Look, my ONLY goal is to have D’s in leadership because the alternative ushers in a totalitarian fascist hellscape russian client state. If Brandon fucks off to the next life while in office, I don’t care. His replacement won’t be a traitor.
No other consideration carries any weight.
Its an election of Hindenburg vs Hitler. It doesn’t matter. By participation you’re only giving it legitimacy.
BoTh SiDeS!!!1!
Go read up on Hindenburg. He also was the “lesser of two evils”. That’s the comparison I’m making.
False equivalency, fuck off.
Fallacy fallacy reconsider the argument.
No u. Also, fuck off fascist.
seems to me they are teh one who wants to stop fascism
I wouldn’t say it’s entirely apples to apples, but I get where you’re going with the comparison at least.
Look, my ONLY goal is to have D’s in leadership
DAE read this as dicks in leadership?
I assume the office attracts plenty of dicks.
Generally, people who seek power should NOT have it.
This logic destroys my fucking brain cells.
And trump/republicans would???!? What a fucking joke of an article to push lmao.
A reminder trump is a few years younger than Biden. Not by much.
If Trump drops dead from being old, bully for us. If Biden drops dead but Trump doesn’t we are fucked. That is the issue and risk. That is why we want a younger candidate. Why take the risk when you can avoid i?
This doesn’t make any sense to me. If Biden dies and Trump doesn’t then we will still have the VP. By the time the next election rolls around, assuming Trump loses, Trump will have already faded into obscurity.
They’re saying that if Biden died right now, President Harris would lose to Trump. Which she almost certainly would.
Eh. I don’t think so. She’s not Hillary Clinton she knows how to campaign and I’m pretty sure a dead fish could beat Trump after his last term.
I hope so, but after his rise to power I don’t know what to think, I just know we can’t get complacent. But I have no idea what the fuck the American people want so I have no idea if Harris would be seen as a good candidate by the non trump demographic.
According to polls she’s just outside the margin of error. (Usually about 3 percent). Polls that have her farther out also have Biden losing.
So that seems horrible but politics is weird and the act of swearing her in will actually bump her in the polls. Any competent politician will turn that into a “rally” moment. And this close to the election they can ride that bump straight into November.
Why?
Because Biden is still the person with the best odds to defeat Trump in an election.
That’s really all there is to it.
I’d rather run a younger candidate now and save the incumbent advantage for 2028.
It’s reasonable to think that the 2028 Republican candidate might be more of a threat.
I disagree. There have been LOTS of attempts to reproduce that Trump funk, but they all fall flat. I was far more worried about DeSantis. He’s modeled his whole persona after Trump and had quite a bit of success passing Trump policies in Florida… but he fell flat on the national stage. I can’t tell you why. He doesn’t seem like more or less of a conman. He’s equally sleezy and seems to have the same policy goals. But there’s clearly something the Qult sees in Don that Ron lacks.
It’s looking to me like the Trumpers are ride-or-die until Trump dies. I don’t know what will happen after that, but I don’t think they’ll seemlessly integrate back into any normal political party. Hopefully, they’ll form their own little ultra-right party and split the conservative vote permanently.
This is likely true but after the election does it matter? Trump likely won’t survive long enough for the next election anyways. This will finally leave everyone looking for real candidates.
Who knows, by then the Republicans might actually have a platform they can campaign on that doesn’t revolve around MAGA. I’m not holding my breath for that last one though. One can dream.
They’ll probably just keep running an AI Trump. Doesn’t even matter if the stormfront-sourced training set isn’t big enough because even the real Trump can blather on about changing Pennsylvanias name, toilets not flushing hard enough, and somehow injecting UV light into your body to fight viruses. AI fever dreams won’t even register as anything weird.
Covfefe.
It’s funny, when comedians imitate Trump they’re always more coherent. Because you have to make some sense to make a proper joke.
What’s incredible to me is that Seth Meyers’ impersonation of Trump is nothing like Stephen Colbert’s impersonation of Trump and yet you can tell both of them are impersonating Trump without being told.
