The Taliban’s announcement that it is resuming publicly stoning women to death has been enabled by the international community’s silence, human rights groups have said.
Safia Arefi, a lawyer and head of the Afghan human rights organisation Women’s Window of Hope, said the announcement had condemned Afghan women to return to the darkest days of Taliban rule in the 1990s.
“With this announcement by the Taliban leader, a new chapter of private punishments has begun and Afghan women are experiencing the depths of loneliness,” Arefi said.
“Now, no one is standing beside them to save them from Taliban punishments. The international community has chosen to remain silent in the face of these violations of women’s rights.”
Fuck these guys. Bunch of cowards.
Conservatism is a deadly, contagious social disease that destroys entire cultures.
In Afghanistan, we can see the natural, final stage of conservatism. This is what the future holds for any country that cannot offer sufficient resistance to this disease.
Just because no one holds you accountable for doing it, how can you justify being sick and evil enough to want to flog or stone somebody. What is going on with these middle eastern assholes?? Is it something in the water they drink or the food they eat that turns these bigoted males into such flagrantly mentally abberant pieces of utter walking dog shit??
Well, my advice is, if you’re a middle-eastern woman, arm yourself any way you can and strike first. Throw the first stone, you might just crush the worthless skull of one of these misogynistic women-hating anti-human pieces of maggot infested filth, and do the world an immense favor.
Do you think the West is that far off?
Is that a joke?
The Taliban’s supreme leader, Hibatullah Akhundzada, announced that the group would begin enforcing its interpretation of sharia law in Afghanistan, including reintroducing the public flogging and stoning of women for adultery.
Yes totally different. I have never once heard any politician in my country invoke the Bible in discussion about policy.
Edit: https://lemmy.world/post/13720085?scrollToComments=true
Degree matters though right? A dog turd on a pavement not the same as an overflowing latrine cesspit.
Well sure. There is a reason why people die from lung cancer in the tens of thousands cause of smoking while almost no one dies of botulism. If something is only a little bit bad it sticks around if something is very bad it doesn’t. And no surprise the little bad thing ends up killing more than the very bad thing.
I don’t understand what you are actually trying to say. In your response above, I think you are saying that there is no difference between the Taliban adopting an official stoning state policy and religious conservatives pushing regressive policies in bourgeois democracies. I responded to that saying that well there is a difference, that of degree. Now you are responding by saying that that difference does exist but also the less brutal thing is more dangerous. I am confused.
Degree does matter and counterintuitively sometimes something that is less bad at any given point in time is more bad over a long enough timescale.
Botulism is so bad that no one consumes it. Smoking is just a little bit bad each puff. Smoking ends up killing far more.
What the Taliban is doing is so bad that they are going to burn themselves out. What Christianity does is a little bad. Over enough time the little bad adds up to the worse. The Taliban killed around 6,000 people in New York City, Bush and his evangelical friends crusade killed about a million in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Same goes for abortion. Which is going to end up killing more women (keep in mind the population size difference) over the next 40 years the Taliban stoning a few or the Christians causing woman to die is pregnancy complications?
And somehow despite being obviously evil and despicable they believe themselves to be the good guys.
Religion is a hell of a drug.
Except drugs aren’t always bad.
In reality religion is poison.The difference between drug and poison is dosage.
Taliban is obviously OD.
In the ordinary moral universe, the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do wicked things, you’ll need religion
- Christopher Hitchens
This was always going to happen. Once Trump signed the surrender, and released Taliban fighters, some of which run this government, the die was cast.
Once Trump signed the surrender, and released Taliban fighters
Can you please point me to more info on these two points?
Signed by Trump and allowed to take effect by Biden. Both US parties accepted this result.
Well Biden could have put in the troops needed that Trump removed I suppose. Tear up the capitulation, etc.
Don’t blame the president: WE decided to go in and kill a ton of Taliban, WE decided to spend actual trillions standing up and equipping an army that did not give enough of a fuck about anything but grifting. The ANA did not even try to slow down the Taliban when the US stopped acting as a backstop. Afghanistan never really thought of itself as a cohesive nation, we were never going to change their psyche.
I’d rather blame Bush and Obama for sinking trillions into helping their friends get rich at the cost of everyone pretending we were building a real country.
He’s not the president, dude…
Akhundzada said: “We will flog the women … we will stone them to death in public [for adultery].
“You may call it a violation of women’s rights when we publicly stone or flog them for committing adultery because they conflict with your democratic principles,” he said, adding: “[But] I represent Allah, and you represent Satan.”
Ah, the good old argument from “I’m just right and you’re wrong, OK?” with a garnish of “The Creator of the universe told me I’m great and said you suck.” Please may I never be this certain of anything.
Well, 20 years and what have we learned:
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If you invade a nation with no solid national identity that prefers tribal identity, you’re going to have to stay to build that national identity.
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To build that national identity you’ll need to stay until a whole generation has gone through the new way of life you have made: born, went to school, got a job, got married, had some kids, grew old, and died. The new way of life needs to be the only way of life in living memory.
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So you’re talking about a minimum of 100 years of occupation.
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If you pull out too soon because back home the appetite for a foreign deployment has wained, don’t get surprised when the old way comes back.
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Guerrilla fighting is super effective in the long run.
Great post. I’ll just quibble with one word. It took 20 years to re-learn what most of our ancestors knew well. It isn’t enough to occupy a country. If you want to replace an ancient tribal culture, you have to remove that culture’s elites, colonize and farm the land with your own citizens more or less permanently, put down any resistance violently, and then support the colony until it finally assimilates the existing population or is assimilated by it. All of the ancient empires did that when they could, Europe did it during the age of colonization where feasible. The Arabs did it during the Islamic conquest. China has done it throughout their long history. Russia is the largest country on Earth because it colonized all of the indigenous cultures from the Ural Mountains to the Pacific Ocean during the conquest of Siberia. The Soviet Empire tried to do it to Eastern Europe too with their Russification programs, but weren’t able to stay long enough because the Soviet Empire was destroyed after only 45 years.
The US was never going to colonize Afghanistan. It was folly to believe that Afghanistan was going to adopt western values in a mere 20 years of occupation.
That sounds like you announcing you cured HIV by simply shooting the infected. It might be true in one sense but even if that worked the cure is worse than the disease.
I really don’t want any country involved in genocide
Well I mean, that’s an effective cure, though just make sure to incinerate the remains so the virus has less chances to survive. /S
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Cristofacists looking at this and thinking to themselves: “We can one up them”
If you want to convince people that Christianity is in-and-of-itself evil, you should try making actually relevant and realistic replies. You just look like an idiot here, so you aren’t convincing anyone new of your opinion.
Republicans:
Honest good faith question: what can the international community do?
Drone strike a wedding party. Final offer
Colonize the land in the name of oil /s
‘The international community won’t hold them accountable’ - Maybe for years under friendly occupation and support you should have held them accountable. I don’t believe for a second your husbands and sons have no involvement in the country’s culture. You effectively had years to erase the taliban and you collectively enabled them to fight the Americans instead. Anyone still in Afghanistan after all these years should not be having any surprise with the way things are going.
The international community is busy making sure hamas can create exactly the same brutality in Palestine,
