A ephebophile is a older adult who are sexually attracted to 15 and 19.
It really grinds my gears that society doesn’t have a problem with a 18 year old having consensual sex with a 17-year-old. Even though the 18 year old is an adult and the 17 year old is a minor. But if 26 year old has consensual sex with a 18 year old. Ah then society has a problem. But why should that be a problem? When both actions are completely harmless as long as both people are consenting adults.
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I think that arguments of the form “X is/isn’t moral” tend to be difficult to make. And with sexual social norms, particularly so.
In general, I think that most social norms related to sex are more-or-less arbitrary.
I have a really hard time imagining a society where across-the-board murder is simply acceptable functioning. It just creates too many issues for society to function. Maybe you could have dueling or something like that, the pater familias causing certain forms of infanticide in the Roman tradition, maybe some kinds of euthanasia, but some kind of restrictions are just required to have a society. You can’t find historical civilizations where it was just okay to outright do anyone else in.
But when it comes to sex, societies have had different views on polygamy, polygany, incest (of different forms), sex below certain different ages, homosexuality, bestiality, prostitution, pretty much you name it. Maybe there were some issues that they created, but some society made it work all right.
But thing is, society teaches people a set of social norms, and I think that with sex, those tend to be axiomic. Like, someone who objects to bestiality probably isn’t going to say that they find bestiality to be wrong because it violates some other moral precept. It’s pretty unlikely that someone says “sex with sheep is problematic because it might lead to spread of prions-based disease”. They’re simply going to treat it wrong in-and-of-itself. It’s wrong because they’re taught directly that it is a social norm that it’s wrong.
If you think that something is wrong or undesirable because of some other consequence that it has, then maybe someone can try and make a case as to how it interacts with that consequence. But…you can’t really reason someone into a different set of values if the particular sex act is the root value there. If, in someone’s eyes, homosexuality is immoral because homosexuality is immoral, saying “homosexuality is moral” doesn’t do a whole lot by way of convincing them.
Maybe you can show inconsistency between two values that someone holds, and they’re put in a situation where they have to pick one or the other.
Anytime I hear ‘it’s not pedophilia, it’s ephebophilia’ I just walk away from the conversation because it’s not going to get better.
Because a pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to pre pubescent children. If a 14 year old is sexually attracted to a 8 year old then by definition that 14 year old is a pedophile.
Both pedophilia and ephebophilia are completely different things
Pedophilia is immoral because pre pubescent children do not know the long term ramifications of sex which make it impossible for them to consent to sex.
Ephebophilia on the other hand is not immoral as long as it’s between consenting adults.
Why do you want to fuck kids so bad? Why are you so determined to convince everyone that fucking kids is “moral” unless that’s what you want to do?
Ephebophilia is NOT, by definition, adults having sex with adults.
Thats the wrong definition of ephebophilia you idiot. Ephebophilia is when an older adult is sexually attracted to post-pubescent teenagers or adolescents but still biologically adults—usually those in the age range 15–19.Adults with this attraction are called ephebophiles. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia#:~:text=sexual preference characterized by sexual,the age range 15–19.
I only want to be in casual sexual relationship with 18 and 19 year old woman because 18 and 19 year old woman are both adults and they’re hot as fuck.
But I will never have sex with a 17-year-old woman because I believe any adult that has sex with in minors is immoral. Even if the age of consent is 16 in most parts of the world. Because I believe adults should only have sex with other adults and minors should only have sex with other minors that are close to their age of course. Because obliviously a 15 year old having sex with a 9 year old is a pedophile and is immoral.
lol, the APA is certainly a more credible source than Wikipedia, and you’re just cherry-picking a definition that doesn’t make you sound like a kiddie-fucker.
I only want to be in casual sexual relationship with 18 and 19 year old woman because 18 and 19 year old woman are both adults and they’re hot as fuck.
That’s obviously not true, for if it were, you wouldn’t be trying so hard to convince everyone here that it’s ok to fuck kids.
Again I have always said that ephebophilia between two consenting adults is not morally wrong. For example if I a 26 year man want to have sex with a 18 year old woman then I don’t think it’s morally wrong for me to do that because me and her are both consenting adults.
But ephebophilia between an adult and a minor is morally wrong. For example if a 26 year old man has sex with a 17-year-old woman. I would consider that to be immoral because I believe adult should never have sex with minors. Even if the age of consent is 16 in most parts of the world. It is morally wrong in my opinion.
Again I have always said that ephebophilia between two consenting adults
you’re not entitled to your own facts.
cherry-picking a different definition from google just because you want to engage in rationalizing fucking children doesn’t magically make it acceptable or “moral”. you’re just engaging in mental gymnastics to make what you’re doing sound like you don’t want to fuck kids, when everything else you describe is you wanting to fuck children.
get help
You’re seriously an idiot. In the OP clearly say that ephebophilia between two consenting adults is not morally wrong .