I also want this, but it will not fucking happen this year. Both sides don’t play fair, just look at what they did to Bernie Sanders when he was fucking running.
Personally I was a fan of Yang too, but as far as I can tell, this machine seems to only have 2 gears. You can’t expect to try and hot swap one of those out without getting your fingers punched.
Local elections were always more effective, I think everyone could probably agree with that
Fuck RBG. Her legacy is pure dog shit to me. Fucking selfish bitch.
Manufactured outrage. It’s not like he could legally do another term after he’s elected in ‘24.
He’s extremely competent, ethical, and experienced.
Genocide Joe is the most ethical president the US had in a while.
Decades of presidents on both sides of the aisle have supported and sent arms to Israel.
It’s unfortunate (for everyone, especially the poor Palestinians) that Netenyahu is such a fucking creep and sleazeball that he manufactured this whole thing to distract from his deep shittiness. Biden happened to be the guy in the hot seat.
What do you mean he “happened to be the guy in the hot seat”? He gleefully sent more bombs during an ongoing genocide, no one really forced his hand did they?
Simple rules for rulers. You don’t become president of the US if you don’t commit genocide for all the rest of the people who want it; they ultimately elect you afterall. But remember if you aren’t president of the US, you can’t enfore any change at all, you have no power.
The most benevolent presidents will still continue to feed the war machine because they wish to be president and enact good. Biden just happened to be in the hotseat in this case, and if it has been Trump there would be war all over europe, nato disbanded and Russia getting Military funds instead.
Biden was not reluctant in his aid to genocide, he was gleeful. This wasn’t some lesser of two evils shit for him, this is what he wanted what he worked towards for decades.
NATO disbanded
the one good thing Trump threatened to do (he won’t actually do it).
Lmao “gleeful”. I think you misunderstand how your government works. Congress allocates the money, the president executes the spending.
The president sold weapons for Netanyahu’s genocide and didn’t have to go through congress to do it.
You’re pulling the “you don’t know how government works” Standard Centrist Gaslighting because you can’t defend Biden’s support for genocide.
Wrong again
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/29/politics/biden-congress-israel-military-aid/index.html
Just because I keep having to spell this out preemptively:
150million USD in equipment - 106 million USD as price = 44 million USD in military aid to an ongoing genocide without requiring approval from congress. Gleeful.
It’s not quite as simple as that. But I agree that it ain’t a good look.
It kind of is though, his stance has been well known for a while now
What Israel is doing is horrible. Don’t get me wrong.
Biden inherited a long-standing strategic alliance which was not ideal.
Biden helped to create that alliance lol.
Biden helped build that alliance for over 37 years now, thats how old that clip is. And he explicitly says that they would have to “invent an israel if it didn’t exist”. This man is not in some moral quandary, this is what he wants, what he wanted for a long time.
Genocide is an american problem, not a presidential one lmao.
It’s baked into the very soul of the nation.
The sad part is that’s probably true. Before that was Trump, Dronebama, and Bush - all four of them continued to support Israel so that’s a moot point when comparing them.
The same on the concentration camps on the border, the same on the policies in the middle east, the same on women and minority rights, they just all look the same don’t they.
Did I say they’re the same, or did I say Biden was the best/least worse of the most recent 4?
Im saying they’re the same. Or close enough to not matter.
Well I’m not, there’s a clear difference on them when it comes to minority/women’s rights.
Good job, soldier. 🫡
Not in terms of policies enacted. The concentration camps on the border were built by Obama and continued and expanded by both Trump and Biden, there is no discernible difference between them on immigration. Roe v Wade was never codified, Trans rights aren’t codified, nothing is getting done. The Iran deal just died and that’s it, Biden made no effort to reverse the stuff Trump did. At best some lip service “commitments” like the Paris Agreement. There was more covid relief under Trump than under Biden. Like what harm has the “harm reduction” candidate reduced?
Roe v wade got ganked on Biden’s watch. You heard him say anything about it since?
“That’s the way we’ve always done it” is a really shitty justification for supporting genocide.
