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Oh shit, skipping the hell that is II
It was predictable that this would get delayed to an election year… but at least fucking finally!!!
Well, just look at lemmy users around anything Biden related. No matter what, you’ll get people only talking about Gaza, and disregard all of the other good his administration has done for the 3.5 years they have been working.
This is why politicians wait for the popular, easy wins until its campaigning time. People have a short memory, and it’s always whatever the last big news story is that drives voters.
I’m so sorry that GENOCIDE is close to the worst thing to support/do.
all the downvotes this comment is getting is making me wonder if all or most of the genocides in the past were allowed to happen because it was politically easier to ignore them during their time for some other higher priority goal.
if that’s true, it speaks volumes that we no longer remember what that other goal is but continue to perpetuate genocides while simultaneously abhorring it and that it feels a lot like other bizarre social practices like war or prejudices were we also perpetuate them while also simultaneously abhor them.
BS, they’re ignored when you insert them into arbitrary conversations to provoke a reaction
- “Americans will always do the right thing - after exhausting all other options” - Winston Churchill
“Winston Churchill once famously observed that Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else.”
Langworth has combed through millions of words written by and about Churchill and found no evidence that the former prime minister ever said that about America.
You’re not really in a position to be criticizing people for lack of evidence, Jesus.
…Really dude? God r/Atheism has migrated to Lemmy it seems.
The guy’s name isn’t even a religious statement, judging from his avatar he’s likely hispanic or latino, two groups in which Jesus is a common first name, isn’t even pronounced the same way as the Bible guy
It was a joke, dude. Lighten up.
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It’s hard to read sarcasm over the net, I thought you were literally mistaking a man named Jesus (No I don’t know how to get my keyboard to do the accented e) was a bible thumper based on username alone
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Your joke was “Christians bad” which is as offensive as it is played out and lame.
Holy shit man. It was a light-hearted joke about religions being based on faith rather than proof and the commenter’s display name matching that of a widely recognized religious figure.
Take your persecution complex somewhere else.
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Here’s an idea! You should change your name to include insufferable so it’s super relevant
God is totally his dad! His mom said so, so it must be true!
No, no! That’s not Jesus, that’s Jésus. He makes excellent menudo
Also a Philippines stew with pork and liver. (but i doubt many fillipinos are named Jesus.)
Churchill really was a genius
And also a horrible racist
Eh who wasn’t then. Damn near every western country was cool with eugenics. Though Dachau opened less than 3 months after Hitler was appointed in Jan 1933, WW2 didn’t officially start for over 8 more years, with the invasion of Poland in Sept 1941…Auschwitz 1 wouldn’t have its ribbon-cutting for another 8 months, and extermination camps didn’t really get going for nearly another year and a half after that. And it didn’t officially end for 5 months after the closure of the death camps and Hitler’s suicide, when Japan surrendered.
There have always been progressives. Look at John Brown, violently anti-racist when most of society accepted a racial caste system as normal. We should hold the past to the same standard as the present, not dismiss old problems as “of the times.”
Imagine simping for this.
An unelected bureaucrat in an agency gets to decide how illegal a plant is. And then, they decide it’s still dangerous, just not as dangerous as psilocybin, more along the lines of cocaine.
Progress, whatever, you’re still under a boot.
Yeah fuck it, progress is overrated, let’s give up instead
Good point because that’s exactly what I said and you’re super smart for understanding my comment.
Thanks!
Schedule 3 is like Tylenol with codine. They decided it was like Tylenol.
But yes, I’m happy some bureaucrat is there defining safety standards. Sure they get some things wrong. But also, there’s no sawdust or chalk in bread anymore.
They also saved a bunch of lives by not approving thalidomide in the US.
Well but maybe that’s why the other countries don’t have the arms problems we do.
You don’t have a leg to stand on, saying that
Like what are you trying to achieve with this comment? Everyone knows it should be descheduled entirely, but are acknowledging progress.
Your comment just reeks of negativity in an already bleak situation.
Edit acknowledging progress is not simping.
Just reminding people, don’t start cheering for the DEA, remember what they took from you. This isn’t them giving it back, this is them salvaging legitimacy. Demand justice, not concessions.
No one is cheering the dea Jesus christ
This is a strawman like I’ve never seen. Who TF is cheering for the DEA outside of your imagination
Nah. Fuck that. This world is awful. No praise until anti-intellecualism is in the grave.
Ok. Sorry you had to poop today, poop is gross. life sucks.
Way to simultaneously claim to be against anti-intellectualism and be willfully ignorant of how federal-level politics works
imagine things getting better for people. what a bunch of bootlickers.
