Trump is winning all these states and look at the percentages. How?
Peter Thiel is delighted.
Humans are so fucking stupid…
Rural areas tend to be less wait and faster results than urban areas.
This goes doubly so in red states that have blue cities.
Every election the Republicans get a huge headstart because the first to report are the most likely to vote R.
The cities take forever, because there’s a shit ton more votes to count.
66M+ voted for a fascist-wannabe self-proclaimed dictator-moron. No matter how it ends, it’s fucking embarrassing.
Also a lot of states arent allowed to count mail in ballots after 8 pm or some shit, so expect a pump on the east coast sometime in the morning when they start getting counted again.
Yes, but they’re not winning the cities by anywhere near the margin they need to to pull it out.
This is really fucking bad, even if they find an ass to pull a W out of.
Going to be a god tier comeback if it happens. Harris is underperforming against 20 Biden in nearly every metric.
Philadelphia County is the big one for me.
Biden was 81% of that vote, but Harris is only 78%. If Harris is losing vs Biden in the most important county and with a -4% statewide deficit and 78% counted it’s really not good.
I’m not sure where the votes can come from to get Harris PA. It’s still too close to call but vs 2020 everything is worse.
I really believe it’s because Harris a woman. Guess this country is still to racist and sexiest for a woman president.
More than that.
Half Indian and half black will be seen as a race traitor to Indian nationalists.
The way Democrats look at racism is fucking stupid and ignorant. You need to learn how minorities look at racism to understand.
Look at the reporting percentages for GA, PA, WI: 94%, 87%, 83%, respectively. That is not a lot of votes left to count.
Blue shift is still possible but it’s a pathetic joke that it’s this close at all.
Blue shift is still possible
Seems incredibly unlikely at the moment. It would need a miracle
If there is a benevolent God, then this is the shit that could convince me that they might exist
It’s just denial at this point if anyone still believes it’s possible. Harris will concede by tomorrow.
She absolutely should not concede and should fight tooth and nail to verify, otherwise america is literally given up to facism…
Not conceding when you lost every swing state AND the popular vote would be a Trumpian thing to do. No, the right move, even though it’s painful, is to concede.
That’s nothing more than copium at this point. Face reality, Americans will vote for racist and fascist of you promise them lower egg prices.
Americans are just that stupid.
I mean they’re also racist, misogynist, xenophobic, and hate-filled. A lot of them are saying they’re voting for egg prices…
Can we stop saying “copium”? It was always stupid
new days new words. has always been this way. it’s just a sign you are old. join the club of grumpy old people. we still use all the old 90s words that pissed out parents off.
Yeah I don’t really care who thinks I’m old
Is it tho??
No it isn’t. It is essentially statistically impossible.
“America is rotten to the core”
The fact he gets this many votes? And its this close? Enough people are swayed by him and his policies. America is a bully at heart and he speaks to the hatred at the core of our country. - Texan
America talk about a complete self own. Letting a felon, rapist, con man rule the country. I am sure things are going to work out great.
I hate this and I want out.
*again
To our credit, only one of those three was proven before 2016.
This is just stupid now that we know all three.
Fool me once…
I think this country has just shown who it really is. One could say we were conned in 2016 but now everyone knows who he is and still voted for him. This is who we are apparently.
Correct. This country is fucking trash.
I actually think you’re wrong. Having MAGA family members, I tuink they are legitimately brainwashed. They are in a bubble where they don’t hear the bad about Trump. They only hear good things about him and ad things about his enemies. Some of what they hear is true, much of it is lies, all of it is intended to scare.
I think that, had these people heard the same things the rest of us did, at least some of them would be voting differently. Not all, but enough.
It’s a good thing that the department of education is the first thing to go. We can’t have an educated populace to raise a stink or anything.
This is who a majority are. They will get their rewards.
What reward? Maga are also getting eaten by leopards pretty soon (oh so this is what tariffs means). But eh they owned the libs
To be fair this is who the electoral college is. She probably got better than 50% of the popular vote.
She’s down around 5 million votes which is unbelievable.
At least he’s not black and or a women. Democracy is saved.
You missplelled white supremacy. In the end dumb white folks without degrees that were losing their privileges when put to fair competition in the job market, put him back in office. Murica
This world is fucked.
I really feel for my kids, man. I really thought we could defeat this shit but the racism and sexism is just too much.
Ukraine is toast, Europe better prepare for millions of refugees, Taiwan is fucked, we are fucked fucked fucked.
Me and my wife were waiting on how this election went before having kids. Got a call with the vasectomy office tomorrow.
Thank you for being sane and reasonable.
It’s not really that reasonable. In 10-20 years sane people will die out cause evolution apparently
What I propose instead is to adopt
We adopt cats and dogs yet we can’t muster courage to do the same for fellow humans?