Except there is a line of succession for president, whereas trump got to pick RBG’S successor.
Republicans have entered the chat and proceed to make up reasons why the line of succession doesn’t apply.
Which of course, was 100% her fault. Holding on to power into your 90s is really fucking stupid.
Do you not remember Obama trying to pick a justice at the end of his last term? The Republicans put up a fight and the Democrats backed down which is how we got a 6-3 court
RBG was a Supreme Court Justice with a lifetime appointment.
The comparison literally doesn’t make sense on any level whatsoever.
Yeah, I’m confused about this take. RBG should have stepped down because by not doing it she created the opportunity for Trump to tilt the majorities in the Supreme Court. Notably, nobody had the balls to criticise her for it, even after she died and made that exact thing happen.
If Biden dies in office Trump doesn’t get to pick the vice president. And somehow he still gets constant crap despite the other guy being just as old.
We’re doing “but her emails” again. I thought we weren’t gonna do “but her emails” again.
I think she was trying to wait out Trump before stepping down. And even if she stepped down before Trump took office the GOP would’ve tied that seat up, Obama couldn’t even his pick in with a year left till election.
Biden is probably in a similar boat.
That’s why she should have stepped down much sooner. Had she done it on the first year of Obama it wouldn’t have been feasible to delay for that long. And yet you heard the mildest possible suggestion that this was the case before she died and barely anything at all after.
So why go so hard with Biden when the other guy isn’t even four years younger and was already in a questionable mental state before he ran?
Because her emails.
You know what pisses me off the most? When all is said and done and democracy is a vague memory among the cave-dwellers, we’ll all have to admit that the stupid combover and the orange spray actually worked. Dumb orangutan guy managed to hold the fiction that he’s not decrepit by spray painting himself and shouting past his brainfarts, and it’s actually gonna get him the election, with the cooperation of tons of well meaning “just asking valid questions”.
I could see her staying on the court even through Obama’s first term, but when he won his reelection, that was the time.
And that’s not just hindsight either, there was plenty of discussion about it.
Of course there’s also the issue of McConnell’s shitty stunt in the Garland nomination (and the reverse shitty stunt for Barrett) and I will celebrate the day that piece of shit dies for those, but the first year of Obama’s second term would have been plenty of time to get it done.
But yeah, in a just world, a senator from Kentucky deciding for the entire country that he’s going to go against his constitutional duty and refuse to take up the Garland nomination for a year and a half?
That’s when he’s dragged out off the Senate floor, out onto the capital lawn, and hanged for attempting a coup.
After that’s done, everybody goes back inside and whoever is the backup Senate majority leader is asked to take up the nomination. At that point it’s unlikely they refuse.
Dragged out by whom?
Because we all watched and nobody did anything meaningful. The trumpies didn’t even win the last election and were willing to overrun the Capitol to complain about it being stolen. At some point all the violent fantasies have to either trigger some action or get realistic.
For now with “everybody shut up about Biden’s age and go vote when the time comes” I’d be just fine. Because, in case we forget in all the fervor, that stuff would also not have been a problem had Cinton won.
I have a feeling that if Biden dies in office, suddenly there will be this concern whether Harris was born in Kenya and can’t be president and the Speaker of the House should be elevated instead (assuming the GOP maintain their leadership).
Well, they can be concerned all they want, but ultimately things work how they work. So no, that scenario is complete fiction and there is no valid equivalence between a Supreme Court Justice and a President in terms of succession.
I think a lot of the “concern” over Biden’s age is really because they’re terrified of a black woman getting the presidency. They hate her more than they hate him.
She’s Indian, not black
If the president dies in office, the constitution requires the vice president to become president. It doesn’t matter if anyone has concerns, there is no mechanism to prevent the VP from taking over.
The constitution also requires that the vice president to meet all the conditions for a president. The constitution also requires that the president appoint judges and that the Senate confirms them.
Look, I’m not disagreeing with you. But at the end of the day, the constitution is just a piece of paper. Its power is in the individual people who swear to honor, uphold, and protect it. One party has definitely shown that they won’t do that.
