I thought he was like one of the most important whistleblowers of our time exposing war crimes and shit. Some of you don’t wanna see him live another day, why is that?
fuck the united states of america.
fuck the united kingdom.
capitalist scum is what they are.
so whenever you see a british or murican car, product or supporter: you spit on them!
Says the German 🤣
From what I’ve read, it was good at first, then he started cherry picking and only releasing leaks that were convenient for him and aligned with his views.
Who are the ones determining what is “convenient” to Asange and what are their politics? Just because someone will make the accusation does not make it truth.
He’s a leaker. He HAS to be selective. He might not even be getting valid info. He might be getting doctored info that would expose his sources if he leaked it, etc, etc. There is every valid reason he has to not publish something that people ignore when they make such accusations.
Wikileaks is accused of not releasing information that would be harmful to the reputation of Russia.
OK? and that magically makes his other leaks invalid?
I don’t think people are saying the leaks he released are invalid. What they are saying is that him being selective with what he releases is the problem. If it doesn’t align with his political views for example.
Again, and that makes him someone we should ignore and call for the death of?
I understand why people wouldn’t like him as a person. I’m not seeing the connection to OP’s question about him being publically hated to the point where people want him dead.
THAT … is absolutely not at all what you reference. People don’t want him dead for simply avoiding stepping on Russian toes. I’m trying to get you to think about why that is.
OP did something dishonest by making the title and body TOTALLY different.
The title is why are people hating on him. Lots of good answers to that.
The body then switches it to wanting him dead. I don’t think very many people want him dead. I think even the CIA/US Government want him alive and in jail rather than dead.
I’m not calling for his death, what are you talking about? Only OP implied that and they don’t even say who exactly is calling for it. I literally just replied to your comment saying:
OK? and that magically makes his other leaks invalid?
So yes, that is absolutely what I’m referencing, that people don’t have a problem with the leaks themselves, rather it’s him holding back other leaks that benefit him or do not align with his views that is the problem.
You are replying to people on this comment thread as if we are all OP. How about YOU think why you’re all hotheaded with people simply trying to answer OP’s question.
Because he didn’t release something (dunno what because that’s never been specified, but he should have pulled something out of his ass, I guess) about the other side, therefore his leaks regarding the DNC make him a Russian asset.
Give your head a shake.
It’s weird how some of you on this comment thread are so hostile. I’m literally just answering OP’s question about why people are hating on Assange. I’m not defending or attacking him myself. Try shaking your own head and read the comments properly first before replying.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
I’m literally only asking for clarification.
Everyone is acting like a bias is totally enough to justify asking for the death of someone…
Who called for his death?
I don’t think it makes leaks invalid.
Imagine that I’m the star witness in a trial between my dad and my brother. During the case i share everything i have on my brother, including diaries from me youth, recipets and pictures of every activity we have dine together, and relevant correspondence, but refuse to share any information involving my dad, I’m cleary not a trustworthy source and my testimony will likely be thrown out.
Stop right there.
The wiki leaks ama on reddit openly admitted to selectively releasing to further their own agenda.
and that justifies ignoring leaks and wanting him gone?
Are people ignoring leaks? Calling for Assange’s death? I haven’t seen that.
Yes? What the hell do you think happens when everyone downplays everything negative happening to him? That he gets taken more seriously?
What do you think happens if he gets extradited to the many places that want to throw him in jail or worse? Is his life not forfeit even if it’s wasted in a cell instead of snuffed out on the spot?
Humans are beyond pathetic when it comes to thinking through to the consequences of your actions. Do better.
That’s not ignoring leaks or calling for his death.
Humans are pathetic when it comes to hyperbole. Words have meaning. Do better.
Because people with money told the actors they hire to pretend to inform you of current events to only say that he’s bad because he represents a threat to their class.
figures the correct answer has all the downvotes…
I heard Q likes him
Funny how hearing a message associating someone with a movement, true or not, swayed your opinion. Almost as if it proves my point.
they like all sorts of stupid crazy shit… that doesn’t matter at all
The same bad actors have muddied the lines through limiting online discourse and pushing their message consistently enough to drag some well meaning, but lacking in critical thinking skills, people to join the cause.
