That was one of the more interesting SOTU addresses I’ve seen. Personally, I think he said most of the things that needed to be said, and he said them reasonably well. I’m sure he’s going to get some flack for attacking Trump directly (though not by name), but I was frankly glad to see it. Doing otherwise makes it seem like it’s just your typical election/political disagreements, but we’re past that now.
I would guess that was higher energy than Republicans expected. But, people always underestimate Joe.
Exaggerating Biden’s mental fitness day after day is a double-edged sword, since in moments like this he can blow away expectations
They tried to do the same with Obama. I remember the “he can’t speak without a teleprompter” crap they peddled back then.
Fox News is literally calling him, “Jacked-Up Joe” now hahaha.
Thats to be expected.
Remember, the enemies of Fascists are whatever the fascist narrative needs them to be in moment. Which is why Joe Biden has been weak, pathetic, and ineffective while also being a strong man dictatorial master of complex conspiracies.
Jacked up joe makes him sound like a muscle bound super villian, and I love it.
Lets Go! Dark Biden JACKED UP on Freedom Steroids! riding his Socialist Bicycle into a brighter future!
As everyone starts dunking on the trolls, remember that a non zero number of them are less trolls and more agents of chaos for their government. Reporting and down voting might be a much more useful action.
God, comments like this are so embarrassing. If you want to dismiss everyone critical of the Democrats as a troll, fine, but you honestly think that Lemmy is being infiltrated by foriegn agitators sewing discord? They could be using Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, TikTok, or YouTube, but they’re wasting their efforts on a site that just hit 50,000 daily active users? You would honestly rather believe that a percentage of these people are foreign agents rather than people who just don’t agree with you?
Foreign election interference is a real, serious threat to our democracy and you’re not helping to fight it by accusing every online rando of being in league with Russia or China. You’re doing to election interference what Qanon did to child trafficking; you’re making it look ridiculous to serious people.
Plenty of people disagree honestly and in good faith. Plenty of people pretend to disagree while using inflammatory language meant to spur reactions, commonly referred to as trolling. It’s also quite easy for small teams and bot nets to spread to basically anywhere people gather online in order to sow anger and division to further their ends. To pretend otherwise is extremely disingenuous.
If I have to read the word “feisty” one more time today I’m going to lose it.
You sound pretty f… Oh, nevermind.
From the SotU
Here’s a simple truth. You can’t love your country only when you win.
Nice.
He really needed to expose the lie of “Sleepy Joe” and he absolutely did. Anyone who honestly thought he has mental deficiencies just got their ass handed to them by an 81 year old.
Wtf lol. I could not disagree more. He looks like a sleepy skeleton who they woke up from a nap.
Was that before or after he stared down the Magat trolls and beyond-obviously-corrupted supreme court justices to their faces?
Wow he stared at them to their faces? He must mean business lol.
Were you watching with the sound off?
No, I heard him tripping up in his words too lol. Maybe I didn’t have my /politics blinders on, sorry.
But did you listen to the words? Or just tv static cause Biden bad?
Yeah he did a whole lot of finger pointing and not a lot of explaining the actual state of the union in my opinion, but I mostly skimmed it. Did he mention that under his watch women lost their bodily autonomy, and that the US produced more oil and gas than any country to ever exist?
Edit: Did he say anything about structuring arms deals so that he could go behind congress’ back to sell a country engaged in genocide more weapons to engage in that genocide?
Did he mention that under his watch women lost their bodily autonomy
Wow, that’s rich. Biden and the Democrats have been fighting against that very thing. It’s being done in Republican controlled states, supported by a Republican majority Congress. Yes, he talked about it.
It’s like punching him in the nose and then saying you won’t vote for him because he’s got blood on his face.
Sounds like they’re not fighting very hard lol
Agreed, he seemed on top of it the whole time, including while responding to the heckles. A few times he flubbed up his words a bit, but that’s been true forever. He’s not the orator Obama is, but it was and excellent speech.
Right? Dude -overcame- a speech impediment ffs.
He’s not the orator Obama is
No one is, and that’s just the truth. Obama will probably go down as the most effective public speaker we’ll see in our lifetime.
Also a truth is that everyone flubs the occasional word. You and I do it every day. Specially when stressed or tired.
Theres a stark difference between flubbing a word, and struggling to make a coherent statement.
Speech impediment + talking way too fast, but he recognized the problem in speaking slowly.
Waiiiit whaaaat, he’s 81? No fucking way, that seals it, I’m not going to vote /s
Yeah but the other guy is 277.
Oh, we’re talking age, not weight?