This thread demonstrates the idealogical purism and lack of pragmatic political expectations from leftists and progressives. There is literally nothing the Biden admin can do that will ever be enough because it doesn’t match some rosy fucking dreamland that only lives in your heads. Descheduling is huge, and signals the end of 100 years of madness with cannabis laws. If you want more, then we need to have more legislative power to implement it.
This is a fucking win, dumbasses.
Under Nixon, yes THAT Nixon, Congress wanted to pass UBI, but Democrats voted it down thinking it didn’t offer enough cash…
Even though common sense would tell you that establishing a UBI and raising it would be easier than getting a good paying UBI out of the gate
Yeah celebrate your wins or you may find yourself getting fewer
will this mean it can be prescribed in every state? By any doctors? Will it be able to covered by insurance? Medicaid/Medicare?
It’d be classified like Ketamine is currently.
That doesn’t answer any of my questions.
No, but you have enough information to look it up as well as the time, which you’ve instead used to pointlessly reply to my comment attempting to give you more info.
Perhaps if you didn’t just think about yourself and your perspective you might see that the other person asking a question and someone answering it will be useful if and when other people just web searches and append lemmy like we used to Reddit.
We can all search anything at any time, but sometimes it nice to have the input of others and contribute to discussions for others to find later.
“Something something plants trees…”
Ketamine is used by doctors and vets. So it is heavily regulated but can be used legally by people allowed to prescribe/use it.
Ketamine is a tranquilizer… so for official use nothing recreational.
Low dose therapeutic ketamine is apparently used in some cases of depression and trauma therapy as wel
Usually that’s the highly related compound called esketamine, which is stronger and is administered in smaller doses nasally and has fewer side effects. Sold under the brand name Spravato. The commercials for it have some things listed as side effects I don’t think I’d seen in a drug commercial before: “can cause … feeling disconnected from yourself, your thoughts, space and time”
Yeah, some excellent trials going on.
Thank you for at least trying to answer my question. I appreciate it.
No problem bud! Hope this either gives you enough to move on by either reading further or skipping to the next article.
From a medical marijuana perspective it wouldn’t change much for states where it is still illegal. It will make things easier for people who are prescribed it in states where it is legal, and especially for the places that produce marijuana. This would also allow Medicare to at least consider covering it in those states, but they wouldn’t necessarily have to. Medicare coverage decisions are made by the center for Medicare and Medicaid services, we’ll have to see after this change goes through what they determine. They do also already cover FDA approved medications based on cannibinoid ingredients like marinol or epidiolex which are pharmaceutical preparations of delta 9 thc and cannibidiol respectively (these are already available in every state since they are fda approved). Private insurance also will make their own determinations about whether they will cover it or not, but with this change there is a chance they could, whereas before there was no possible way. Medicaid coverage is mostly determined by each individual state.
The only way this would over ride state law and allow medical marijuana into a state that doesn’t have legal marijuana would be if somehow the marijuana plant itself got an FDA approval, but that is very unlikely for a lot of reasons, foremost that the marijuana plant has a large mix of many different drugs with many differences in amounts and ratios of those drugs from strain to strain, plant to plant, different parts of the plant, or even the same plant at different times in its life. It’s not like, heroin, or fentanyl, or cocaine which are specific chemicals. You could never really say “marijuana plants in general” have a specific indication for a specific disease, it would need to be much more specific in terms of what is actually being given, and only that would have the evidence and therefore the FDA approval. Like take epidiolex/cannibidiol for instance, a single chemical, 25 mg/kg/day was found effective as an add on therapy to another primary therapy for reduction in seizure frequency in children with Lennox gestaut syndrome and dravet syndrome. That’s the specific indication and dosage that the FDA agrees is effective based on the evidence. Lots of other reasons too you’d never see an FDA approval for “all marijuana plants in general,” but the unpredictable mix of tons of different drugs across many many strains of marijuana plants and variability between the plants itself is enough to make this a practical impossibility. It’s definitely contributed a few medications that have roles in certain diseases though, like many other plants before it.
In short, you’ll still need to convince individual states to legalize it or make medical marijuana laws if you want an actual marijuana plant or plant preparation prescribed to you. In practice, this change will likely make marijuana be easier to obtain where it is already legal, and be especially helpful for businesses and users in states where it’s legal. Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurance coverage could all be different (and even different by insurance company), but there’s at least a chance it could give coverage now, whereas it was impossible before. This also makes marijuana research easier, helps reduce any federal criminal penalties, and lots more.
About time
10 days too late
Why?
