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- politics@lemmy.world
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- politics@lemmy.world
I am aware that this is one of those things that is so radically out of step with the media narrative that people will come in my comments and say “lol pure copium” “what on earth are you smoking to say something so wrong” “what you are DELUDED how can you even say something that is so RADICALLY DIFFERENT from what the New York Times assured me of”
All I can say is, you are welcome to. We don’t discriminate. Feel free to cite other polls including the ones that ask Trump voters as well as Biden voters whether Biden is too old to be president and other entertaining things other than who they’re going to vote for.
Also, yes, the debate was a pure horrifying shit show. So is getting convicted of 24 felonies, or electing the guy who wants to kill protestors and abolish the Department of Education, and contraception, and the EPA and NOAA, and deploy the military against protestors, and a wide variety of other things that are literally too extreme to list without boring everyone and making me sounding like a crazy person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
you are welcome
If you have a credible plan for how to achieve a third result, let’s fuckin have it.
I am completely serious. I want to replace Biden with Jon Stewart, because that is the most confidence inducing thing I can come up with and seems at least as likely as all kinds of crazy unrealistic shit I am hearing and at least carries the advantage that if it did happen, I feel like I could relax quite a bit about what the election is going to result in. But if you have something more realistic, which wouldn’t be hard, let’s have it.
ITs a false dillema dude.
Kamala, Michelle Obama, as you said, Jon Stewart.
The bench is deep with better options and we haven’t had a convention.
here is the fucking plan: the democratic party leadership and biden administration will stop trying to perpetrate fraud on american voters by intentionally hiding health state of current president (because as of right now it is pretty clear that is what they are doing), will stop acting like a mafia, start acting like a DEMOCRATIC party and organize primaries. how about that?
Okay, so significantly less likely than Jon Stewart. Got it. Well, if that’s all you’ve got on offer, I plan to shrug my shoulders and vote for the guy who doesn’t want to kill or deport me, and I would recommend that others do and advocate the same.
Biden winning this campaign against Trump in bis current condition is looking about as likely as Biden choosing to step down and Stewert stepping into electoral politics
yeah, lets vote for demented grandpa who doesn’t remember his own name, because… checks notes… democracy is so unlikely people should just give up 😆
Therrrrre it is
I kinda had a feeling that was where this was going.
Yes. He’s not demented, but even if he was, yes. Vote for Biden, or Kamala Harris, or fuckin Daffy Duck if that’s who’s on the ballot on the other side of Trump.
Reforming the Democrats so they are not so shit also sounds like a great idea, just unlikely to me to happen in the next few months. But in the meantime, yes. If a bucket of ranch dressing was running as the nominee in November, I would plan to vote for the bucket, because it doesn’t plan to do any mass deportations or have the military seize the voting machines to prevent any improvement of the system in the future that you just claimed is your hope to achieve with all of this.
that’s what the debate is about since the debate (pun intended), but good on you for having a feeling, you just discovered the true meaning of xmas, detective 😂
yes, it would be lot of work in short time, that is not the reason not to do it.
problem is that bucket might win, biden will likely lose.
If our options are third party or we lose democracy then we’ve already lost democracy and we’re just now figuring it out.
Agreed. It’s the horrifying realization I’ve been coming to terms with these last 4 years.
We have, to a large functional extent. Democracy requires a free enough press that people can determine what’s going on, which they currently can’t.
I fail to see how making every aspect of that problem exponentially worse by letting Trump come to power will fix it. Are you under the impression that Trump will have the military seize the voting machines and run the 2028 election, but that third parties will then still be a viable alternative?
I really think it could make sense to pass the torch to Kamala. It’s not perfect, but she can talk in complete sentences. Her debate performances were bad, but I remember she completely ragdolled Biden in the first '20 primary debate. She doesn’t have a lot to her that’s good, but she also doesn’t have a lot of baggage. So, she’s kind of a nothingburger, which could be good depending on your angle. She’s still a really conservative left choice who should be able to appeal to the apparently very large auth center segment of the party and to undecided voters. It also makes sense because she’s Biden’s VP. It would be a very easy sell to say “I’ve reviewed everything with friends, family, and peers, and we’ve decided that it’s the right thing for both me and the country to step back and concede leadership to the Vice President.” Then, they just have to pick a VP, which is much more of a triviality.
Do I wish the democrats had used even like two seconds of foresight and spent the last four years prepping Kamala for this moment? Yes, of course, but we’ve got to work with what we’ve got, and as it was, Biden went up on stage with a shotgun, said “heads up, chucklefuck”, and blew his own leg off in front of the whole country. I firmly believe Kamala can do better than that.
Biden steps aside and literally anyone else becomes the third option. Like, do they automatically win? No, but it’s a third option. This whole debate is about the third option, and those pathways are being talked about by Democratic elected officials, not randos on message boards. It’s a real option, so calling that a false dilemma is entirely correct.