Well, this just screams: “I want to fuck kids! WHY WONT YOU LET ME FUCK KIDS!”
You may wanna twist a word in order to rationalize it, but it’s still fucking disgusting and wrong, because you’re ignoring the sexual power dynamics between the two people and how the younger person can easily been manipulated by the older person, because younger person simply is too young to understand them and will easily fall victim to the older person.
gross
But 18 and 19 year olds are not kids you idiot they are both legally considered an adult in most parts of the world. Obviously I would never have sex with 16 and 17 year old woman because they both considered minors which makes it morally wrong for me to have sex with them because I’m an adult.
Well, an assumed connection between legality and morality is perhaps part of the disconnect.
Having sex with 16 and 17 year olds is not morally wrong *simply because they are legally considered minors and you an adult.
Having sex with 16 and 17 year olds is considered morally wrong, by some, because the state of their mental maturity is often far below that of an adult even 5 years older. Consider the biological “growth” of the human brain; having not fully developed, their behavioral maturity follows suit. This means their ability to reason, their ability to act in their own best interest, is less than your own. At a certain level of disparity, this imbalance is usually considered “taking advantage” of someone. Asking them to do things they have less an ability to understand than yourself starts to look a lot like coercion.
*ETA
But 18 and 19 year olds are not kids you idiot they are both legally considered an adult in most parts of the world
But you’re still ignoring the huge difference in power dynamic. Unless you want that, in which case I can’t see how you could call that moral.
Obviously I would never have sex with 16 and 17 year old woman because they both considered minors which makes it morally wrong for me to have sex with them because I’m an adult.
Since you still struggle with the morality of the sexual power dynamics of having sexual relationships with those too young to understand the concept, it’s clear that it’s not any sense of morality stopping you— it’s the legality.
I have no doubt you’d fuck kids if you didn’t fear the legal consequences.
So the question remains: why do you wanna fuck kids so bad, and why do you think fucking kids is moral?
In canada a 16 year old can legally consent to sex with whoever they want as long as the person that they are having sex with is not an authority figure to them.
But I still think it’s morally wrong for me to have sex with 17 year old woman because they’re a minor and I’m an adult and I believe any adult that has sex with minors is immoral.
After everything you’ve said, I don’t believe that you wouldn’t fuck a kid, and that it’s only fear of legal consequences that stops you. For now.
Kiddie fucker.
“woman” … “minor” …pick 1 pedo
its about mental maturity. to ignore that is to highlight your own inability to act as a mature adult.
But I’m not talking about dating. I’m just talking about a having a causal sexual relationship with a 18 year old woman. If a 18 year old woman wants to be in a casual sexual relationship with me then. Why should society shame me by call me a sexual predator and a pedophile for it. When me and her are both literally consenting adults.
Also what is an Immature adult in your opinion?
Does me being a full-time construction worker living in my 1 bedroom condo playing video games all day, cooking my own meals and paying my bills on time mean that I’m a Immature adult?
If you’re 25+ and want to have a sexual relationship with someone that’s 18 (or younger, which is actually what you’re talking about), it means that you’re an immature adult yes, and it also means that you’re probably attracted to children. Don’t be a pedo.
The majority of 25 year olds I know would not mind being with an 18 year old. Why pretend it’s not like that?
Calling the 18 year olds children is just trying to make it sound like it wouldnt matter of they are 14 or 18. It matters very much to any normal person.
If you don’t believe me, ask any 18 year old girl who wears tight clothes, what age are the guys looking at her body when she walks around? And then you don’t have to trust me.
It’s biology, you can’t change that with political correctness…
If you don’t believe me, ask any 18 year old girl who wears tight clothes, what age are the guys looking at her body when she walks around?
First off, it’s not okay for that to be happening in the first place. Just because it happens doesn’t make it okay. Secondly, I guarantee that these same men look at 15-17 year olds the same way. Do you really think that they’re asking ages before checking them out? This is not a good argument. It’s hilarious that you’re also speaking for women, when you clearly are not one.
It’s biology, you can’t change that with political correctness…
This isn’t about political correctness, this is about not being a pedophile or an otherwise creepy little man. There’s a thing called self control and self discipline, you know? We’re intelligent creatures, it’s biology, after all.
But me only want to have sex with 18 and 19 year old woman makes me a ephebophile by definition.
A Pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to pre pubescent children. For example if 15 year old has sex with a 9 year old then that 15 year old is a pedophile by definition.
Both ephebophilia and pedophilia are two completely different things you idiot.
only regarding the specific rage of ages of the kids you want to fuck: adolescent vs preadolescent children.
So you think a 18 year old woman is a child because if you do you’re an idiot.
A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be “attacking a straw man”.
Bro you the one that using strawman agurements. In the OP I clearly say that ephebophilia between two consenting adults is not morally wrong.
So do you think a 26 year old man being sexually attracted to a 18 or 19 your woman is not a ephebophile?
