literally made it illegal in Florida, thanks.
Ranked choice is infinitely better than FPTP. I still don’t know why that is the choice to go in on when score voting exists.
Not as easy to explain and understand compared to score.
More likely to have invalid ballots compared to score.
Cannot tally in separate districts and join, it has to be one massive count.
More likely to have weird shit in close races compared to score.
If anyone already has inertia moving forward with ranked choice I support you. If anyone is starting from zero, please try for score voting.
is a fake problem - If you can pass a driving test you can fill out a ranked choice ballot. I’ve never seen the (x is too hard average joe to understand) argument made in good faith on voting.
Fair. Common criticism but often its still not a major problem. Electronic voting machines can throw an error message for an improper ballots as well.
This is probably the best real criticism of RCV.
Weird outcomes tend to happen the more candidates are involved. Realistically the top 4 jungle primary system used by alaska is quite good though and 4 candidates are unlikely to have weird outcomes except where one bloc has 1 candidate and a second large voting bloc has 3
I’d prefer Approval over RCV or score, but anything is better than FPTP.
“weird shit” would be everyone getting their second or 3rd choice because they weren’t as polarising, which would fix a bunch of problems.
Unless they don’t because the results for irv is chaotic and it tends to elect extremely candidates.
Republicans hate it and have been propagandizing against it because FPTP benefits them more.
Yet Alaska has it…
Alaska is why they hate it. They implemented ranked choice and immediately afterwards a Democrat won their House seat, something that normally be unheard of.
https://alaskapublic.org/2024/01/18/alaska-house-committee-advances-legislation-to-repeal-ranked-choice-voting/