And this is why Democrats will keep losing.
10+ brand new accounts commenting in this thread, with 2 of them less than a day old. Did Lemmy get an influx of new accounts or are these bots?
Probably both!
People think the Democrats are losing relevance because they’re “Too woke”, and “No one cares about transpeople when there are bills to pay”
It’s really because they do shit like try to compromise with someone who wants to kill you by agreeing to let them cut off an arm.
i have a question - where is Kamala Harris in all this ? She lost the prez race and decided to just give up on her dreams of creating a better USA? This is the perfect moment for her to step up, invite people for resistance, lead that resistance and be the leader she claimed to be.
She was a failed candidate in 2020, picked based largely on identity for VP by a presidential nominee that was really only liked as a remnant from a administration for which he was also picked largely based on identity. Towed the party line during increasing displeasure with the party heads, then failed spectacularly in an election.
Even if I believed she truly had dreams of creating a better USA, it’s best for her to not be prominent member.
At this point US needs leaders who can mobilize people and spearhead protest marches in the street. AOC is perfectly positioned to call for such protest march. If she does that and become figurehead of the Dem Allies against MuskTrump axis, she might get elevated to same status as MLK and may be even Lincoln. And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
Kamala lost and she lost badly. She’s not going to be the figurehead
Where are all the 2a folks who are going to stop the ‘tyRAnNicAl gOvERnMenT’
It’s our tyrannical government, so it’s okay.
you know 2a extends to every american, not just the ones who want to marry kids?
“Tyranny is only when the evil Commie Leftists tell you that its wrong to call peoppe by slurs.”
– Average 2A supporter mindset
They’re helping a tyrannical government seize power. Time to exercise your rights.
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment. The fact that she is able to articulate our current crisis is amazing.
She’s one of the most prominent progressives in America there are few more appropriate choices.
It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment.
I can think of no shoulders more capable.
It should not be on her shoulders only.
It should not, no. But here we are.
Unfortunately everyone else seems to be complicit.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Both parties need to split up into new parties. However, the money flowing is incentive to prevent them from doing that. Party splits have happened before several times in US history. This time the billionaires are funding all of this chaos thanks to legislation they started passing since post Watergate. How do we get them to split? Take the money out or give them more money than the billionaires can. Both resolutions that should not require drawing blood. How do we do that? I have no idea how to fund more money than billionaires, but being somewhat of an optimist, 99% of the population can probably figure out a way once they stop this tribal mentality of red vs blue.
TBH we should probably stop regurgitating state propaganda trying to convince us that violence isn’t a valid form of protest.
Because the rich have backed themselves into a corner where the only thing that will snap them out of their delusions of world domination is to be forced by the rest of us to confront their own mortality.
the population can probably figure out a way once they stop this tribal mentality of red vs blue
which is never going to happen. one side has to lose. buy guns.
Once Conservatives and “centrists” stop handing power to the worst people we could probably just start reversing this global shift to the right even just with that. Progressive candidates are all over, we’re just too collectively stupid to vote for them.
Stop salty or buttering it up.
It isn’t playing nice if you know the people you’re approving are fascists. It makes them rolling over even worse. Republicans had no issue obstructing whenever they felt needed.
I’ve tried talking to Trump voters. It’s fucking impossible because they live in an alternate universe and see a completely different reality than everybody else.
You are a weird, see it with your eyes, or congress.
If only AOC stopped playing nice with the rail corporation and didn’t vote to prevent a union strike.
AOC is 100% correct.
She suggested the full dem party to stop focusing on pronouns and idpol way back when Biden was still on ballots.
She took her pronouns out of her bio which is 100% correct, no one cares about that shit
She’s saying the thing the Radical Tankie Left has been saying since the Clinton Era. It’s good to hear someone in her position repeating the message one more time. But the fact that it has to come from a fringe member of a fringe caucus, rather than - say - Hakeem Jefferies or Dick Durban, is depressing.
We’re so far away from a McConnell style “We’re going to make Obama a one-term President” moment. Liberals simply cannot understand politics as conflict. Its always just make’n deals for your district’s rich friends and stuffing your own pockets along the way.
Liberals ✊✊✊💦💦💦
Updoots to the left
“We’re literally losing our democracy!!!”
votes for it to continue for the 200th time in a row
“How could this happen?!”
helps them do it again
A vote for the democrats is a vote for Trump.
Uhhhh
I’m pretty sure they’re being sarcastic.
Right?
Right?
Sounds very democratic of them
Fuck the democrats. Let’s take BERNIE and AOC, and replace the rest in the next election.
They’re not even good enough. Both of them are turncoats. Bernie “the word genocide makes me quesy” Sanders is voting in Trump’s nominees. AOC endorsed Kamala and reinforced the “working tirelessly for a ceasefire” bullshit, every two minutes she’s folded on something new.
You know what, I’d take “not good enough” over “actively dismantling our democracy”, but fuck me I guess
Great, so we’re already “lesser of two evils”-ing our hypothetical new party designed to replace the Democrats. Just great.
Here’s an idea. If we’re replacing the Democratic Party, let’s ONLY include people who aren’t traitors. Can we find five or ten people like that amongst the American population of 330 million people?
Nah, I’m just saying you’re being too picky. Right now, I don’t really think there’s anything wrong with rallying around a message of “Not Trump, Not Fascism”. You know, considering those are the things that are currently dismantling our democracy.
Calling people turncoats when they should be considered allies does nothing to fight the real, current threat in office. All this infighting just sets us back and puts us further down the road to fascism. This quest for the perfect liberal party is a waste of effort because it’s so pie-in-the-sky and borderline impossible to actually achieve in any meaningful length of time.