Oh I would adopt too. I thought it was stupid to raise kids when I’m broke and facism was knocking on the door.
If my kid was a disabled queer like I am, they’d have a hard time telling me what they are thinking, and I have a hard time understanding direct statements.
If I had sex with someone of color, that kid is even more at risk. It’s not fair to give them a chance to be hated for something they can’t control, and never asked to be targeted for their skin.
It’s immoral to me, and I find people who had kids in the Post-Trump America morons who want more blood on the ground for corporations and water wars.
It’s not stupid to raise kids the right way when facism is knocking at the doors. On the contrary, it is necessary.
For evil to win it is enough if good people do nothing.
And if the fascists win and give the kids scars mentally and physically, they never asked for?
My parents had me and they expected a positive outcome. Then things got way worse without them seeing it happening. My life was set up to be good, they planned ahead. And then it was taken away from them.
Now they had to raise a kid in poverty, have another kid attend classes, as the mom snaps from the stress and abuses all of her family.
You can plan to stop fascism as much as you think you can give birth to the person who cures all cancers or solves world hunger. What you plan for isn’t guaranteed to happen. I expected Clinton to win against Trump. I expected Harris to win against Trump.
And now every child forced into birth from lack of abortion access has a horrid life to live. If they are anyone the Trump fascists hate, they will be bullied or maimed. You can’t lynch someone who’s never been born.
I couldn’t live with my kid being harmed. By myself, trying my best. Or someone acting in bad faith to hurt them. I don’t want to give someone who never asked to be born to ask “Why?”
Well the other side has no such thoughts at all. They multiply without hesitation or second guessing. Unfortunately the laws of evolution are cruel and in such world one can only hope to shape their descendants and what is left there after the departure.
To cultivate our traditions of empathy we must overcome these doubts lest all is left are traditions of facism
…Are you me? And don’t forget, the Supreme Court can always get worse…It’s all going to get worse - except for the rich. 🎉
And not just the Supreme Court how many more federal judges are going to be propped up.
Yep, this is not a four year change, this could last for a very very long time.
+4°C (or more)
I’m honestly burnt after tonight. I’m stun locked at the number of fellow Americans that voted for this shit stain. I’m turning off politics, dc’ing from socials, and restricting txts.
Need to sleep, then regather what to do tomorrow and for the future. Maybe use all of my banked time off.
:'( I feel ya.
We can still hold out hope. MI is trash in this take, and the remaining uncalled could reasonably turn the tide in those states.
For now.
I don’t think ‘hope’ will cut it
The Democrats have managed to field two candidates so unelectable they lost to Donald fucking Trump. That’s how. And we, the Democratic constituents, are failing to either take over or dismantle the Democratic party so we can get a halfway decent candidate in. We fucking suck.
I am in tears from the laughter on the tone deaf liberals even on this very post.
Harris didn’t lose “because of racism and sexism”. Like I genuinely don’t have the energy to explain it anymore at this point. Even if I did, liberals would close their eyes and pretend they didn’t see anything because they would rather plunge the world into darkness than let go of their stupid neoliberal ambitions.
Looks like reality has proven the liberals wrong, and the leftists correct yet again.
Just like I’ve been saying. Just like all leftists have been telling the Lemmy liberals all year.
Color me surprised. You did this, PugJesus.
Maybe liberals would take leftists more seriously if leftists could actually win an election.
They can’t even elect one of their own as governor, much less president.
And there it is. Liberals aren’t actually leftists.
Says the linkerbaan simp
Don’t be jealous.
I’m sure you’re happy as fuck this happened.
Happy? No. Shocked? No. Democrats got people thinking we’re in a culture war, when we’ve always been in a class war.
I replied to someone who just said leftists are right and liberals are wrong.
Ask them whether liberals are leftists.
Guess it’s time to start knitting 🧶
Where is the center?
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Ya boi WB Yeats, The Second Coming
So… you’re tryna say… there is no center?
I’m not smart enough to decipher what’s implied by the poem.
It’s just a poem I think describes what we’re all feeling. I think it’s about Jesus coming back.
I’m sure it’s actually the fault of people on Lemmy who wanted Harris to win and in no way the mods who pretended letting trump simps troll for months was “allowing other opinions”
Dude, Lemmy is not statistically relevant enough to have mattered on this election.
Ah yes what a great reason to protect fascists
Oh I’m SURE that’s it! 🙄
GeNoCiDe
I agree they need to actually try to court us leftists, but I don’t agree that this proved anyone wrong. In order to do that you’d need to show a solid path to victory if they did court the left, which I’m not sure exists yet. I would love for it to, but America is in a pretty messed up place right now.