Like algorithms for social media, they’ll feed you little bits that become normalized, and sudde ly the stuff that was crazy 5 years ago seems tame and pointless to fight against now.
“We had several leaks sent to Wikileaks, including the Russian hack. It would have exposed Russian activities and shown WikiLeaks was not controlled by Russian security services,” the source who provided the messages wrote to FP. “Many Wikileaks staff and volunteers or their families suffered at the hands of Russian corruption and cruelty, we were sure Wikileaks would release it. Assange gave excuse after excuse.”
Because obvious Russian asset is obvious.
Here’s the full story
according to chat messages and a source who provided the records.
if you’re going to pretend like that’s solid proof, then you’re the asset.
assange did also mention that they were reluctant to publish russian documents because russia isn’t reluctant to assassinate people
Yeah, quite a few that opposed Putin just so happen to walk out of windows and poison themselves, one even put cuffs on beat the shit out of himself and gladly ate poison, while locked up
and let’s not forget Alexei Navalny
That’s the last person I was referencing
why? how is he different?
Yeah last I heard they had found bruising on his corpse and suspected that he poisoned himself
i wonder why they even bother lying about it at this point…
He’s . . . not different, that’s why he was referenced
russia isn’t reluctant to assassinate people
Look at me, I care about human freedoms so much that my life is more important, so I’ll help Russia to paint a skewed picture instead.
so I’ll help Russia to paint a skewed picture instead.
nice try, shilly… but there’s a huge difference between “reluctant to get killed by russia” and “helping them paint a skewed picture”
btw, the DNC leaks were not from a russian hacker, they were from Seth Rich, who was killed for it.
also, america was off limits for many years for similar reasons.
and they’re still in the process of extraditing him to slowly kill him in prisonYou are aware that people can disagree with your conclusions without being a shill, right? Seth Rich’s parents would also like you to stop disrespecting his memory by saying he was murdered by the DNC, they even refute he was the DNC email leaker.
if you made any sense in your “disagreement” other than vitriolic repetition of easily discredited lies, well then i’d consider you might not be a shill.
the DNC leaks were an inside job. This was proven forensically by Bill Binny, an NSA whistleblower…
Seth Rich fit the MO and was murdered shortly thereafter by people that didn’t take anything… killed, not robbed…it could’ve been not him, but there’s a lot more reason to think it was him over russian hackers… or are you really taking the government’s word on leaks about the government?
his parents would have no way of knowing any better than me, so i don’t see how that’s relevant…
Bill Benny, Trump Qult member, enthusiastically refutes reports that exonerates the DNC of murder. Shocking. You accuse me of taking the government’s word when you’re taking the word of someone with an agenda. I mention Seth’s parents because they have a a vested interest in finding out the truth of what happened to their son and their conclusion is the DNC leaker conspiracy theory is a a load of bullshit.
A month after visiting CIA headquarters, Binney came to Britain. After re-examining the data in Guccifer 2.0 files thoroughly with the author of this article, Binney changed his mind. He said there was “no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done”. The Guccifer 2.0 files analysed by Leonard’s g-2.space were “manipulated”, he said, and a “fabrication”.
Bill Benny, Trump Qult member
big claims
Couldn’t have that in a personality cult
couldn’t have non sequitur statements? well you just did
I guess you would say that if you didn’t understand. Makes sense that you don’t, given that you’ve been sucked into the cult of assange
yep, it has nothing to do with the
incredibly important information wikileaks has published
no no… it’s a cult omg oh noHe’s using the website as a vehicle to promote his own messiah complex, and idiots like you fall for it because it makes you feel edgy by association.
Give a plausible reason why he didn’t release info about Russia.
nah
Give a plausible reason why he didn’t release info about Russia.
they did not have that info to release.
wikileaks doesn’t magically generate leaks, they wait until someone else submits leaks to them.
learn to read
Truthfully it was also articles about them releasing DNC hacks but refusing to do rnc hacks that seemed most obvious to me.
