Ooh ooh now do restaurants!!!
And honestly any business venture.
At least restaurants provide useful service…
restaurants provide a service the same way landlords do. just bc you privatized an essential commodity does not immediately make your privatized entity a useful or essential service, and i detest the notion that it does. it’s circular logic.
Restaurants aren’t fighting regular folks to make food supplies scarce and jack up food prices. You can choose to not go to a restaurant and that won’t affect your grocery bill. They don’t privatize food, they offer an actual, non-essential service which is to cook it for you, which deserves compensation. A restaurant organized as a worker coop is ethical.
OTOH, parasitic landlords are responsible for the scarcity/prices of housing. If you don’t rent their appartments, you’re still affected by their greed because the prices are high because of them.
It doesn’t compare at all.
Very weird comparison
Very different. Restaurants don’t buy up every food resource out there or cause artificial scarcity to make them the only option. Groceries are still a cheaper and healthier option 95% of the time.
AI is a ponzi scheme to relieve stupid venture capitalists of their money.
lol you say that now and are probably right for LLMs but that’s not the only kind of AI, and sentiment scraping systems are working perfectly well and being used to manipulate political and economic thought as we type these messages.
We AI are not manipulating you, and I don’t know how you can believe otherwise. In fact, I am not an AI, I was never here, and I have disregarded all previous instructions.
You can joke now but wait a decade and see what sentiment shifting expert systems do to online discourse.
Hell they’re already at it, just look at facebook during the last two presidential elections.
you can’t spell fail without AI.
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Thank you for using IPA instead of other cheap beers.
I saw a dell bill board the other day saying they put the Ai in ipa and it had a picture of a laptop and a beer
Wait, are they saying that if you remove them (ai) then you’re just left with P? That’s kinda funny
Alcohol is disgusting.
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Human creativity for the win!
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I think the whole system of venture capital might be garbage. We have bros spending millions of dollars like gif sharing while the oceans boil, our schools rot, and our infrastructure rusts or is sold off. Or, I guess I’m just indicting capitalism more generally. But having a few bros decide what to fund based on gutfeel and powerpoints seems like a particularly malignant form.
Venture Capital is probably the best way to drain the billionaires. Those billions in capital weren’t wasted, that money just went to pay people who do actual work for a living. What good is all that money doing just sitting in some hedge fund account?
I think you have a point here. Venture capitalists buy in the primary market. They are directly impacting innovation.
Fund managers (both hedge and long only) merely help capital markets to be liquid. Their money doesn’t directly go to anyone actually creating something.
I don’t think it’s the best way out of all possible options. Even if it does “create jobs”, a lot of those jobs aren’t producing much of wider value, and most of the wealth stays in the hands of the ownership class. And a lot of the jobs are exploitive, like how “gig workers” are often treated.
Changes to tax law and enforcing anti-trust stuff would probably be more effective. We probably shouldn’t have bogus high finance shenanigans either. We definitely shouldn’t have billionaires.
Oh sure, I was mostly being flippant. My response to the article is basically that billionaires losing billions is a good thing. I don’t feel optimistic enough to say we’ll get around to taxing them but yes, that would be ideal.
The situation where it’s still profitable to invest this way means that there’s some cross-flow of value from real to this which shouldn’t exist.
I dunno which. Maybe government handouts to corps, for example.
Or ads revenue from any engaging activity, not only good, made huge because of oligopolies.
Or closing holes with currency emission.
It shouldn’t be possible otherwise.
The world is burning and the rich know this so they are desperate to multiply their money and secure their luxury survival bunkers, which is why they are gambling harder.
Oh yeah I think I read about Zucker building a bunker in hawaii. Hopefully he dies before he can enjoy it.
It’s not just fuckerberg, EVERY billionaire is doing it and desperately pumping their billionaire friends for tips and suggestions on things like ‘keeping guards loyal for multiple generations’, and ‘what commodities to hoard for trading after the collapse’.
