This is wild. Especially since the US separates tippable jobs.
I just looked this up. $7,25 is 6,68€
In Germany minimum wage is 12,41€ ($13,47) as of its last adjustment Jan 24. Thats f*cking DOUBLE. Further adjustments are already planned. And there is no difference between wait staff and other workers.Here the leading argument is, that one full time job on minimum wage should provide you the minimum you need to live on. You can not live on 7,25 working only 40h a week, can you?
The “best” part is any job that is paying minimum wage is going to be part time, so more like 15-30 hrs a week.
Oh, and they want you to have open availability, so they can schedule you whenever they feel like each week, with no rhyme or reason to your constantly different shifts so you can’t try to get a second job either…
There was a study a few years back showing that there isn’t a county in the country where full-time minimum wage could pay for a 1br apartment and basic necessities.
That should be the bare minimum. A full-time worker should be able to live within a reasonable proximity to their place of employment. I make 80 grand and have to drive 90 minutes to work.
Canada is us$12.50. That’s getting close to double, and we share a long border.
You wanna make almost twice more money AND pay 1% less tax for the free healthcare, then go north.
Realistically for housing to be 1/3 of your income, the minimum wage should be closer to $20/hr right now. I live in a pretty small town and most basic 1Br apartments are starting at ~$700/mo so around $1k/mo once you factor in utilities. If we round the numbers a bit, 3000/160=18.75 so housing would be a bit less than 1/3 of gross income, and noticeably less than 1/3 of the person’s income after taxes and insurance.
The abysmal wages compared to the cost of living are why micro-financing (“Buy now pay later”) is a thing now
…ideally, minimum wage should be set per-county at three times one standard deviation below the mean housing cost…
(3 * ((600 SF * σ $/SF) * FHA 30-Year Mortgage)) / 2080
but inflation!!!
For the love of god, increase it to something reasonable then implement yearly increases based on inflation so that I never have to hear about this again.
This or tie it to the average government wage of a member of Congress, they get a raise and the people get a raise.
Tie minimum wage to GDP/GNP, inflation, etc.
Tie congressional salaries to be a fixed multiple of minimum wage.
If congress wants more money, they have to make everyone’s situation better.
They would slash their own salaries to $7.25 or less and enjoy the usual net pay raises from their billionaire donors and stock increases as a reward for keeping it that way.
And voters will cheer them on for being so selfless and suffering with the common man.
CT actually does the annual increase based on inflation thing. It’s at $15.60-something currently I believe. It can be done.
That’s the best thing that can be negotiated in a collective agreement, after that you can finally work on negotiating things that aren’t salary related.
For reference, the cost of living doubles every 25 to 30 years. $7.25 in 2024 is worth less than $5 in 2009 money. Less than the $5.15 that was the previous minimum wage.
…IN… AMERICA.
do you people really forget about the other 200 nations?
I mean it’s NPR: an American public radio news outfit.
Why the fuck would they be concerned with the minimum wage in Tanzania?
Strike that, that’s actually precisely something NPR would probably cover lol.
So put it in the post that it’s only for that country? Lol
American exceptionalism at its best!
No
I don’t ask for articles about German politics to specifically say it’s about Germany, usually the German gives that away.
Your inability to pick up on context clues does not entitle you to compensation by everyone else.
New to Lemmy. Mb. Where can I find international politics?
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Literally the first sentence in this community’s sidebar
If you’re going to be pedantic, at least be correct. America is an entire continent, with over 30 countries. You’re referring only to the United States of America, a single country.
True dat!
Put a little asterisk after that number, a lot of employees who earn tips can be paid even less.
I see this mentioned a lot - and it’s not technically true I don’t think. If tips do not push their pay above the minimum wage per time worked, then they do in fact get paid out at minimum wage. Not that I’m here to defend a
$7.75$7.25 minimum wage - that’s an obvious problem. But AFAIK, a server who did terrible in tips is still taking$7.75$7.25/hr home at the end of the pay period.But their employer isn’t paying them minimum wage, regardless.
It’s kind of a semantics argument I guess. Their employer is ensuring that they are taking home no less than minimum wage - because they are paying them up to minimum wage as necessary.
To properly address this would require fully overhauling our tipping culture and laws around pay for tipped workers, which sounds great to me as a consumer. But if you ask a waiter or bartender, many would MUCH rather leave things the way they are, because they make an absolute killing and taking 100% of pay from their employer would result in a substantial pay cut.
Their employer is ensuring that they are taking home no less than minimum wage
You are assuming their employer is on the up and up. If they are not willing to pay them AT LEAST minimum wage, what makes you think they are going to make up the difference?