They should have given people on the left some reason to be motivated to vote though, not just fear. They failed to do so continuously.
They should have given people on the left some reason to be motivated to vote though, not just fear.
This is the massive key that I really don’t think the Democratic party understands. When people are scared, they vote conservative. There are literal studies that show fear is the driving force behind conservative voters. Democrats need to make them feel safe. That’s one of the reasons Obama was so successful - he ran on change and hope. Fear works for Republicans. It doesn’t work for Democrats. But they see fear working for Republicans, so they copy it.
The DNC needs to be cleaned out. Every last person in leadership there needs to be fired and blacklisted.
Oh don’t worry. Trump will dismantle them once the camps are built.
oh i very pray he jails miller, blinken and biden. these smug unlikable genocider cnts were half the reason we are in this positions today.
Seeing as 2016 didn’t give us a shake up even with court documented swaying and intentionally unfair actions towards Sanders, and only involved party leaders moving higher in rank, I won’t expect it now.
Unless it’s to save face for a hopefully 2028 election. As in, hopefully we have one.
Yes be sure to never ever blame the human garbage voting for a proud fascist.
You’re underestimating the amount of misogyny in this country.
I’m not convinced that’s the reason, but if the country is so misogynistic it’s impossible to elect a woman, we need to stop putting women up for election. That’s shitty, but it’s better than Republicans winning.
State polling showed they were really close in these ten swing states, so no surprise.
Our economy, our proxy wars that we are funding, and shifts in political views for some due to all these conflicts might have something to do with this.
Harris was not that popular in her presidential run in 2020 as well.
The data will be interesting when it is compared to 2016/2020/2024; I wonder if voter turnout increased or decreased!
Nate Silver said a few days ago that the pollsters were making the race look closer than it actually was
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nate-silver-cheating-pollsters-are-putting-finger-on-the-scale/
Trump lies constantly, has 34 felony convictions, can’t form sentences, and is a sex pest. The fact that he has so much support is a sign that half of the country are fucking morons.
Republica voter suppression was probably the tie breaker, but the fact that people keep saying he is better despite reality showing things were worse under Trump proves we have way too many idiots in this country.
All the states that added abortion rights to their constitution but put Trump and Republican congresspeople in are going to all pikachu face when they pass a national abortion ban.
Just a bunch of fucking idiots.
The working class voted as expected; no need to talk down to people that don’t vote how you want them to.
I think it is better to continue to talk with people with diverse ideas different from ours and look at where we may agree.
That is why it is important to escape self-built echo chambers. Many independent journalists and commentators spoke about the increased support Trump was getting from minorities and the disdain people had for Kamala Harris.
I am looking forward to how third parties performed and to see if more people become anti-genocide or anti-war.
The working class voted as expected; no need to talk down to people that don’t vote how you want them to.
They deserve it.
It seems to just help divide the working class and to continue to increase tribalism.
You do you!
Sounds like you deserve Trump, as well.
He’s found a massive influx of voters over the last 4 years, outperforming his 16 and 20 numbers in most counties nationwide. How, where did these voters come from?
Advertising, marketing, promotion … of you can convince 400 million morons that Coke is better than Pepsi you can sell them anything … including a president.
This wasn’t a contest about who had more charisma … it was just a matter of who had the better advertising and marketing campaign.
I think it was a matter of who was willing to go low. American people are not civilly minded, they appreciate hyperbole, satire, and vicious descriptive insults versus those they don’t like. This isn’t just Republicans who like these things, and one could even argue they don’t understand satire. Tim Walz was the energy we needed and the muzzle they put on him was like an enthusiasm sponge. When you say your enemies are good people who deserve a cabinet seat you’re fucking lost. Nobody in this climate gives a fuck about civility except the talking heads and politicians worried that making a stand needs to be proceeded by a ballot questionnaire and a sacrificial lamb.
He activated them. He grew his base. He took nonvoters and turned them into voters…
He did the thing progressives have been begging the DNC to do since 2016.
Nothing motivates people aged 20-40 to vote like small business tax cuts. /s
If nonvoters found him appealing, then they were never going to vote for DNC.
Let me think about what I know about a trump supporter in my family who wasn’t one in 2016, but was die hard in 2020 and 2024. Nothing has ever been his fault. He used to buy into supernatural urban legend stuff. I don’t know if he still does. He had no job in 2020 but still thinks he was doing better than in 2016, so his own employment either doesn’t matter to his well-being, or he’s detached from reality. I mean I think it’s the second. He didn’t used to be racist (10 years ago), but I’m pretty sure he quotes fbi crime statistics without context now. I’m not sure how you reach that. He used to be moderate or even left of american center, but now all the news that is not Tim Poole is fake. Oh and he was part of an ayn rand sex cult for a year there. He still believes her stuff despite having been kicked out by the leader. I don’t think he’s newly mobilized though so whoever was this go around may be different. I don’t know if it matters now. I feel like organizing may get some crack down in the near future. Best case is he’s so incompetent that he can’t implement the policies he said he will and people can vote freely in the future.