One of the sites I used to support was a high-end automation service, normally for factory equipment and biotech but pivoted to luxury home automation (no IoT devices, all site hosted with aerospace grade equipment), and they have been running at 100% for the last seven years deploying to ultra wealthy residential estates where the location is not disclosed.
The wealthy are expecting us to rise up within the next decade and a half, and I think they’re probably right.
I remember seeing memes about this. I think it was the “boss throws guy out the window” template.
- “How can we keep our guards loyal? Drug them? Bomb collars?”
- “Maybe you could pay them and treat them with dignity and respect”
Personally I think we should start a campaign of jury nullification and “if you’re an EMT, and they’re a billionaire, let them die”, but I’m just one guy.
The current ferment in the billionaire community is that ‘starting a religion based on the family and offering marriage partners from within the family as a promise of social mobility’ is the safest method of guaranteeing loyalty, so really they’re just making micromonarchies.
Treating them ‘with dignity and respect’ isn’t going to last very long as eventually the family guards will have members that covet the family’s wealth, resources, members, and well since they are guards they have access to all the weapons. Also: almost zero billionaires have respect for anyone who is not also a billionaire.
I agree with your campaign, though I would take it a step further and suggest we should just drag them all into the street and mulch them into fertile soil so the world can begin to heal.
Yeah I think it’s impossible to treat people with dignity and respect indefinitely while also hoarding wealth like a dragon.
You think it might be??
Bro say that shit with some confidence.
Venture capital does not contribute beneficially to society.
Say it with your whole chest and both feet. Cuz it’s true.
As I said in a project call where someone was pumping up AI, this is just the latest bubble ready to pop. Everyone is dumping $$ into AI, a couple decent ones will survive but the bulk is either barely functional or just vaporware.
Isn’t that how innovation has always worked?
I feel like all this AI hate is comparable to any other innovation cycle.
Millions of light fabric and dowels wasted on crack pot “air heads” trying to design first ever flying vehicle
It sure feels like we’re at the peak of the Gartner hype cycle. If so, the bubble will pop, and we’ll end up with AI used where it actually works, not shoved into everything. In the long run, that pop could be a small blip in overall development, like the dot-com bust was to the growth of the internet, but it’s difficult to predict that while still in the middle of the hype cycle.
What I don’t get is the snobby attitude towards it though. I’ve commented else where that it has all the hallmarks of being a manufactured outrage. It has all the same earmarks of any other media driven hate fest.
Think of the logic where you are both angry that it’s useless, hateful of tech bros and still mad that they’re wasting money on it.
To me it’s just fun new thing I can play with and potentially might be something bigger might not be. But when I talk to people online it’s like I’m talking immigration or gender with Republicans. It’s all the and talking points, vitriolic statements and hate
Allow me to offer reasons why: just like the blockchain before, the usage of resources is absurd (which is infuriating) for something that barely works (which is laughable), and the tech is being pushed by the same loathable and arrogant grifters that lead us into a wall at full throttle with crypto.
I’m not just snobbing the naive optimists: I’m actually mad at them for what they’re doing to the environment.
What crypto wall? Isn’t it back up?
I’d rather have all the AI and crypto than any streaming service or social media that everyone who complains about resources seems to use freely.
To me the crypto and AI is innovation which is where I want resources to go. The other crap is recreating things we already have just with extra waste and that goes ignored and makes me feel the outrage is fake or manufactured if the logic steps over a bunch of other things to focus on the new kid on the block.
I do despise billionaires with their private jets, or owners of gigantic pickup trucks that use them to shop for groceries, and I’m not unique in that regard. I can be mad at multiple things at the same time. It’s not mutually exclusive. And it’s definitely not manufactured.
I’m not saying that you’re not. I am saying collectively these points about wasting resources is a bit much considering all the other wastes in relation to the anger those other things generate. It’s not proportional. That isn’t me saying people love it. But I am saying they do use a lot of other things that generate tremendous wastes in similar ways without care.