I thought it was 215.
Maybe when he was 19
I’m referring to the bs he put in when he got “arrested”.
I’m not voting for joe because he’s complicit in genocide.
What disgusts me the most is all the posturing we’re seeing now in anticipation for the election.
It just shows he doesn’t have a genuine bone in his body.
I’m not an American so I’m not invested in the same way, but if you don’t want Biden because of his actions with respect to the Gaza genocide can I ask about your thought process regarding what happens if he does not get in? If he loses the only possible winner is Trump because he is the Republican nominie, so is a vote not for Biden basically a vote for Trump? Or do you see it some other way?
Neither candidate represents my interests so I lose either way.
Welcome to American politics.
Is one of them going to hurt you more than the other?
Me? No.
The only impact this really has on me is seeing how everyone else reacts. My life was remarkably similar under Trump, Biden, and Obama.
This is what losing feels like.
That’s the Republican way of thinking for sure. “Oh, it didn’t personally impact me? I don’t care.”
You’re a fool if you think Trump would be anything but catastrophic for the world. Naive or a shill.
That’s the Republican way of thinking for sure. “Oh, it didn’t personally impact me? I don’t care.”
You literally asked if it would be worse for me.
You’re a fool if you think Trump would be anything but catastrophic for the world.
Yeah, people said the same thing in 2016. Then the democrats nominated Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, guaranteeing a Trump victory.
Just goes to show, Trump is preferable to a candidate who actually fights for commoners.
This is what I mean by we’re losing no matter what. I don’t think you’re capable of understanding this, though.
Sad how you feel justified in calling others ‘fools.’
I get you’re just a sad little loser and saying this dumb shit is just your way of getting attention from strangers on the internet.
But on the tiny off chance you’re not a troll that knows how stupid your own argument is:
Trump has literally said he will be a dictator from day one. He has already made 1 major attempt to end the Democratic process in the US. And has a several courts including the supreme Court stacked in his favour, given another 4 years that will only get worse and he has a much better chance this tike around of actually ending democracy in America. So even if you truly belive the stupid fucking opinion that Joe Biden is just as bad as Trump, taking the hit and voting for Biden this time means you can vote for someone else in 4 years time, so you have a chance to get a president that actually works for you. But if you don’t vote and Trump gets elected then there’s a good chance you never get a say in who is president ever again.
Also you know your incredibly obvious fake concern over gaza is fucking disgusting btw. You’re genuinely a piece of shit.
Look. I don’t support vaporizing Gazans and I also feel rather impotent to do anything about it. I also think things are broken and our county needs some major systemic changes to give power back to the people.
And I support the ‘uncommitted’ vote in the primary to send a clear message to Biden.
But don’t kid yourself with this ‘both sides are the same’ stuff.
Biden will, at the very, very least, try to reduce suffering where he can. And that may be pathetically little.
But this is the other side that WILL come to power if you (and I mean you) don’t vote for Biden this fall:
Trump breaks silence on Israel’s military campaign in Gaza: ‘Finish the problem’
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
I’ve come across many people like you and it always ends the same.
You refuse to acknowledge how a slow loss is still a loss and go into “recruitment” mode.
It’s really just a instinctive response at this point, and I never expect anything more from you.
Goodbye.
This sounds like some accelerationist bullshit, and if so, your opinion can be safely ignored. Accelerationists should be ignored and shun ed at every possible step, as they only seek increased pain and suffering for all. Any accelerationist that disagrees with that clearly hasn’t looked at the consequences of burning the system down.
Trump will literally result in more Gazans dead. Why do you want more Gazans to die?
Can I see your crystal ball?
You people keep telling me Trump is Putin’s puppet and Putin supports Hamas. But now Trump will go against Putin’s wishes and kill more Gazans than Biden?
Which is it?
It’s the one where he said he supports Israel and wants them to finish the job… You’re just being willfully blind at this point and clearly lack the maturity to differentiate your idealistic vision with the true reality of what would happen if Trump gets another term.
So Trump isn’t actually Putin’s puppet? Is that what you’re landing on?
See how cognitive dissonance works? Lol.
Hahaha, as if he can’t both be pro-pootin and pro-israel. What really makes you think he wouldn’t try to help Israel destroy Gaza and help pootin destroy Ukraine?
But don’t kid yourself with this ‘both sides are the same’ stuff.
they never said that.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-israel-finish-the-problem-gaza_n_65e76ed1e4b0f9d26cac9866
Yes, getting rid of Joe will be so good for Gaza.
I didn’t read the article, do you want to use your own words to tell me your point?