At best they’re extremely partisan at worst they are a Russian asset.
refusing to do rnc hacks
no they did not! they never had leaks from the RNC and as such, could not release it.
you know they don’t do any hacking, right?
people (usually whistleblowers) leak info to wikiLEAKS, and then they verify it and publish it.
they would love to do rnc leaks if they had that information…
Unlike the US who is known to be very tolerant towards its enemies /s
Hillary Clinton wanted him assassinated… but yeah they don’t usually assassinate journalists
Although they don’t stand up to or prevent other countries from doing it in any way
true but pretty far from the point…
I found the multiple allegations of rape to be credible. I don’t support rapists.
that didn’t happen… he was never actually accused of rape, and the women who had complained about him retracted their complaints and said they were used as part of a political conspiracy against him.
he had condoms break while having sex with two different women who didn’t know about each other. it was a questionable coincidence, there was a question about if he had torn condoms on purpose… the women had only wanted him to be compelled to take an hiv test.
now tell me more about why you found “multiple allegations” credible???
that has been quite publicly disproven for quite some time now…
the women who had complained about him retracted their complaints and said they were used as part of a political conspiracy against him.
Could you please source this claim?
The WSWS continued: “The reason why there are still no charges placed against Assange is that the claims made by his accusers are not credible. His relations with the two women were consensual… An initial investigation of August 20, 2010 was dropped and an arrest warrant against Assange cancelled the next day by one of Stockholm’s chief prosecutors, Eva Finne, who said in a statement to the press: ‘I don’t think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape.’ The reissue of the warrant took place only after the intervention of Swedish Chief Prosecutor Marianne Ny on September 1, 2010.”
see also: assange was interviewed in sweden by prosecutors, was given permission to leave, and then the warrant was issued after he left…
assange claimed there were secret charges being brought against him in america, and this was all a pretext to get him extradited there, as sweden has very automatic extradition treaties with the us…
after they ecuador was taken over by fascists and assange was kicked out of asylum, wouldn’t you know it but america began their extradition process…after looking into it, it seems only one woman retracted her accusations… but that doesn’t change a whole lot as: he wasn’t charge, they only requested him for questioning, dropped the charges… and the timing is a little more than suspicious…
if he were a rapist, yeah then i’d be against him, of course… but if you break it all down, with a timeline of what they released on whom, it’s hard to take such accusations at face value.
here, we have Sweden officially dropping charges (again) in 2019. Because
the evidence “has weakened considerably.”
as in, the one other person the cia was paying to accuse him had changed her story? maybe? we’ll never know… the one person who continued, her story never changed and was never discredited (“credible”)…
so, it’s still a very bad maybe…
but again, give who and what he was leaking info on (us war crimes, entire u.s. embassy secret cables, the cia’s illegal “vault 7” spying stuff), one has to actually have really solid proof to consider negative publicity about this person… i’m sure he’s very flawed, but to just believe, on faith, these accusations is kinda whack…
(p.s. the Vault 7 leaker was “caught” with CSAM on his computer… which is a surprising coincidence and something that makes it taboo to talk about him at all anymore… also odd that a cia contractor with access to all of the cia’s hacking tools, wasn’t able to hide his own files, but i digress)another strange coincidence happened in 2019 with assange
On 11 April 2019, Ecuador revoked his asylum, he was arrested for failing to appear in court, and carried out of the Embassy by members of the London Metropolitan Police.[391] Following his arrest, the US revealed a previously sealed 2018 US indictment in which Assange was charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion
oh, and as to who he was leaking info on using fake and/or trumped up sex charges to make silence them, i would like to cite the Dead Kennedy’s “I Am the Owl”[1981]
I am your plumber, no I never went away I still bug your bedrooms and pick up everything you say It can be a boring job To monitor all day your excess talk I hear when you’re drinking and cheating on your lonely wife I play tape recordings of you to my friends at night We’ve got our girl in bed with you You’re on candid camera, we just un-elected you, ha I am the owl I seek out the foul Wipe ‘em away, keep America free For clean-livin’ folks like me, hey, hey
after looking into it, it seems only one woman retracted her accusations…
I asked if you could source the claim that the women did this. Now you say only one did, and you still have not provided a source. I read your entire comment and the linked article.
I asked if you could
and you’re not the boss of me… so go ahead and look up whatever you what to know
It’s on you to substantiate your claims.