No, you’re talking About ephobephilia, which is fucking kids. It’s even in the title of your post and in the comment of your post if you weren’t talking about fucking kids, you wouldn’t have mentioned it.
(Age / 2) + 7 is your answer.
A 26 year old shouldn’t be with someone younger than 20.
This is a guideline, but it’s generally correct. Especially until around 25 for the youngest partner, the problem comes down to maturity and the potential power dynamics at play due to that lack of mental maturity.
This does mean that an 18 year old can be with a 16 year old, and it’s perfectly fine as they may have roughly the same mental maturity.
I completely disagree with that I think a 18 year old having sex with a 16-year-old is immoral because I believe any adult that has sex with minors is immoral.
But a 26 year old man having sex with a 18-year-old old woman is not morally wrong because they’re both literally consenting adults. So what they’re doing is completely harmless.
I think you’re stuck on the legal definition of an adult.
Some countries have people become adults at 16, some at 18 and some at 21. 18 is meaningless beyond the laws in place and the legal punishments given to those who break the laws.
Many other reprehensible acts are legal, such as firing people for their ethnicity or gender identity in the US, or running a payday loan scheme.
You need to look at it from the perspective of brain development and power dynamics rather than from a legal or subjective point of view.
Intercourse with someone below your level of mental maturity is morally reprehensible due to the mental harm it may cause to the younger person, and them being unable to consent properly due to the power dynamics of the older partner having more money, more maturity, more status, etc. The younger individual may become dependent on the more mature individual, further driving the negative power dynamic.
So if a 45 year old man has sex with a 25 year old woman you consider that to be immoral even though the are both consenting adults?
Because I don’t care about power dynamics or maturity levels. In my opinion as long as both people are consenting adults which 18 year olds are in Canada and in most parts of the world then I do not think it’s morally wrong for me to be in casual sexual relationship with a 18 year old woman because me and her are both consenting adults. So what we are doing is completely harmless.
I could legally have sex with a 16-year-old woman if I want to because the age of consent is 16 in canada. But I still choose not to do that because I believe it’s morally wrong for adults to have sex with minors.
I believe it’s morally wrong for adults to have sex with minors.
no you don’t
Ephebophiles are not immoral
yet…
I said ephebophilia between two consenting adults is not morally wrong you idiot.
If a 26 year old man is only sexually attracted to 18 and 19 year old women then by definition they’re an ephebophile you idiot.
I said ephebophilia between two consenting adults
but your post title is
Ephebophiles are not immoral
ephebophelia cannot exist between adults because
Because I don’t care about power dynamics or maturity levels.
You do understand that what you’re saying here is that you choose to completely disregard whether something has been proven to harm others so long as it’s legal or you subjectively do not object to it?
You’ll make a great abuser, please never go into a relationship.
I believe any adult that has sex with minors is immoral.
Then why do you keep trying to convince everyone here of the opposite?
Culture and law aside, I think the real fear is that there’s a power imbalance that makes it questionably consensual, if you actually have such a relationship.
I kinda don’t want to respond since maybe I say something that is misconstrued, so let me preface by saying this: Please don’t fuck or engage sexually in any way with teens.
I get the attraction since that’s the period human hormones go crazy, but that should fade over time in my opinion. As you get older that age group will appear more and more like what they are, kids. 18 is barely out of high school in most cases. You should also avoid being around them since proximity has an effect on attraction.
Development is complex so I understand there are maturity arguments that can be made on a case by case basis, at least in theory, but in practice, it’s just not worth it. More than likely you will hurt someone that thought they were mature but didn’t fully understand something. At worst you will ruin their life and your own.
OP has no interest in getting genuine answers to their question, they simply want people to agree with them.
Their response will be something along the lines of “Well I don’t object to it” or “It’s legal so it’s not wrong”.
The reason why I don’t care about power dynamic and maturity levels is because I don’t think those are vaild reason as to why ephebophilia between two consenting adults is morally wrong.
Because those things can applies to all relationships.
For example if I a 26 year old man want to be in a casual sexual relationship with a 46 year old woman who is more mature, smarter and makes more money than me. Then I don’t think what she is doing is morally wrong because me and her are both consenting adults.
I believe that as long as both people who are engaging in sexual activity with eachother are both consenting adults then it is not morally wrong in my opinion even If the older adult is more mature, smarter and makes more money than the younger adult.
A 17 year old and an 18 year old are only a year apart in maturity. It’s essentially comparable to a 17 and 16 year old. 2 years apart starts to get gray as far as morality goes. I’m against 16 and 19, but i can imagine extremely remote cases where it might be acceptable, but that is stretching my objective capabilities. 16 and 20 is too far. As you get closer to 25 and the brain is fully developed, the margins get wider.
For instance, 18 and 22? That goes back to stretching it. 19 and 23? Back to morally Grey. 20 and 24? Fine.
Ephebophelia definitions are meant to cast a wide net to protect as many people as possible. Just get over it for societies greater good.