Retirement homes constantly have this issue regarding their wait staff. The servers you want to hire won’t work there because they don’t get tips. We started our servers at like $16/hr and could still only ever get high school and college kids, or people who were retired or needed a second job part-time.
I was a cook at a restaurant chain at Christmas one year. Waiter and I worked identical shifts, and were walking to our cars at the same time. He mentioned how excited he was that he’d made $300 in just cash tips that day. I told him I worked the same amount of hours and only got about $90 after taxes. I asked if he felt he worked over $200 harder than I did that day, and he dropped the subject.
My point being: wait staff and bartenders make too much from their tips that they don’t want them to go away. As someone who was always working on the line and only got 2 tips over the course of a decade-long cooking career… I can’t say I blame them.
Alternative fix: make the minimum wage an actual minimum wage regardless of tips. Let the market sort itself out from there.
I don’t disagree. But for the sake of playing devils advocate a bit - restaurants already take YEARS to achieve profitability because costs are so high. If you suddenly triple all of your wait staff’s salaries, small, local restaurants making good faith efforts to operate ethically would probably be the ones to suffer.
And yet - I’ve heard that if McDonald’s were to pay employees $15/hr, because of economies of scale, it would raise the cost of a burger by mere pennies.
So if your local mom and pop’s can’t afford to operate now, and all you’re left with is Chili’s and Olive Garden and McDonald’s who priced them out of business with capital investment and economies of scale, mom and pop go away and all we’re left with is the corporate garbage. And when the competition is dead, prices will steady climb. Meanwhile, those m&p restaurants all have waiters now making $0/ hour.
I’m not an economist. Obviously. And maybe it wouldn’t be so dire. It just feels like “let the market sort itself out” would work great for the CEOs and not anybody else. I haven’t seen the market self correct for my benefit in years. But in our failing capitalist society, I think there are about a thousand ways the worker and the consumer end up fucked either way.
If you suddenly triple all of your wait staff’s salaries, small, local restaurants making good faith efforts to operate ethically would probably be the ones to suffer.
So how do restaurants outside the US that do not rely on the patrons paying their staff survive?
That’s truly inhumane. Even when I was a server - not America - I was paid the same wage as a line cook of similar experience.
And Republicans are arguing to pay disabled people and children less.
K first part is bad but why are CHILDREN even part of the conversation
I think diisabled people can already get paid less, if they are receivingstate assistance. I don’t know how it works, but I had a retarded family member who lived in PA and he made like 1.25 an hour, which is still below minimum wage since this was nearly 2 decades ago. I know he received assistance in various ways, but it just seemed wrong.
You could have phrased it better but this is still true. There are employers who get money from the government who essentially give handicap people busy work and filed trips for a couple bucks per week. There’s even “assembly” roles they can get for like $1/assembly (roles like putting screws in bags).
They don’t make less just because they’re paid less by their employer. The minimum wage of how much they actually make is the same.
And as a result, servers in the US make a lot more than line cooks of similar experience. That wage gap is a source of frustration for cooks.
And as a result, servers in the US make a lot more than line cooks of similar experience.
That’s heavily variable on where you work. High end restaurants with more expensive menu items and generous tippers pay better than the Sunday Service Waffle House crowd.
And different restaurants tip out differently. More egalitarian venues tend to pool tips, so line cooks get a slice of the tip out at the end of the day.
More egalitarian venues tend to pool tips, so line cooks get a slice of the tip out at the end of the day.
Federal minimum wage law requires that if front of house tips are pooled to be distributed to kitchen staff (who aren’t traditionally tipped), then front of house must first be paid at least minimum wage pre-tip. So that kind of restaurant, while becoming more popular, isn’t exactly the type of restaurant in the discussion when we talk about servers being paid less than minimum wage before tips.
Sure. All staff must be paid a minimum wage under the federal guidelines. The catch is that tipped income goes to meet that wage obligation, which means they have to get paid to the minimum first under law.
But (a) wage theft in the US is rampant, with tipped workers routinely being underpaid or shorted by non-compliant management. And (b) even under the guidelines, min wage is a pittance. You can’t survive on $7.25/hr in a normal 40 hr work week.
So even if employers are compliant (which they’re often not), you’re talking about people trying to live on $14k/year in a country where apartments rents bottom out at the $6-8k/year range in the slums and even the meagerest grocery bills easily run into $4-5k/year range in the wake of inflation. Nevermind utilities, transport, health care, clothing, etc.
Utterly unsustainable.
I worked in damn near every type of kitchen, from restaurant to banquet hall to school to what have you. None of them tipped out the kitchen because of the laws and guidelines around all of it. And the one that DID tip out the kitchen, they would only schedule up to 32 hours/week or whatever to avoid paying health insurance benefits, and your pay was $3+ dollars less than competing restaurants in the area an hour because “you’ll make it up in tips.”