That which is claimed without evidence can be rejected without evidence
the original interview i saw was with Sofia Wilen… can’t find it, but here’s this:
the evidence “has weakened considerably.
Despite her decision, Persson said in a news conference in Stockholm on Tuesday that she found the account of the alleged victim to be credible.
“I would like to emphasize that the injured party has submitted a credible and reliable version of events. Her statements have been coherent, extensive and detailed,” Persson said. She added, “However, my overall assessment is that the evidential situation has been weakened to such an extent that there is no longer any reason to continue the investigation.” The Swedish inquiry’s initial phase extended from 2010 to 2017. Persson said the long delay played a role in her decision, noting the difficulty of extracting reliable accounts from witnesses after such a long delay — particularly in a high-profile case that has been widely covered by the media.
It’s amazing what happens when you read the rest of the article and don’t just pick one out of context quote.
yep, no evidence
Yeah, not sorry, I don’t debate people who rabidly support rapists, either.
he has literally never even been accused of raping anyone
can you not read?
im not saying he’s innocent, i’m saying there was never actually any real accusation…but, clearly you’re a rapist or you wouldn’t be saying that.
What serious person is calling for his death?
That depends on your definition of “serious” … But why are you asking? I mean, Google is your friend here.
Some people confuse him for Edward Snowden (and vice versa). So he’s got that going for him too.
both hero’s
*Heroes
From your friendly neighborhood idiot/gman
From what I can tell, he started out as someone who just exposed a lot of dirty laundry. As the USA came after him more and more, he turned towards embracing more and more Russian influences.
I don’t believe all the shit they tried to use to get him out of the embassy and extradited to the USA. The rape allegations that appeared and disappeared randomly were too suspicious for my liking, and clearly the Swedish courts didn’t care much or they would’ve proposed a solution that wouldn’t see him extradited (i.e. video conference based court sessions).
I find it quite logical to “switch sides” if you’ve leaked information about a government that probably wants him dead. However, he did play a role in Russian disinformation campaigns, knowingly or unknowingly, and that’s Not So Great.
I think more than anything, Assange proved that regular people in the military are terrible. It’s easy to root for Snowden because “elitist government bad and scary” is easy to accept. Manning saw her comrades commit heinous crimes and decided to come clean, which I’m sure a lot of people in the military may have thought about. Assange, however, affected geopolitics in a way that went beyond merely protecting people, and could be classified as attacking the USA as a country. Revealing the internal communication between diplomats and the government did very little to expose crimes against humanity, and just made it harder to believe the things American representatives say. Revealing (partial) information about hidden operatives also wasn’t great, because now Americans were in danger because of him.
As a non-American, I don’t have any trouble with most of the information he revealed. However, I can understand why proud Americans would dislike him more than Snowden or Manning.
One of the things I struggle to understand (maybe I should read more about it) is how US law has jurisdiction to stifle speech outside of US territories.
Like if Romania declared Borat a state secret, would every pirate on that swarm with a seed ratio above 0.00 be subject to extradition?
One of the things I struggle to understand (maybe I should read more about it) is how US law has jurisdiction to stifle speech outside of US territories.
It doesn’t. All the USA can do is politely ask another country to take action. The other country can say “no, fuck you” (i.e. if they would ask Russia), or they can say something like “sure, but then we get to ask you to give us the criminals we’re looking for too”. In decent democracies there’s usually a judge that will rule if extradition is legal or not (for instance, countries without the death penalty will often hesitate to extradite to the USA when the criminals are likely to be sentenced to death), and in this case a judge ruled that extradition is allowed.
If Romania declared Borat a state secret, and an American judge would say “fair play to you”, then Romanian nationals living in the USA may find themselves extradited.
Like if Romania declared Borat a state secret, would every pirate on that swarm with a seed ratio above 0.00 be subject to extradition?
The USA wouldn’t do anything in that case. The problem for Assange is that he committed treason, breaking American laws, and being physically present in a country with an extradition treaty. If he had fled to Russia, like Snowden did, the American government would never have gotten their hands on him.
The US (and Canada, where I live) has an extradition treaty with Romania.
The US treaty does mention that
…neither Party shall refuse extradition based on the citizenship of the person sought.