4/20 joke
Critics point out that as a Schedule III drug, marijuana would remain regulated by the DEA. That means the roughly 15,000 cannabis dispensaries in the U.S. would have to register with the DEA like regular pharmacies and fulfill strict reporting requirements, something that they are loath to do and that the DEA is ill equipped to handle.
Aren’t these dispensaries currently registered with the DEA? Why would lowering it on the schedule change that?
They are registered to the various states programs, but I can’t imagine there is a way to register with the DEA to sell a Schedule 1 drug for recreational use.
It also means regular pharmacies can sell it, and via normal banking channels.
I think currently they’re not. They’re registered to their state as they’re still technically illegal at the federal level. The DEA has taken kind of a don’t ask don’t tell approach to marijuana and is currently relying on a patchwork of state regulations to manage it because for a variety of (terrible) reasons they haven’t taken the sane step of reclassifying it. It honestly shouldn’t be a scheduled drug or at worst a schedule 4. Moving it from schedule 1 to 3 is better than nothing, but it’s still a chicken shit maneuver.
Devil’s advocate here…
I’m pretty sure the DEA has a ton of funding directly tied to Marijuana enforcement, they can’t just deschedule it entirely without losing that funding immediately. Those funding requirements need to be reclassified for other uses.
As someone unfamiliar with the law my guess would be that the DEA doesn’t have mechanisms in place to register distributors of schedule 1 substances, since it doesn’t recognize them as having any legitimate use.
Nah. As a schedule I, it’s in the same category as things like meth. Tito your corner drug dealer ain’t telling the feds where he’s selling, right?
Meth is schedule 2. Which highlights how absurd cannabis being schedule 1 for so long was.
My bad! I just assumed.
Schedule I is reserved for only the most vile drugs, like LSD!
And crack… But not powder cocaine.
I’m sure that has NOTHING to do with the types of people who tend to use one or the other.
Abolish the DEA
And move the goalposts.
The proposal, which still must be reviewed by the White House Office of Management and Budget
Is there any federal employee we don’t have to ask first?
Weed.
(This is my 1,000th comment on Lemmy!)
Indeed
Won’t solve the world’s problems but okay.
Not sure if anyone claimed it was going to solve the world’s problems by reclassifying this in the US, but you are correct.
Reclassification at the international level requires support from the international community. Singapore is against reclassification of cannabis due to proximity with the opium poppy-laden region called Golden Triangle.
Sounds like a half-assed fuck up, that’s still 6mo to 3y. For weed. still gonna go to jail, still get a record, still get your life ruined, still over fucking weed. The idea that jail is the appropriate punishment for drug addiction is utterly unjustifiable at this point, yet here we are, still pretending we’re something other than just wrong. Sunk cost fallacy I guess. Guess they felt they couldn’t just come out and do the right thing after having ruined tens(?) of thousands of lives for no reason
Unfortunately Oregon just proved decriminalization needs a functioning healthcare system to support it.
For weed I think we’d be fine.
Oh yeah, absolutely. I’m sorry my brain is on empty today.
No worries. Stay safe and sleep well.
How did they prove that? (genuinely asking, not being sarcastic)
They effectively did one without the other. From what I’ve been able to gather Oregon is actually one of the worst states for mental health and addiction care. Now of course they realized this and tried to appropriate money to deal with that. But they didn’t get enough and there was no lead time. They decriminalized before the new infrastructure was in place. So all of the aid groups and government health agencies that did exist were playing catch up the entire time. Imagine the crunch with the entire state emergency hiring counselors, trying to buy new buildings for safe use centers, and new inpatient centers; all at the same time.
So the net effect was people watched a drug problem get worse (because COVID did that all over the world) with less tools to deal with it than before. Instead of what they wanted to see, which would have been different tools to deal with it. In the end shutting it down and going back to arrests and courts became an easy case for Conservatives.
The lesson aid groups and governments should take away is not that decriminalization is bad. Just that they must have enough health infrastructure to deal with the problem because there’s a lot of people who would be in the prison system that are going to suddenly be in the health system. And a pandemic is a horrible time to make sweeping policy changes on anything but getting through the pandemic.
I’m glad that you shared this, because it’s good to know the pitfalls when implementing changes in policy. I want a robust and easy access healthcare system anyway, but it’s good to know it’s a prerequisite for softening on drugs.
You’re a legend, thanks for taking the time to reply, i appreciate it.
A prison sentence is a slave sentence, can’t give up that juicy juicy slave labor so easily.
:(
I wonder if the UN will send another letter against this move.
Ken Paxton about to sue the feds in 3…2…1
You know he’s gonna, right after he wrings out and drinks his nightly baby.