And the tips would’ve been split between all staff, so your share is a lot less than what the servers would get individually. And the entire time you’re going to hear or fight with servers who don’t think its fair they have to split their tips with the kitchen. I’ve heard it: “Why should I? They were my tables and I did all the work?!”
I even watched a cook one night welcome a server to come back in the kitchen and do his job while he went out and did hers. When she said she didn’t know how to cook, he responded, “Huh… All of us on the line could do your job, right now, but none of you could do ours… And you deserve all the tip money because…” 😂
Hasn’t it been 25 years? I could have sworn that happened in 2000
By memory Obama largely raised the federal minimum wage to match many state minimum wages in 2009
$7.25 in 2009 is worth $10.62 today. $4.95 in 2009 is worth $7.25 today.
In effect, the value of federal minimum wage has decreased by 31% in the last 15 years, since a dollar today only buys 69% of what it did in 2009, on average (as defined by the consumer price index)
If you could buy 69 for a dollar Id know about it.
I do wonder if trying for $15 is just asking too much. Maybe a compromise at $10.62 to restore what it used to be, is all we can hope for at the moment.
Coward.
Maybe it’s the old parable about leading a horse to water …… minimum wage earners in my state already make at least $15/hr. If people in flyover states keep voting against their own best interests, who am I to fight that?
The minimum wage was supposed to be the absolute minimum a person could be paid in order to live. It’s not an excuse to pay employees starvation wages. No one, and I mean absolutely no one, can survive being paid $11 an hour in today’s economy (much less the $7.25 it is now). That is why nearly every liberal state has independently moved their minimum to at least $15/hr if not more.
Including. Mine, but that leaves out almost half the states. Sometimes politics is about compromise, and a compromise to at least restore purchasing power is better than a living wages ideal that never happens
That’s defeatist thinking. The fact of the matter is that the Democratic party needs to get much better at their messaging. Right now far too many people think that higher minimum wage would completely disrupt business across the board. And that’s because the Republicans have been propagandizing that idea for the last three decades. We need to counter that argument and we have facts on our side but they need to be couched in something other than a finger wagging liberal politician on television or at a podium.
At this point, peer pressure should be sufficient. I just read here 30 states have higher than the federal minimum wage, so how does that not translate into a 60% vote for at least whichever of those 30 is lowest?
Do not underestimate the power of media control. The corporations own not just the conservative media outlets but the so-called liberal ones as well.
“Rose.”
$7.25 was unlivable 15 years ago.
And by the time we get a $15/hr minimum wage, a living wage in any state worth living in will be $75/hr.
Which is exactly why I hated the “fight for fifteen” slogan… Great you got your $15 in some states 15 years later and now that’s worthless.
Second Bill of Rights. Unpack the supreme court, get a super majority in all branches of government and make it law.
Unpacking it takes on a whole new implication now that the President only has one way to force someone off the court.
Actually, the Supreme Court just handed the President a whole new way of getting rid of them… Legally arresting and possibly even executing them if that President so chooses to make such acts official.
you can also add to the courts. it’s been done before. there’s not just one option to rebalance.
You should have gone to school, you could’ve learned a trade But you laid in the bed where the bums have laid Now all the time you’re crying that you’re underpaid It’s like that (what?) and that’s the way it is Huh!
I love how this comment is getting voted down - truth hurts 😅😂
Implying that laziness is the only possible cause for being on minimum wage isn’t truth.
It is so much easier placing the blame on “the system” rather than on the individual not raking responsibility for their lot. For the vast majority of cases you’re on £7 p/h because fundamentally you deserve to be. The market doesn’t reward failure or lack of ambition.
It’s a BIG factor…poor academic attainment is the driving force behind the majority of minimum wage jobs. If you’re smart and have drive you don’t work for $7 p/h.
Say that’s true. Do you then actually believe that if you’re not smart or you “don’t have drive,” you somehow deserve to be unhoused or starve, to be unable to access healthcare?
I’m all for people improving their lives, but as a baseline I just don’t believe that certain people deserve the consequences of horrible poverty just because they didn’t or couldn’t perform academically.
Also what’s the justification for having a system that allows employers to exploit workers by paying poverty wages while materially benefiting from that labor?
The question fundamentally misunderstands the nature of human existence and the principles of a free society. No one deserves to starve or be unhoused, but reality does not cater to mere desires or needs. The essence of survival and prosperity lies in an individual’s ability to think, produce, and trade value for value.
Those who are not smart or lack drive must still be responsible for their own lives. A free society offers opportunities for all, but it does not guarantee outcomes regardless of effort or ability. The moral and practical basis of capitalism is that each individual must earn their way through rational thought and productive work.