It sucks, but that’s reality. Our democracy is fucked, and trying to find even more idealist liberals to replace the likes of Bernie and AOC isn’t gonna fix it.
I could not have been more clear - I completely reject the idea that we should be preemptively compromising our morals in a hypothetical new party designed to replace the morally compromised Democratic party. This is literally INSANE. Like, can we as a society even brush our teeth without compromising with the perpetrators of genocide and global empire? You’re already PLANNING a moral compromise for a political party that doesn’t even EXIST yet?
K good luck making any progress or solving any problems whatsoever then*. One day you might realize that the real world is shitty and messy and requires compromise.
The moral compromises we’re talking about are literally giving up on solving problems preemptively. You’re talking about making plans for the future, designing new things from scratch, you have every tool in the world at your disposal, a blank canvas, and you take a huge paintbrush and dip it into a whole house-sized can of black paint and just start smearing it everywhere.
AOC endorsed Kamala
Right, I’m sure the current situation is better than endorsing Kamala…
That’s part of what the republican partys done that’s made them so successful. If your representatives don’t represent you, primary them.
Shit, Democrats don’t even give us a chance to primary, they just pick whoever they want.
In NJ, they had what was referred to as the county line, which would basically put the Democratic party’s candidate first on a ballot. It was abolished this year, but the idea was that the positioning on the ballot made it easier for people to just vote down the line, but the result was that you didn’t necessarily have a fair vote.
The elite Democrats aren’t worried about fighting back.
They are trying to figure out how they can win the next round AND HOW THEY WILL USE THE SYSTEM TO THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE ONCE THEY REGAIN CONTROL.
We need another party that is actually for the people.
Green party right there
What if I don’t believe in the healing power of crystals?
Green “Sitting Down With Putin For Dinner” Party?
Yeah, we want a party not beholden to oligarchs…
How big is the green party?
How many of them do you suppose vote in the green party primaries?
How many people do you think it might take to just walk in and take it over?
Yeah, we want a party not beholden to oligarchs…
Its a big club and you ain’t in it.
Right? I make no bones about the situation at all…
Stop nominating psycho con artists and we can talk.
you still talk to democrats, curious.
Alright if that’s your view of it then fine, punch them down, but prop something up that’s suitable. America is on fire right now. The people need something to rally behind that isn’t MAGA. All the opposition wants to do is infight. There’s nothing uniting everyone except Fuck Trump.
Did it matter in WW2 that the Allies didn’t have more to rally behind than Fuck Hitler? Anything is more suitable than fascism.
WWII was Hitler and friends going out and killing the neighbors. If he was just an asshole, the war wouldn’t have happened.
I’d love to see them do something other than show up every 4 years and only for President, too.
That brand has been ruined, as far as I can tell. Also, the name just screams single issue…
Yup, the “only turning up to attempt to spoil the presidential race for the democrat candidate every 4 years” just screams “Russian plant” to me. If they actually wanted to affect change, they would start at the local level and grow from there. But they aren’t actually interested in changing anything; They just want to poach votes from democrats, to hand the win to republicans.
At best, if we assume they actually have good intentions, they’re the equivalent of jumping straight into the deep end of the pool without even knowing how to swim. Except they keep jumping in every 4 years, despite the fact that they have put zero effort into learning how to swim.
They are active throughout all the year. Just that they get ignored by the corporate media until it is election time. Almost as if the corporate media has an interest to only use them for diversion and not in honestly representing their political positions.
There is green partys all over the world and they cover all political topics.
What do you want parties to be called to not sound single issue?
The party for peace and prosperity under a reasonably regulated economy with free education and workers right, environmental protection and representative democracy and a yet to develop position on electric vehicle subsidies…
And one of their opponents would be:
The party for peace and prosperity under a reasonably regulated economy with free education and workers right, environmental protection and representative democracy and a no subsidies for electric vehicles but more for public transport…
So the PPURREFEWREPRDYDPEVS vs. the PPURREFEWREPRDNSEVMPT
Look, I’m just saying that looking like they are only about the environment is a non-starter in the USA, anyway. Hate to say it, but the Green Party is more or less a punchline in the United States. When it comes down to it, everyone wants clean air and clean water - even the cons don’t want pollution where THEY live (and most normal Americans understand the stakes when it comes to climate change).
But as a brand…the qons have done so much to smear anyone concerned primarily with environmental things as just a hippy-dippy granola dipstick that is into jam bands - it’s a caricature for sure, but it works.
A party needs to have broader appeal than just that.
But people don’t consider the Republicans as a single issue party, that want a republic, or the Democrats as a single issue party, that want democratic elections.
For the green parties, claiming them to be single issue is a narrative that is repeated, for instance by corporate media that does not want people to realize that there is more progressive political positions than privatized healthcare and a limited number of sick days.
Democratic Party: “The green party are con artists that are bought out by the Russians and only show up every 4 years, so anything except the Democrats is completely nonviable”
Democrat voters: “Oh my god! The green party are con artists that are bought out by the Russians and only show up every 4 years, so anything except the Democrats is completely nonviable”
They’re not wrong
Oh yeah, could be, but they had jack shit to back it up.
Hasn’t been relevant since Nader, has no brand power, might as well start from scratch.
I honestly do think they could have pushed through a lot worse than Burgum and Rubio. Hegesth didn’t get a single D vote and also lost 3 R votes but still got approved because they only needed 50 R and 1 VP to tiebrake it.
We cannot stop fascism, the people already voted for it, the most we can do is damage control, and sometimes that means approving selfish assholes who at least aren’t as poisonous as another Russian Plant and/or Fox News Host.