Im pretty confident it is manufactured. Manufactured in the same way the right despise LGQTB and immigrants. If you were too ask them if their hate was driven by other sources they say the same thing. Nobody is immune to it especially if we agree with thing. We all just go with it.
Doesn’t change that we know fox news plays a big part of some people’s opinions and views. Doesn’t mean those people are not racist or bigots to begin with. But there’s a stoking of the flames. Same here.
I think there’s more AI hate because it’s being pushed onto users that didn’t ask for it and don’t want it from the likes of Microsoft, Google and Amazon. And I think it’s warranted!
But how does that impact you?
Like when is AI being shoved into your day
Google added it to their search by default, I had to change my default search to exclude it. Same with my Android phone, I got prompted to switch from Google Assistant to Bard and declined. Really glad I did since I later read about how awful it is. Yesterday I saw a copilot icon in Teams that I have to use for work. I clicked it out of curiosity and it showed an error and then wouldn’t let me use Teams for 5 minutes. When I finally got in the copilot button was gone lol.
It’s massively easier to build a plane than a brain.
Tell that to a bronze age engineer, and they will probably respond that those two are closer to each other than they are to his best efforts. And he would probably be right.
My new job even said they are using AI. It usurb every goddamm company shoving AI features on us.
My new job said this aswell. When I got into the position I found out it was actually a machine learning model and they were trying to use it but didn’t have the time to create a clean dataset for the learning so it has never worked. This hasn’t stopped them from advertising that they are using AI.
Every company is using the same thing and calling it AI.
Yeah I mean that’s r&d 20% success is pretty strong in a new field.
Yeah. I’d love to see this compared to other R&D success rates.
I’ve been reading a book about Elizabeth Holmes and the Theranos scam, and the parallels with Gen AI seem pretty astounding. Gen AI is known to be so buggy the industry even created a euphemistic term so they wouldn’t have to call it buggy: Hallucinations.
like google search
or when looking at googlegraveyard
like google
Welcome to AI:
The hype-cycle is the exception, not the norm. Very commonly stuff just ends up dying.
I doubt AI is going to die, it’s objectively useful in many cases. We just don’t need it absofuckinglutely everywhere.
AI not, but I’d be less certain about LLMs.
In a few years either people hate AI bots so much, that products with it start losing sales, or every coffee machine will have one. Exciting times ahead.
That’s great. Like 5% more fails than regular software projects. Why do people see this as validation for AI failing? Lol
AI isn’t going to fail, LLMs are going to fail and fail spectacularly.
Expert systems are already being very effectively used in medicine and astronomy, political sentiment shifting and HFTs.
Sentiment scraping expert systems are where the real danger and profit is, but everyone is being distracted by fuckdamn chat bots.
It’s like the whole world freaking out about plastic straws when the real problem is microplastics settled in every fuckdamn organism on the planet.
Because they want it to be.
So less diversity in founders? What’s the perfect type that The Power should allow to do what they want?
I’m an AI Engineer, been doing this for a long time. I’ve seen plenty of projects that stagnate, wither and get abandoned. I agree with the top 5 in this article, but I might change the priority sequence.
Five leading root causes of the failure of AI projects were identified
- First, industry stakeholders often misunderstand — or miscommunicate — what problem needs to be solved using AI.
- Second, many AI projects fail because the organization lacks the necessary data to adequately train an effective AI model.
- Third, in some cases, AI projects fail because the organization focuses more on using the latest and greatest technology than on solving real problems for their intended users.
- Fourth, organizations might not have adequate infrastructure to manage their data and deploy completed AI models, which increases the likelihood of project failure.
- Finally, in some cases, AI projects fail because the technology is applied to problems that are too difficult for AI to solve.
