White House officials claim provisional agreement is on the table as scale of starvation crisis revealed
        • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
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          6 months ago

          Israel ended it’s occupation of Gaza a long time ago. You’re probably too young to have been following the news back then. Israel removed all it’s settlements from Gaza and withdrew it’s military. There was a lot of hope for the future of Gaza. It’s on the sea and could trade. There’s nice beaches there, so who knows, there could even be a tourist industry there.

          A lot of optimism back then. This was the path to peace. Once the economy improves in Gaza, and there’s peace and prosperity there, the world could pressure Israel to do the same with the West Bank.

          Then a plurality of Palestinians voted for Hamas. Hamas took power. Well shit.

          It seems a lot of Palestinians didn’t consider the

          There was a failed attempt to depose them. And a blockade. Because of course… the Hamas government had as it’s stated goal to destroy Israel.

          And yeah Hamas wasn’t effective at governing. Fascists never are never very good at that. But the UN filled in the gaps for them. Kept things going more or less.

          But just because Gaza was a failed state doesn’t mean it wasn’t a state. And yeah it wasn’t recognized by anyone because no one in their right mind would recognize the Hamas psychos as a legitimate government.

          Gaza was briefly the only free part of Palestine. Until Hamas fucked it all up.

          • HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
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            6 months ago

            >Fascists never are never very good at that

            Mussolini made the trains run on time. you’ll forgive me if I don’t believe you have a good historical analysis or knowledge.

          • HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
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            6 months ago

            >Gaza was briefly the only free part of Palestine. Until Hamas fucked it all up.

            Israel can free Palestine right now. get rid of the walls and lift the blockade. it is Israel that keeps Palestine from being free.

    • DarkGamer@kbin.social
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      6 months ago

      You think the reason for this is the guy who immolated himself? Why? He’s not even mentioned in this article.

  • underisk@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    6 months ago

    Hamas has repeatedly rejected any kind of temporary ceasefire. I can’t see why this would be any different.

    Was Hamas even involved in the drafting of this deal or did the US and Israel just throw this together to paint Hamas as unreasonable when they reject it again? None of the articles I’ve read have made any effort to clarify who drew this up beyond vaguely gesturing at Israel, US, and Egypt.

    • Wrench@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 months ago

      I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. I don’t know what the terms of this one are, but past cease fires have basically required Hamas to surrender. Giving up their only leverage, hostages, and allowing IDF to strictly control everyone and everything going in and out of Gaza, free to shut off power and water as they feel, and block aid.

      • DarkGamer@kbin.social
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        6 months ago

        As you say, they have very little leverage. What they can offer is returning the hostages and a guarantee of safety for Israel and in exchange, they can get peace and relative freedom. At this point they should probably negotiate for whatever they can get, because the alternative is complete destruction. Belligerence hasn’t worked out well for them, perhaps they should try something else.

        I wouldn’t expect any trust and goodwill considering their stated goal is to genocide Jews and destroy Israel.

      • Kaboom@reddthat.comEnglish
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        6 months ago

        Being real, that depends on if Hamas and Israel want it. Seeing as Hamas literally has Israel’s destruction in their charter, any ceasefire is only temporary

            • DarkGamer@kbin.social
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              6 months ago

              The reason there’s a massive security apparatus around Palestine is not to oppress Palestinians or impose racial hierarchy, it is because they have been trying to murder Jews for the last 70+ years.

              The violence against Israel is the reason for this. Hamas is a cause of the violence. They create the very situation they say they want to end.

              If they want the walls to come down and the blockade to end, they need to show a commitment to peace, rather than a commitment to genocide.