I’m not holding my breath that the Republicans will do the right thing if power is to be had.
Any claims of her ability to be president were satisfied the moment she was seated as vice president.
Their point is that Republicans will claim she doesn’t. And they control the Supreme Court. Which means they are the final arbiters of this, not you, and not me. And not the plain text of Constitution either
This isn’t about textual interpretation and this isn’t about what the Constitution says. This is about power. That’s it.
The Republicans will control the judiciary for a generation. That means they have sole authority over what the Constitution means and does not mean. Their rulings can be as arbitrary as they want and it won’t matter. There is no oversight of the Supreme Courts rulings and there is no appeal from their orders.
SCOTUS has been captured by a domestic terrorist organization masquerading as a political party. That is a problem that needs to be solved before we ever start seriously talking about how process and procedure can save us. Hopefully law enforcement can prosecute some of the GOP Justices for their obvious corruption, but even that is unlikely as federal law enforcement has also been infiltrated by Trumpists.
This is a very bad situation. But you can’t put your trust in the rule of law. Because Republicans control the rule of law, and they will achieve their desired outcomes by any means necessary
My point is that there is no opportunity for Republicans to do the right thing, wrong thing, or anything at all. Succession is automatic.
LBJ was sworn in only two hours after JFK died. While he was flying home on Air Force One.
Unlike appointing judges, there was no need for action on the part of Congress and therefore no way for the GOP to stop him. LBJ didn’t even need the SCOTUS, a lower judge administered the oath and it was all over. If the GOP had a problem with LBJ’s qualifications, the only recourse would be impeachment after the fact.
there is no opportunity for Republicans to do the right thing, wrong thing, or anything at all. Succession is automatic.
Not if SCOTUS disagrees
Precedent has no binding control over what they will do
The SCOTUS can’t hear a case on two hours notice. So if they have anything to say, it would be after the succession.
We’re doing “but her emails” again. I thought we weren’t gonna do “but her emails” again.
Your making it sound like that strategy was a mistake and not intentional.
Remember when we weren’t allowed to have a real primary in 2020 because Bernie was too much of a risk because Trump might get a second term? The left remembers…
No, I don’t ever remember that. I remember Bernie calling “conspiracy” when Warren dropped out, because he knew he would never defeat Biden in a fair 1:1 fight. He needed Warren to split the vote. This is also the reason Harris dropped out. Harris and Biden were going to take the same votes.
Biden and Harris are better politicians, because they actually know how to play.
You might not be in a position to judge Biden’s senility, you’re having a senior moment. Everyone EXCEPT Warren dropped out for Super Tuesday.
Typical lying BernieBro. I didn’t mention Super Tuesday, you did.
OK so when did it happen then?
I remember Bernie calling “conspiracy” when Warren dropped out
Got a source for that?
Yes, the actual election results where Bernie lost by more the second time than he did the first. He knew he couldn’t win a 1 on 1, he knows half the party hates him.
So you lied about him calling “conspiracy.”
No, it may have just been supporters, but I remember the faux outrage that she would drop out. I know my lived experience. You all know he can’t win a fair primary, and he’d fair even worse in the general.
No, it may have just been supporters,
So your assertion that Bernie said it was a conspiracy was a lie. Full stop.
No, I believe I remember such statements coming from his campaign, and his campaign speaks for him.
The outrage was in.the opposite direction of what you’re saying here. Bernie supporters were mad she didnt drop out, because her voters leaned more left than most of the field in the primary. The accusation was that she was splitting the vote to hurt Bernie, not to hurt Biden
Not how I remember it, but I think they were all reaching for straws to explain another failed attempt. So, I wouldn’t be surprised to find done arguing both sides of the coin. Bernie’s only hope was splitting the the rest of the vote. He simply never had a good coalition of Democrats, and his constant insults to the party didn’t help him any.
I don’t think that’s accurate, I think most polls show that Warren support tended to come from people between Biden and Bernie.