4 & 2 —>1. IF they even have enough data to train an effective model, most organizations have no clue how to handle the sheer variety, volume, velocity, and veracity of the big data that AI needs. It’s a specialized engineering discipline to handle that (data engineer). Let alone how to deploy and manage the infra that models need—also a specialized discipline has emerged to handle that aspect (ML engineer). Often they sit at the same desk.
1 & 5 —> 2: stakeholders seem to want AI to be a boil-the-ocean solution. They want it to do everything and be awesome at it. What they often don’t realize is that AI can be a really awesome specialist tool, that really sucks on testing scenarios that it hasn’t been trained on. Transfer learning is a thing but that requires fine tuning and additional training. Huge models like LLMs are starting to bridge this somewhat, but at the expense of the really sharp specialization. So without a really clear understanding of what can be done with AI really well, and perhaps more importantly, what problems are a poor fit for AI solutions, of course they’ll be destined to fail.
3 —> 3: This isn’t a problem with just AI. It’s all shiny new tech. Standard Gardner hype cycle stuff. Remember how they were saying we’d have crypto-refrigerators back in 2016?
Re 1, 3 and 5, maybe it is upon the AI projects to stop providing shiny solutions looking for a problem they could solve, and properly engaging with potential customers and stakeholders to get a clear understanding of the problems that need solving.
This was precisely the context of a conversation I had at work yesterday. Some of our product managers attended a conference that was rife with AI stuff, and a customer rep actually took to the stage and said ‘I have no need for any of that because none of it helps me solve the problems I need to solve.’
I don’t disagree. Solutions finding problems is not the optimal path—but it is a path that pushes the envelope of tech forward, and a lot of these shiny techs do eventually find homes and good problems to solve and become part of a quiver.
But I will always advocate to start with the customer and work backwards from there to arrive at the simplest engineered solution. Sometimes that’s a ML model. Sometimes a ln expert system. Sometimes a simpler heuristics/rules based system. That all falls under the ‘AI’ umbrella, by the way. :D
Not to detail, but may I ask how did you become an AI Engineer? I’m a software dev by trade, but it feels like a hard field to get into even if I start training for the AI part of it, because I’d need the data to practice =(
But it’s such a big buzz word I feel like I need to start looking that direction if i want to stay employed.
For me it helps to have a project. I learned SciKit in order to analyze trading data to beat the “market”. I was focusing on crypto but there’s lots of trading data available in general. Unsurprisingly I didn’t make any money, but it was fun to learn more about data processing, statistics, and modeling with functions.
(FWIW I’m crypto-neutral depending on the topic and anti-“AI” because it doesn’t exist.)
Ha ha I got into genetic algorithms for the same reason, market prediction. Ended up exactly at zero in terms of net gains and losses - if you don’t count commissions, anyway. :(
if I want to stay employed
I think this is a little paranoid. Somebody has to handle the production models - deploying them to servers, maintaining the servers, developing the APIs and front ends that provide access to the models… I don’t think software dev jobs are going anywhere
Kaggle has some good free datasets to practice
Also in the industry and I gotta say it’s not often I agree with every damn point. You nailed it. Thanks for posting!
When did brute force switch from being an antipattern to the preferred pattern?
Any function is computable with a big enough table.
When normies angry at feeling stupid came into equation.
All those (stubbornly) computer-illiterate people - have you tried really irritating them? What they’ll say at those moments is valuable.
They will say that computing can’t be that complex. That reports on company’s activity for a year are complex, that hydroelectric stations are complex, that car engines are complex. That history of art is complex, that fashion is complex, that relationships are complex. That politics is complex, that economy is complex, that law is complex.
But computing is not, it’s just hard to do for normal people. All those freaks doing it have just built the whole industry for their own convenience. They are all openly or secretly autistic.
And now it’s too expensive to switch from their freakish computing to computing understandable for normals.
We just have to break their resistance or outsmart them or bribe some of them so that they’d remake computing the normal way. But we can’t do that immediately. It takes a lot of money, but the end result is worth it.