But I haven’t read it in detail so that may or may not be relevant (the past I quoted is referring to a particular part of the treaty).
My understand is that typically the threshold for extradition is mutual criminality which I suppose is my answer to how US law applies itself outside US territories (because leaking state secrets is a crime in most countries). So I withdraw my inquiry.
If Romania declared Borat a state secret pirates could perhaps be extradited.
But also note that I don’t think Assange can be charged with treason, because he isn’t American.
Oh, you’re right, Assange isn’t American. I keep confusing him with the other whistle blowers. It can’t be treason, though I’m sure there’s some kind of “attack by a private person against the state” law.
I’m pretty sure the USA can ask for extradition if someone’s behaviour damaged Americans in some way. Hackers ransomwaring American companies and sometimes movie pirates get extradited to the USA, regardless of citizenship.
And now I think you’re part of the disinformation campaign. Although people have accused him of leaking information that compromised it an operatives, there should not have been any documents that he leaked that contain such information, which means other people were misclassifying data, and yet we have no evidence that any of them were ever pursued with prosecution. So then the whole claim looks a lot like a big lie.
And if the above argument is too shallow, we could look a little more deeply and ask who the agents are that add to be pulled out of their posts, and also whether foreign governments already knew that those people were agents, on account of the information being available from sources that were not top secret, that had presumably been compromised by some of the other major world spy agencies.
I don’t see how leaking diplomatic cables could be seen as attacking the United States as a country. Certainly it could be seen as undercutting the State Department, because it revealed how anti-democratic the State Department actually is.
he turned towards embracing more and more Russian influences.
he had a show on RT… that was literally it…
He gained a Russian bias in terms of what documents he published.
“A show on a dictatorial regime’s state TV” doesn’t exactly inspire much confidence either.
RT had a lot of independance, and putin’s dictatorial control hadn’t completely solidified yet.
if you couldn’t imagine them taking an opportunity to be broadcast all across the globe, then you’re very miopic.
it was an assange interview show… he interviewed people… it was a good show
aaaand, you’re repeating the same rumor over and over.
no, they didn’t show any bias in what they published. straight up liesRussian press freedom has been under attack since way before the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014. RT 10 years ago is not RT today, but it’s still not exactly an independent news source.
His willingness to publish documents incriminating some governments (famously the American government, of course) and not others shows a bias.
I’m not saying he’s an agent working for the Kremlin, but I do think he shows bias. And honestly, I can’t really blame him after the way the West treated him.
you definitely get it with RT having changed in the last decade…
but on Bill Maher he said A: they only publish things they can verify, and B: russia would not be shy about just assassinating him, so unfortunately they’re very hesitant to piss them off.
i need to find that clip and just reply with that…
Yes, literally a show on Russian state TV. He got a paycheck from the Russian government. I mean, is it that hard to grasp that this little fact makes the “he’s a russian asset” accusations at least understandable? And I am not saying he is one. I am not that informed about him and Wikileaks to have a strong opinion.
RT is not the russian government…
so everything else you have to say is pointless propaganda
claiming he’s definitely a russian asset because he had a tv show is like saying everyone that’s been on ABC is an american asset…
it’s worse than just stupidHard to imagine more miserable final for ‘world order challenger’ than employee of state-controlled ‘Russia Today’."
-Alexander Lebedev
Even Russian Oligarchs are laughing at how obvious it is.
uh huh… so after he’s already arrested and detained inside the ecuadorian embassy, he takes an opportunity to have a webcam interview show distributed on rt…
after he’s already internationally famous and has a shitload of money… he’s “paid employee of rt” and that discredits everything he did for years before and after that…
you sound a lot like a paid government employee
(p.s. rt was a lot freer then and had some pretty good journalism about topics other than russia… but go ahead and keep repeating yourself like an idiot)
RT is literally state controlled. It has no independence. It operates in literally the same offices as RIA Novosti.
