I wake up at 3am to 4am daily as a neighbor makes noise walking their dog. This cannot be helped. Once I am awake, my mind won’t stop going over details about everything from the mundane to the critical. Often, I am able to fall asleep again after three or more hours of wakefulness, but onlyinutes before I have tonwake for the day.

Does anyone have success with quieting the mind without substances so that they can fall back to sleep?

  • ValiantDust@feddit.de
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    I used to have this problem, too. Both when trying to fall asleep in the evening and after waking up in the middle of the night for any reason.

    What really helps me is putting on an audiobook or podcast that I like but already know (this part is important because otherwise I will just listen to it for the rest of the night because I want to know what happens) and setting the volume to very low. I set the sleep timer to 15 minutes and most of the time I’m asleep way before it turns off.

    I had to experiment a bit to find audiobooks that hit the sweet spot of being engaging enough to keep my mind from wandering but not so much that I can’t drift of to sleep but once I found a few, it’s been a real game changer.

    • Hello_there@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      9 months ago

      I’ve found that music can work too - but it really has to be the right type of music. I don’t know the right terms, but basically songs that are slow in tempo and don’t have high notes. As an example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9LhmrVaFl_o
      It takes some work, but building a list is as simple as putting songs on and remiving the songs your brain latches onto and keeping those thag just fade into the background

    • trapezohedron@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      8 months ago

      I have an ADHD brain, sleep lightly because of raising kids, and my wife snores. I have found the best comfort success with Mack’s Silicone earplugs. I can shape them just right, so they’re not painful when I am sleeping on my side. Each plug, split in half, lasts about three nights before my body oil makes them difficult to adhere to my ears. They’re don’t block a lot of sound, but they both soften the sounds that happen and they make me hear my own breathing more, which is relaxing and focusing in it’s own way.

      • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        8 months ago

        Good information.

        I get good results with the store brand, one use foam ones. I don’t need them every night, just when things are loud or I’m in a new place.

    • IonAddis@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      9 months ago

      I second this. I’m a very light sleeper and earplugs filter out most of the small sounds so I am not awakened by them.

  • Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    You’re experiencing the exact same problem as my wife, in the same time frame, but for her it’s the neighbor slamming his door on his way out to work.

    I can’t speak for her, as she often just gets up after her mind begins cycling through anything and everything, but as someone who has a lot of difficulty falling asleep, I have some success with the following:

    1. Massaging my neck, shoulders, and shoulderblades
    2. Getting up and sitting in the dark of a different environment for a few minutes, like the living room or guest bed, then returning to bed
    3. Alternating between trying to sleep flat on my back and on my stomach
  • Dabro@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    9 months ago

    Lots of great advice here already, the only thing I’d add is 4-7-8 breathing. There are lots of guides and explanations online, but essentially you breath in for 4 seconds, hold your breath for 7 seconds, then exhale for 8 seconds.

    It takes practice before you can do it and stay relaxed at the same time, so I would suggest practicing during the daytime so when you do it at night it doesn’t fully wake you up. It took about a week of practice before I felt comfortable enough to feel the benefit, but I still use 4-7-8 breathing in lots of contexts four years later.

    I think the theory behind it is tied to vagus nerve and helping the body relax and enter rest and digest states.

  • Herbal Gamer@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    9 months ago

    Do you have ADHD or something similar?
    I always need to have something playing in the background to stop my mind from overworking.

    • bighatchester@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      9 months ago

      Me too . Lately I put on it’s always Sunny in Philadelphia since I’ve seen every episode many times and set the tv with a sleep timer . I’m also very nerdy so I like to imagine cool PC setups or electronic projects I would make if I had no budget . Somehow that helps me fall asleep.

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    Put a Marpac Dohm white noise generator between you and the window. It’s basically a fan that’s modified to generate consistent white noise, and is somewhat adjustable (volume, tone for lack of a better term.).

    It does take some getting used to, but once you do, it muffled a lot of noise. Any white noise generator will probably work, but my marpac has run for years with only needing to be opened once or twice for dust.

    Another option is a thick comforter in the window (like curtains.)

    Beyond mitigation, I keep some yarn and a crochet hook, and make stuffed animals for random kids of people I know. Crocheting for me hits the sweet spot between mindless and needs focus to still my mind.

    My mom will do chores like folding laundry or dishes for a few minutes. Or sudoku.

    Another option is meditation techniques- like meditative breathing will help with relaxing. Try breathing for a count of 3, holding to 6, exhaling to 9 (so each step has a 3-count in through the nose, out the mouth.)