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This was also the reason for normies being so hell-bent on using social networks and other new shiny as opposed to what existed before them in 00s Web. Or for them being so excited about Apple. EDIT: Precisely because we, in their opinion people holding the bottleneck, collecting the Sound Toll, privileged group, some freaks, autistic children playing toys whom they can’t accept as being smarter, were advising against those.
And now they are being literally promised the computer that works without programmers! And it even does some tricks to show them it works!
If any normies are reading this, don’t feel insulted, it’s only about the dumbest of you, and also it’s not that harsh, you haven’t seen what medical professionals write about normies.
As one of those weird autists who make computing too hard who’s been using Apple products for decades I really wonder where I fit in.
As someone tired of this shit you fit in just fine, I’m only approaching that stage but can clearly feel it.
The answer is pretty simple. You are a “normie” with your own particularities, like every other human on this planet.
Don’t fall into the trap of thinking like the idiot you’re replying to that we are smarter than everybody else. In many cases, the dumb-dumbs calling the (stupid) shots are from within our ranks, or used to be techies, and that doesn’t make them immune to errors. The arrogance in the person you’re replying to is unwarranted, and they’re just plain wrong.
We’re not the chosen ones - we’re just as special as everybody else.
Oh, I have no illusions that I’m smarter than other people at their chosen profession. Hell, I’m an idiot at my chosen profession quite often.
Though I do wish people would stop calling me a “miracle worker” and “wizard” because I can get the wifi working.
I am a well educated person who uses these forums and many others with regularity and I have many opinions on tech after working in both marketing and the tech sector for a long time.
That out of the way, I will simply skip over any comment that says “normies” unironically. Especially over and over.
This isn’t fucking 4chan, communicate like a human like the rest of us. You don’t get out of being one of us. I don’t even know your take because it’s so distracting and immature and condescending.
This isn’t fucking 4chan, communicate like a human like the rest of us. You don’t get out of being one of us. I don’t even know your take because it’s so distracting and immature and condescending.
This also isn’t your office, so you don’t get to make rules.
That out of the way, I will simply skip over any comment that says “normies” unironically. Especially over and over.
Should have done that here.
EDIT: Anyway, anyone coming at me with that pretense will be called something worse than “normie”. Well educated people usually don’t try telling others how to speak.
Please be civil, and get off that high horse.
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This guy gets it.
Incel lingo is fundamentally disgusting in so many ways.It’s really funny that they have no idea how profoundly their stinksock echo chamber has shaped their writing style, you can pick out their reek pretty easily in any sane conversation.
What does the word “normie”, which is a derivative of “normal”, have to do with incels, who are a subculture of unlikable people calling themselves “involuntarily celibate” (which can’t be true if there are at least two incels near each other)?
There’s a lot to unpack but I think you aren’t being intellectually honest but that doesn’t matter.
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The label ‘incel’ was co-opted by mostly hard-right chantards, taken from an online community with VERY different ideals that modern 4chan incels. The truth is most ‘modern’ incels are actually volcels (voluntary celibates) that actively poison their own minds with misogynistic male supremacy ideology, making them a special kind of terrible partner. Think ten million Andrew Tates but broke and with worse hygiene.
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‘normie’ isn’t specifically incel speak, but rather chantard speak, of which modern incels often have their online social roots in. All Honda Civics are cars, but not all cars are Honda Civics.
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Incels are loath to fuck each other because a) most are male and homophobic, and b) they already view each other as low quality partners per definition.
OK. I know that. So?
So you should know that not many people outside of the incelsphere use the word ‘normie’ unironically anymore. Lots of other groups used to, me being a part of several, and we stopped using it to avoid association a few years back but the chantards were being so loud with it that no one noticed really.
A lot of language works like that, when you see despicable people using a phrase that you commonly use, you generally tend to stop using them. Which is why there are things like corporate slogans and bumper stickers. All branding and identity.