Trump abandoned any pretense of American neutrality when he moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Trump’s evangelical backers are big on the End Times, and would happily blow up the entire Middle East to bring about the return of Jesus.
Don’t bother responding. I know how valuable your time is and don’t want to waste anymore of it.
So we can admit Trump is not a puppet of Putin?
Why is that so hard to get you guys to acknowledge? Lol.
No, we can’t. That’s a false dichotomy that ignores a fuckton of evidence of trump actively supporting pootins goals against that of the US.
I’m not voting for joe because he’s complicit in genocide.
So instead you’re going to help elect the guy who says Israel needs to finish the job in Gaza. Who says Russia should be able to do what they want. Your sensibilities are messed up.
I’m not voting for either candidate.
I lose either way.
You honestly believe that a Biden term would be as bad or worse then a Trump term? Seems insane.
I don’t think it really matters at this point.
The advantage of Trump winning is that people like you see there’s a problem.
If Biden wins, you pat yourselves on the back for a job well done.
It’s delusional and I don’t expect more from any of you at this point.
The more you support a slow loss, the less I take you seriously.
Low IQ detected. Maybe the lowest we ever observed.
You fit in with the tribe.
I’m not voting for joe
But you are voting against Trump, right?
I’m not voting for joe because he’s complicit in genocide.
Anything Joe can do, Trump can do much, much worse.
Why would Trump support Israel if it goes against his puppetmaster, Putin?
So you agree Trump is just a Putin lapdog?
Yes. Why would get go against his master’s wishes in relation to Israel?
get the issues with Trump are more than valid but it is only democratic to vote Biden and not to try other parties especially the ones openly voicing how they are in line with what the citizens want?
very confused how the US thinks and works please make it make sense
I think I understand your question. In the United States, they have what’s called a “First Past The Post” electoral system. This essentially means if you get the most votes, even if you don’t get the majority of votes, you win the electoral district. Win the most electoral districts and you become President. The reality of this system is that it effectively becomes a “2 Party System”, where you have many parties to vote for, but only 2 viable options, in this case Democrats and Republicans. Because of this, it becomes necessary to “strategically vote” so you vote for the lesser of two evils. First Past The Post is not a representative democracy and therefore should be replaced with a better system that allows 3rd Parties to have a fighting chance. The leaders of the 2 big parties have lots of money and influence and can prevent this from happening.
makes perfect sense then why third parties do not have a fighting chance thanks for clearing the air
Republicans and Democrats make sure the other parties cannot participate, take people’s votes away (am one of many not allowed to vote or participate in this “democracy”), and stack the board in their favor and both parties are backed by corporations that have their own interests that do not align with the citizens so the shareholders win no matter who gets to be president
https://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/17/green_partys_jill_stein_cheri_honkala
…so then you totally did understand, you just wanted someone to waste their time explaining it so you could immediately come back with jill stein nonsense. that was a dick thing to do.
Earned them -14 points, so they don’t really look very smart here. But as pointless as it all seems, we need to keep relaying the message of electoral reform to as many people as possible.
Their whole spiel relies on reaching literally any bystander they can. Definitely worth dissecting their bullshit.
Anyone pushing for Stein, Gabbard, or the likes of any of these people is quite clearly trying to wedge-drive and there’s a decent probability they’re a Kremlin bot.
or maybe they’re someone whose life has been affected negatively by different Democrat and Republican laws and policies their whole life and are just looking for some alternative some other way out because they feel stuck in someone else’s country that does not want them there to begin with
anyone who supports the Democrat or Republican corporate parties has never been directly affected by either enough to know otherwise and are lucky to live in that United States
not allowed to vote and participate in this game so what do I know anyways right
rather some other party besides the “two” because do not want either of the two in power so what good is wedge-driving to someone like me who actually wants change to occur not the same shit on a blue plate we are always served
tired of eating that horse shit and cannot wait until the rest are too
If you know that much but not the mathematical trend toward a two-party system that does not, again mathematically, permit a 3rd-party candidate without risking the FAR WORSE candidate via spoiler, Donald Trump, then you are arguing in bad faith or young and naive.
Congressional Republican leaders showcased one of their newest lawmakers through the State of the Union rebuttal, hoping to make a generational contrast with Biden. Alabama Sen. Katie Britt, the youngest Republican woman elected to the Senate, painted a picture of a nation that “seems to be slipping away” and one where “our families are hurting.”
“Right now, our commander-in-chief is not in command. The free world deserves better than a dithering and diminished leader,” Britt said, speaking deliberately in an address from her home kitchen.