  • zout@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    9 months ago
    1. Make sure you can’t see a clock at night. Not knowing how late it is will stop your mind from going over at least one detail, how much time you have left to sleep.
    2. Get a notebook next to your bed so you can write things down if something urgent comes up in your mind. If you’re like me, changes are you’ll never write down anything.
    3. Try to not think about anything for 10 seconds or better 10 breaths. No toughts whatsoever.
    4. If everything fails, have a book or e-reader ready, so you can relax while reading for a bit. Nothing with LCD screens though, they tend to wake you up even more.
    • Ulvain@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      9 months ago

      These are great tricks!! I’d add one that’s always worked for me: if you can’t get your mind to go still in pt#3 above, think back of the story in a book or show you like, and let your mind wander about the characters, the story, the background, the intrigue etc. Focusing on fiction and story helps me drift back, vs focusing on real life things…

  • Thelsim@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    9 months ago

    I often wake up around the same time. What helps for me is a big soft toy cat to cuddle with. The feeling of security of being able to wrap my arms around something tight is soothing and often helps me drift off to sleep again.
    I don’t use it until I wake up though, until then it’s lying on the floor next to my bed. It could be that the change in sleeping posture is what helps?

    Granted, this might be a bit too personal to be helpful. But maybe it will help for you as well? Alternatively you could try a big fluffy pillow if soft toys aren’t your thing :)

  • fitgse@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    9 months ago

    Here is what I do, it is a type of visualization meditation.

    I have been watching futurama (original seasons) for 20 something years. I have seen each episode literally hundreds of times. I have them burned pretty well into my brain at this point.

    I have ripped just the audio track from the DVDs. When I wake up in the middle of the night (2-4 times per night!), I turn on a random episode as audio only.

    The goal here is to try to visualize the episode as you only listen to the audio. This forces you to focus on something rather than stress about life. It really helps me stop thinking about anything else. Because I know the episodes so well, it has become quite easy to stay focused on it (like watching with your eyes closed). And since I’ve seen the episodes so many times there is no fear of missing out, so you don’t try to stay awake to finish an episode. I can typically fall back asleep within 5-10 minutes with this technique.

    I personally have these on my phone in a playlist and sleep with a single wired ear bud in one ear. I have a sleep timer set for 25 minutes. If I wake up, all I have to do is tap the button on my wired Apple headphones and it’ll continue playing for 25 more minutes. No need to open my eyes or take off my sleep mask.

  • TheInsane42@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    9 months ago

    What helps here is to start reading. Most of the times I wake up with a book open, as I manage distract my mind from random thoughts.

    • litchralee@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      9 months ago

      I once decided to read the full text of my auto insurance policy while trying to fall back asleep. I awoke to find that I only needed to read nine pages haha

  • hrimfaxi_work@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    9 months ago

    I’m a light sleeper with a loud mind, as well, so this kind of thing has always been a problem for me. The two main things I find helpful may not do the trick for you, but here goes:

    First, trying to force myself back to sleep always just ramps my brain up worse and makes it more difficult than it already was to fall back asleep. I stopped trying to force the issue, which has counterintuitively sped up the time it takes me to fall back asleep. I don’t get up or engage my mind with anything significant, but if I’m awake, I’ll put soft music on my earbuds or scroll on my phone set to the dimmest setting. I may not fall back to sleep immediately, but I’ve found that lowering the pressure on myself to fall back asleep makes it happen more readily than when I spend 2 hours and 45 minutes being like “if I fall asleep right now, I can still get another 3 hours. go to sleep. fall asleep. sleep will happen… now!”

    Second, I’ve increased my oversell magnesium intake. I know you said no substances, but I feel like this is different. There have been a few studies–popular science type stuff, nothing peer reviewed that I know of–indicating that magnesium improves sleep quality and the ability to return to sleep if woken up. Might be the placebo effect, but I don’t care because I’ve noticed an improvement.

    Sorry you have to deal with this flavor of insomnia, too. Super sucks.

  • Today@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    9 months ago

    I focus hard and repeat to myself several times, “i deserve a full night of sleep,” to help get rid of whatever is in my brain. Then i take 5-10 breaths to think about getting comfortable, feeling my pillow and covers. Then i relax one body part for 3 breaths, starting at my feet, then ankles, then lower leg, … Keeping my mind as focused as possible on it to prevent brain wandering. If thoughts creep in, i start over reminding myself that i deserve sleep.

    • Pasta Dental@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      9 months ago

      Ive never managed to sleep this way, I tried so many times, but instead of thinking about the thing I should think about, like breathing, my stupid brain thinks about thinking of doing the thing…

  • PurpleSheeple@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    9 months ago

    You can try Yoga Nidra. A form of yoga used to get deep relaxation. It is said that 45 minutes of Nidra equals a 3 hour peaceful sleep. You can find info al over internet. I found this website particularly useful. I use especially the bodyscan and breathing techniques to calm my mind and fall asleep again.