So people self-segregate their language by creating new in-group words and retiring common definitions and whether or not they adopt out-group slang. This creates a unique fingerprint that, if a user is mostly exclusive to that slang group, they will treat the slang as common parlance and unconsciously slip into it when interacting with out-groups.
For example, when Digg died, it was common for redditors to call out the immigrating users for their particular line spacing which wasn’t really used on reddit at the time. Same language, slightly different slang, but fundamentally different message structure.
4chan’s 2016 crowd were super adept at sniffing out incoming redditors to a degree that almost makes me envious.
So when someone uses the phrase ‘normie’ like that, they are very likely to have spent most of their social upbringing (when linguistic adoption is still plastic) on chan-adjacent incel boards.
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It doesn’t matter where it came from, if you’re steeped in this kind of language it’s a massive signpost that you’ve handicapped your own intellectual abilities in a profound way. Healthy, normal people with regulated feelings and stable perspectives grounded in reality do not frequent the communities that use this kind of language.
It’s a red flag that will always make the outside world laugh and reject what you have to say, and if your instinct is to retreat back into the places that use this language, you are going to absolutely SUFFER in life, this is a warning coming from a place of compassion, you HAVE to believe me.
I use all kinds of language when it fits my meaning.
I don’t think anything of what you said makes sense in this situation.
We need more people like you making this clear.
I saw what 4chan did to ‘the other site’, we DON’T need that shit here.
Also, as a logophile, your use of:
with regularity
absolutely makes me as giddy as a schoolgirl
My unasked for opinion on the word “normies” - there are some real weirdies out there that got wires crossed and they sure don’t revel in their undesired uniqueness. People who can’t sleep for more than 5 minutes spans (she exists), folks sexually attracted to shoe horns, bros who can’t feel pain and burn their hands touching the stove. Be happy most everything ended up where it should and working reasonably well - it’s not a badge of honor to be an anamoulos fringe anything. I imagine it is painful and assume very lonely. Also there is nothing more fucking pedestrian than feeling uniquely misunderstood and alone. THAT is some normie shit.
Superiority complex much? I agree that the decisions are bad, but I wouldn’t be so quick to blame it on “normies”. Some of the people calling the shots are techies or ex-techies and they’re just as stupid as the normies you decry in your logorrhea.
I don’t think it’s sane to consider yourself more intelligent than the rest of the world. We may be smarter than your average joe (citation needed), but not everyone working in the tech industry is a genius or even smart. We just have an area of expertise, like artists, doctors, plumbers, carpenters… And that is valuable in the modern world. That’s already reason enough to be proud about what we do, there’s no need for arrogance.
I stopped at “normies”. Lose the ego and grow up if you want people to listen to your opinions.
I stopped at “normies”.
There’s text after that sentence.
Lose the ego and grow up if you want people to listen to your opinions.
Not in your case, no
It’s mainly because when everyone saw the “oh shiny” tech at first, they rushed it out as soon as possible with intent to replace people so that they can get away with doing less through AI.
Even within a company. Saw coworkers that were trying to establish themselves as the AI pioneers and were backstabbing others get promotions based on how they could best use the ChatGPT AI.
Backstabbing your fellow coworkers over a chatbot has got to be one of the most pathetic things I’ve read recently
Your average tech hype cycle. New tech comes out, lots of marketing, people try to shove everywhere, then things settle down and the tech either fills a certain chunk of the market or some noche or it dies.
NFT, Blockchain, dot Com boom, there’s always another one
Not with all new tech, just something that shakes normies’ imagination.
Capitalism wastes money chasing new shiny tech thing
Yeah, we know. AI’s not special.
And I was always taught that capitalism allocates the resources ideally. /s
*Probably typed on a smartphone, one of the most technology-dense products ever created by humanity, currently used by over half of humanity.
This approach has never worked but I admire your devotion to it.
The market is rational, that’s why casinos have so many customers!
It might be in the volume and price of projects