You mean the conspiracies that she was staying in to split the left vote and help Biden? What are you on about, this is the opposite of what happened. Do you not remember the snakes thing to try and get her to drop so Bernie could pick up her supporters?
lol, Well she dropped out. How’d that go?
That’s not how the presidency works? If he dies, the Senate can’t hold the presidency open until they place a Republican in there. Kamala Harris just steps into the position.
But then again, this is Business Insider.
So we’d get president Harris. What’s the issue?
Normally I would not like that outcome, but considering that the alternative is a man who thinks “indictment” starts with the letter N, I can stomach it.
Funny how they never seem to mention trumps age even though they are almost the same age…
Because they’re both unfit for office.
Similar to how a bonfire and the Sun are both hot.
How does that even make sense in this context? It’s not like one of them are in their 50s. They’re both pushing 80.
Regarding the term “unfit,” one is worse than the other. One is old and not doing enough; the other is old, actively dragging the country backwards, and did an insurrection.
One being exceptionally bad doesn’t automatically make the other one good though.
Okay?
Yea, I guess that’s true. Do you want to be standing in the middle of either?
oh fuck off
this is uncivil
No u
No, this is Patrick!
Remember when we weren’t allowed to have a real primary in 2020 because Bernie was too much of a risk because Trump might get a second term? The left remembers…
Oh, they were in your face with it:
Clyburn calls for Democrats to ‘shut this primary down’ if Biden has big night
How was there not a real primary?
The party organized a mass dropout of non-Warren neolibs (Obama literally called Mayor Pete and Klobuchar per reporting from the time) to consolidate the right wing vote behind Biden despite him coming in around 5th in the pre-South Carolina states as they panicked when Bernie was winning. That’s why they promoted South Carolina in the primary, the DNC will never carry it within our lifetimes, but it has a tiny, party-over-principles democrat electorate they can dictate the vote of in a way they can’t other early states.
but it has a tiny, party-over-principles democrat electorate they can dictate the vote of in a way they can’t other early states
Rep. Jim Clyburn helped Biden win young Black voters in 2020. This time, they’re not listening.
Well, so much for that…
All true but I don’t agree that this meant there wasn’t a primary. They just conspired to win the primary.
Also, don’t presume to know the future. Maybe the revolution will start in South Carolina. State politics don’t change overnight but they are also not as static as we often assume.
I’d argue a Russian-style “election” isn’t an election, since the result is preordained by a single group of oligarchs, so it wasn’t really a primary in 2020. I guess the bright side is now they don’t even pretend to let their electorate vote anymore, so it’s honest at least.
Even if the DNC started having token primaries again (which I’m skeptical of now that they’re openly using their national party power to bar candidates from state primary ballots) even a Schumer-backed Obama-style “revolution” from within the party’s center-right leadership will be rendered impossible with South Carolina as the first state. It’s alllllllll Hillaries from here on out…
Well I think this is not a black and white issue. In Russia, Sanders would be arrested or killed. Here the oligarchs don’t have complete power, and if we assume they do, we cede them more power. Sanders could have won the primary—it was not a foregone conclusion. And I think your assumption that South Carolina is only party loyalists is mistaken. If the left wing speaks to those voters directly, they can be persuaded.
Let’s also not ignore the fact that the DNC runs the primaries, and the eventually nominee is purely their decision. Effectively, the actual primaries are more for them to gauge the popularity of various candidates.
Let’s also not pretend that they were ever going to let Sanders be their nominee… someone who’s not even a party member.
It would be more surprising if he’d won the primary process and the DNC actually backed him than the alternative of them simply saying no, he’s not a party member, we’ll choose the highest finishing actual Democrat instead.
So you admit that the primaries are a facade and that we are not a democracy?
In which case, we should openly admit that and teach our children as such. Otherwise, China will do so for us on TikTok and elsewhere
Let’s also not ignore the fact that the DNC runs the primaries, and the eventually nominee is purely their decision.
…what William Greider said here, basically.