Dithering and diminished? You just got your clock cleaned by an old guy and you’re stumping for the convicted fraud who can’t remember who is currently the President? The one who thinks magnets are somehow turned off by water? The one who declares loudly they’ll change the state name of Pennsylvania if he doesn’t get enough votes? That one?
Katie Britt, I didn’t have any expectations - never heard of you before - but whoever wrote that for you stuck you in the woodchipper. Do better. Stop supporting a demented rapist. Stop destroying the rights of women to their own bodies.
Apparently that’s just how she is. She’s a lawyer, married to a retired football player
If you watch her speech it’s disturbing
It was so creepily stepford wives-y.
She did the Hannibal Lecter “not blinking” thing while alternating between smiles and rage that both never reached her eyes.
Also, kind of ballsy to ask “are you better off than you were four years ago.”
Like, yes, my life could be better, but I at least have toilet paper.
Wasn’t Biden elected to dial back the fascism he’s gladly overseeing? The math ain’t mathing. This is why the message of Trump will be the end of democracy won’t work. There’s nothing democratic about the USA. This is not a hyperbole or exaggeration. He is perfectly fine COP City, NYC Subway searches and working with Right-Wing cultists on the border and Genocide.
Lol beta.
Perhaps you’re right, that his messaging won’t change anyone’s minds, but the reality is Trump is and will be much worse than Biden. America is fucking around and is probably gonna find out.
Most likely, the time for Biden to course correct is running out. It doesn’t help people are fine with the bad aspects of his Presidency because he isn’t the other guy. If you want Biden to win then help him be more humanitarian.
You can be critical of a politician and still support that politician. Why that’s suddenly a super difficult thing to understand is beyond me.
If you’re not agreeing with absolutely everything and refusing to blindly support their chosen politician, you’re not a part of their “team”. And that makes you an enemy. There’s no room for nuance.
you’re on the internet too much
I probably should’ve put an /s, since you took what I said as my actual worldview. I was agreeing with you
Ah.
There’s nothing democratic about the USA. This is not a hyperbole or exaggeration.
No need to go out and vote for Trump, then, just stay home!
Don’t worry, many people will if Biden doesn’t do a better job. That is why he is losing in most polls. Biden voters are closer to Trump than think they are.
You know what’s funny. Every time I see this type of nonsensical comment, it reminds me why I have to vote for Biden, even if I have other issues with him. I have skipped elections in the past, and was considering doing so again, but comments like yours make it absolutely clear that the alternative is just insane.
Pick who you want. Insanity is co-signing genocide and fascism.
what a speech
republicans and democrats do sound the same
my opponent is the harbinger of death for democracy you have to vote for me!
over the course of my life it has gone from two people debating how their views and policies will shape your life and your surroundings to just talking shit about your opponent in a long winded speech that has no actual meat to it and no discernible game plan for the next four potential years was discussed
Your script needs updating or tweaks. We’ve seen it used in this thread a handful of times already.
Don’t make it this easy lol. Beta.
When the other guy refuses to admit he lost an election, refuses a peaceful transfer of power, organizes an insurrection to take the government by force, and repeatedly says he’ll use his office as a weapon to punish his enemies, it’s completely legitimate to say the other guy is the harbinger of death for democracy. The speech was unlike any SOTU from prior generations because we’ve never been in this state before.
And you must not have been listening, because I certainly heard an awful lot of plans for the future.
Were fucking doomed because of people like you.
Were fucking doomed because of people like you.
Tell me you didn’t actually experience 2016-2021 (where that’s all that little wannabe dictator did lmao), and definitely did not watch the SoTU, without telling me.
Did you miss Biden literally laying out his pro working class domestic agenda? He gave a call to action for voters that improvements for labor. Given, he totally flubbed talking about the Georgia murder and Israel/Palestine, but if you think both parties are the same in domestic policy, then you’re the one not paying attention.
That sounds like a lot of blathering about how he’s better than the worst president in history. Not exactly a high bar.
That’s just the first 15 minutes or so…I almost shut it off.
After “orange man bad” he went policy by policy, said what he’s done and outlined a liberal (not neoliberal) platform for like 30 minutes straight. It wasn’t just scare tactics about cultural stuff for once
For me, the big was the complacency of the Democratic party. They just kept moving further right and ignoring what the people want, but I’m hoping this marks a turning point
It’s not nearly enough, but at least he’s started building social programs, talking about raising the corporate tax rates, and enforcing anti-trust laws.
The speech was huge, this article doesn’t at all do it justice.