It is not the role of employers to ensure the well-being of their workers beyond the agreed-upon exchange of labor for wages. Employers do not exploit workers; they offer them opportunities. Workers are free to accept these terms or seek better ones elsewhere. The notion of “poverty wages” ignores the individual’s responsibility to improve their skills and increase their value in the marketplace.
Workers are de facto responsible for creating the opportunities that employers gate keep. Employers violate workers’ inalienable rights. The workers are de facto responsible for using up inputs to produce outputs, but the employer gets sole legal responsibility for the positive and negative results of production. This violates the principle that legal and de facto responsibility should match.
No one is responsible for creating land. Landlords deny everyone’s equal claim to land
Your assertion that employers violate workers’ inalienable rights by controlling opportunities does not align with the principles of a free society… Employers provide opportunities through their legitimate ownership of capital and resources, and workers voluntarily agree to the terms of employment. This voluntary exchange is a fundamental aspect of a free market. Legal and de facto responsibilities are aligned through voluntary contracts, and any perceived imbalance does not justify infringing on property rights.
As for landlords and land, the legitimate acquisition and ownership of property are central to individual liberty. If landlords have acquired land through just means, they have the right to control its use. The idea of equal claims to land undermines the principles of justice in acquisition and transfer of holdings. Historical injustices in acquisition should be rectified, but this does not negate the current rights of property owners.
Aww it thinks it’s people!
Put it out of its misery.
“it’s not my fault Jack it’s someone else’s”
Congratulations, centrists. You showed those workers.
This was Kamala Harris’ key issue in her own words. After the first month it was forgotten, and shit libs continue to blame sinema and manchen
You mean the two that voted against raising the minimum wage? Gee i wonder why.
Ok, you’re right. There’s nothing they could have done.
Unless it involves raising the military budget or giving more money and weapons to Israel. We can ALWAYS fight for the things we really care about
I’m not a fan of everything they did but dude… That’s a ridiculous undersell.
It was more than two
Well yes. But evildo and evildee were always on the scene of the crime.
Well jeez the two people who left the party were against it a couple years ago, better never bring it up again.
We need to stop looking at minimum wage as a set number across the country, It creates a wage disparity for the working class. A livable wage in Alabama would not be a livable wage in California, a livable wage in California would be an insane wage in a place like Alabama.
The minimum wage needs to be directly tied with median housing costs either at the state level or at the county level. The wage needs to be set where housing would only comprise of a max of 30% of income. So at 30% if the median rent is $2000 per month, the livable wage in that area would be set at about $6700 a month, or about $42 an hour. This would help control housing costs as well as keep wages livable.
Oof. Rent is easily there in my city. And the minimum wage is… Umm… Not.
That’s why the 2 should be connected
I don’t know if tying it to something that’s inflated above core inflation is a good idea. I think the better approach is to reduce the cost of housing.
It should reduce that artificial inflation
I’m not sure how it would do that.
Under pressure from employers. If their labor costs are directly tied to the cost of housing there would be pressure to keep housing costs low. In turn still keeping wages livable
Have you met an American corporation? They don’t care about the plight of other companies or corporations. In fact that’s just a weakness to be exploited.
The only thing I could see this doing is giving us cost push inflation. It’s true that moderate increases don’t increase inflation but quadrupling it would absolutely create inflation. Especially in the middle of the country.
Suppose that happens. What’s stopping the landlords from just raising their rents then? Can the government control housing costs? Is it even possible in a “free” economy?
The government wouldn’t need to control housing. Landlords would be under pressure from other companies to keep housing low so their wage costs remain as low as possible.
Minimum wage in California is $16. Berkeley it is $18.67
The median required minimum livable wage in California for a single person with no children, according to MIT living wage calculator is $27.32
Even if it does get increased to $18, it’s not livable.
No where near a livable wage
Regardless, nobody can live on 7.25
I acknowledge that, but people keep quitting a specific number and specific numbers don’t work across the nation. Because of varied COL. Minimum wage should be tied to a major COL item like housing
Thank God there’s been no inflation since then, or people might be struggling!
I remember the McDonald’s I worked at gave everyone raises right before minimum wage went up to 7.25 to make it seem like it was their choice.
I was struggling to make ends meet back then. I had a shitty car and tiny apartment with a roommate and just scraped by. No fucking clue how people are making it work today. I have a decent job now and I’m still just scraping by.
We need unions.
You really really do. I don’t mean to target you personally here. This is meant for everyone reading:
If you have time to hang out on Lemmy, then you have a couple mins looking up what unions the industry you’re in has or is trying to setup.
Just learn, I’m not even asking that anyone do anything… but if you know more about the situation where you live, maybe you can help people.
No corpo is gonna do it for you. It’s workers for workers.
they aren’t. tens of thousands of homeless people in just cali alone.