The dnc going to court to have it legally decided that they do what they want and their voters/supporters can go eat a dick says everything you need to know about the dnc.
Democrats are still mid right and faschie light. Hell, they attack leftists harder than they do Republicans. Blame us for losing elections but anytime policy or candidates come up we get told to shove it until an election comes around and we get blamed again.
I’m not quite following, so the right side of the party consolidated because they didn’t want to split their vote, but wasn’t the left side already consolidated behind Bernie?
Good Lord the idea that you think mayor Pete is not a neoliberal. That’s so freaking hilarious.
They are calling him a neolib. They’re just calling him a non Warren neolib.
Which is accurate. Because all neolibs except for Warren are non-Warren neolibs.
The poster was saying that Pete is a neolib of the non-Warren variety. You misread their intent. They were criticizing Pete (and Klob)
Oh we definitely remember.
I’m not sure what “mistake” Biden could be repeating here. If he dies in office, Harris becomes President.
If they want to argue that if he dies before the election that leaves the Democrats with no clear candidate which would lead to a Trump win they need to be more clear about that.
Harris, undoubtably, would see herself as the candidate as the sitting President, which makes sense, see Johnson - 1964, but her unpopularity even among her own staff would make her unelectable.
But that’s not a Biden problem and that’s not the same mistake Ginsberg made.
My only real concern is if he dies after getting on the ballot, but before January 20th. We need him in a plastic bubble those months.
There’s a fantastic novel on the topic called “The People’s Choice” by Jeff Greenfield of all people.
Here’s the scenario:
Election happens, winner dies, but he dies before the elecoral certification.
VP thinks he’s the candidate, but he isn’t.
The 2nd place finisher argues he should be President as the next largest vote getter.
Faithless electors then decide who becomes President.
In reality, electors are generally party loyalists. They would vote along party lines, probably for the VP.
I’m not sure I understand your comment, if him and Harris win the election then she would still become president if he dies in The intervening time between then and January 20th. They would have voted for her on the ballot that’s how the election works.
I guess I’m less certain that is correct. Maybe after the house certifies the election it’s fine. But you know Republicans will stink about it, and SCOTUS may side with them,
I really wonder how much of this “Biden old” talk is just GOP propaganda.
Is it propaganda if it’s true? 80 is old as fuck.
Name one other industry or company who would hire an 80 year old. Not saying he can’t do the job, just saying 80 is fucking old to still be working and it’s a valid concern.
Is it propaganda if it’s true?
Yes. Propaganda is just promoting a certain ideology over another. That classification has nothing to do with truthfulness or even the virtues of the ideology it is used to promote.
I had literally never seen this dumbass RBG comparison until a day or so ago. Suddenly, in the past few days, I’ve seen multiple people use RBG as an argument against Biden.
This is absolutely astroturfing.
I’ve been thinking it since he started hinting that he’d run again, as have most of my left-to-left-leaning friends
You and most of your left leaning friends have been making a specific comparison between Biden and RBG for weeks? Can you articulate why?
Yes, but it isn’t necessarily complicated. We don’t want people wielding power longer than they should. RBG, whom I admire immensely, was a fool to not step down. Biden represents a political return to form that inadequately services vast swaths of Americans. They aren’t specifically related, true. But I think Biden, while certainly effective at certain objectives, is incapable of navigating the pulse of many younger Americans.
It might be a “broken clock is right twice a day” situation.
Jon Stewart’s glorious return to The Daily Show covered this very topic.
Liberals have the right to question our leadership. It’s okay for us to wonder if the president has the ability to make good decisions.
The problem is that conservatives won’t hear the same questions for their candidate.
Liberals have the right to question our leadership.
And those of us to the left of liberals have the right to question the leadership liberals have stuck us with.
Exactly. You don’t get to have orthodoxy when your party is made up of a massive coalition because of our shitty voting system.
I don’t want to vote for Biden, but I’m gonna. And I reserve the right to be unhappy about it and express this.
But if the Democratic Party wants to be jackboots like the Rs then democracy is already dead here.