You are out of your mind if you are trying to claim they are anything other than state TV by any meaningful definition.
they were state funded but not controlled back then, they’ve been slowly adding on censorship laws… not every human in russia is this super evil, red-scare, diabolical agent plotting against your freedom…
they were, very recently, much freer and more democratic… putin has slowly been turning it back into a dictatorship
see also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_UnionHow much of their funding came from the state? 100%? That’s 100% control.
cool how they played all those advertisements for freeee…
cool how NBC is 100% controlled by their advertisers…
cool how funding =/= control
You’re full of it. From the time they were founded, they operated in the same building as RIA Novosti. RT didn’t exist until AFTER the various independent journalists and their associations were ALREADY being rounded up and cast out of Russian society.
They are now and have always been state-controlled. Stop apologizing for dictatorships.
Stop apologizing for dictatorships
oh look, another stupid troll
Yeah, I think it’s too much to say he was a Russian asset because he was hired to interview people for RT. He may just as well just have been used by the network to score some quick views by having him show up. And it’s not like he could make his talk show in many western countries where he would be extradited the moment he crossed the border.
You are replying to every opinion in here that isn’t gargling his pasty white balls. You sound like a cultist tbh.
People claim “people were put at risk” but two things stand out.
- Since then has anyone died because of the leaks?
- What about the actual crime? Has anyone been procecuted ?
I think the answer to both is negative so its just that letter of law applies to the mighty. This time once again has proved it
It’s unlikely that no one died over the leaks. That alone doesn’t make leaking right or wrong though.
Obviously everyone involved responded quickly and got their at-risk people to safety. And even if spies got killed, I doubt the CIA would admit that their spies got caught.
As for indirect deaths (consequences of operations being scrapped, plans being altered, troops being redirected): it’s hard to tell. Maybe lives were saved, maybe lives were lost, it’s impossible to say.
So far, nobody seems to have been prosecuted yet. The case against Assange is still in progress, but a judgement in the case will follow soon enough.
If anyone should be facing a firing squad for putting people at risk, it would be Scooter Libby and Dick Cheney long before Assange. There are verifiable deaths from those leaks, yet nothing even close to justice has been visited on either of those traitors.
Because propaganda works.
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The USA created some thoroughly disproven ‘rape’ charges (it was never a rape charge but that was the media reporting and most people don’t read beyond headlines).
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Classic painting of him as a traitor. We have ‘evidence’ you can’t see that he works for [insert enemy here]
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If you go against Russia/China/North Korea/Iran/India, they send a hitman to assassinate you. If you go against US and its allies, they assassinate your character first and you die in an accident in the prison with the camera footage missing.
And this is if you are actually somewhat popular, if not there are a tons of black sites they where they do Russia/China/North Korea/India shit and their populace will deflect how they are more humane like their life depends on it.
He’s a traitor to the USA. Do you need anymore reason on Internet to be hated?
Read into what is known and what he is accused of, and decide for yourself whether he is a traitor or whistleblower. While it won’t change anything for him, you don’t have to agree with the government’s position
Not an American, nor was he living in America at the time. I fail to see how “foreign citizen acts in ways contrary to my country’s best interests” equals “treason”.
Now you understand what imperialism is or why they also hate Russian and chinese too.
He’s the reason we got Trump in 2016. He likes to pick and choose which facts to leak and which to keep concealed in order to further his own agenda. Not to mention he gets this information by stealing it, not because he’s privvy to it.
Edward Snowden is far more deserving of recognition for his whistleblowing. He didn’t do it to personally profit from it, just because he knew it was the right thing to do.
More like Assange outright feel into that z-tard hole and never once apologise for it cos he has no conscience.
because every time you type in “wikileaks” or “assange” online, an army if shills come in saying easily disproven lies about him.
he’s not that widely hated by real people… but everyone’s afraid to talk about him
He raped 3 women
Personally? Because being a (white male) whistle blower shouldn’t protect him from facing consequences for his sexual abuses, yet it seems to nonetheless.
Fuck him (though I’ve not said a word about him before this for longer than I can remember, so I don’t know if I fall in to the category of “hating on him”, I just don’t give a shit about him, and definitely don’t think he deserves the halo the public seem to have bestowed on him).
But he didn’t commit any sexual offenses in the US. There’s no reason to extradite him other than for his work as a journalist. I mean I think the guy is a scumbag but that’s an important freedom that the US intelligence services have been trampling for decades. Espionage and journalism are clearly distinct, but our legal system maliciously conflates them.