He probably listened to conservstive media, enjoyed being angry, and the repetition brainwashed him.
I guess I forgot to mention it, but he has also always had a temper.
Friend, could you kindly use paragraphs? I’d like to read what you’re saying, but It makes your text vary hard to parse without.
I added in some paragraphs
You’re such a DUMB Libtard! How could anyone NOT like Mass Deportations and Mass Rapes and Mass Financial Hardships?
The fact that not one comment thus far has grappled with “we might just not be as popular as the republicans” is kind of telling.
We either write of slightly more than half the country or figure out a way to win them over.
(Admittedly, there’s a slim chance where we rack up very specific sets of votes but I haven’t seen anything to make that a reasonable bet.)
Because morality isn’t a fucking popularity contest. I don’t care if the Republicans are more popular when their platform and rhetoric is literally bigotry and hatred - full-blown Nazi shit. I’m not going to change my stance to a less moral position just because hate is trending.
Harris spent her whole campaign trying to win over Republicans! The campaign strategy was to take the Dem base for granted and focus solely on people who are swayed by the likes of Liz Cheney.
Don’t flatter yourself. If everyone who voted for a third party had voted for Harris instead, she still would have lost.
Leftists are too small a constituency to put Democrats over the top.
I don’t think the Democrats are less popular than the Republicans. It’s just they act like they’re going to win all the time so people don’t go vote.
Or maybe it is the voter suppression?
The fact that not one comment thus far has grappled with “we might just not be as popular as the republicans” is kind of telling.
Because that wasn’t the question being asked. The question is why does a message of hate, bigotry, and oppression seem to resonate so strongly with such a large portion of the public? Where did the country go this wrong? In a sane sensible world Trump would never crack double digits of support, yet here we are with the very real possibility he might win. Once was a fluke, you could blame it on novelty factor or misguided protest votes like how brexit happened. If it happens again it’s a clear sign something is incredibly rotten in the heart of the US.
You’re deliberately misinterpreting the GOP message. It’s not one of hate, bigotry, or oppression.
Literally every ad for the GOP was about how the democrats are going to destroy the country by allowing in foreigners, supporting the LGBTQ community, and supporting women’s primary voting issues. Even when the ad was about a specific thing with none of that involved, at least one of those things would be mentioned.
What is their message?
It’s not one of hate, bigotry, or oppression.
*if you are a cis white dude
We all know why, because they’ve created a machine to convert people.
Attacks on education and critical thinking, tied into religious fanaticism, and a diet of 24/7 propaganda through paper, tv, and digital media used to harness unhappiness with the status quo in an easy to digest answer “blame this scapegoat minority”.
Now, there’s one thing you might have noticed I don’t complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain’t going to do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here… like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There’s a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F*ck Hope.
- George Carlin
It’s the capitalism.
And also the Democrats having an awful campaign
There’s several things that are rotten.
The GOP I self has been spreading a message of fear, and nothing breeds hate like fear.
The Electoral College was created to ensure more populated free states couldn’t take away slavery, and this continues to be an issue.
First past the post voting is a broken system that doesn’t make people motivated to vote.
Most of all though I think is our media. They’re only goal is to make money. They don’t need to tell the truth or show anything they don’t want you to know. They need to keep your eyeballs glued to the screen and that’s it. Fox, in particular, has excelled at this, again by telling people about things they should be afraid of. If they’re the only place you can learn about “the coming dangers” you can’t afford to not watch. Also, for the other issues there’s obvious (though difficult) solutions. I don’t know what the solution for this is except not having privately controlled media, but that causes all kinds of other issues.
the rotten heart is the gop. they’ve been mastering propaganda since the 60s all while defunding public education to make it harder to see through. that’s why things are the way they are.
Did you ever consider that the American public might just be a bunch of spiteful, narcissistic, racist, misogynistic people?
Not “corrupted” by propaganda or a lack of education, but that you, collectively, made this choice - because you understand the consequences and what’s at stake, and you still made this choice?
Yes, that’s the problem. But how do you raise better people? Good education can give you better understanding of societal problems. Equality and tolerance can be taught, just like rasism and hate can be taught. A good education system can be the only way to cultivate people if the hate runs in the families. It takes several generations to make things better though.
About half of us, yes.
Well, it averages out with the bigots on top, apparently. Sadly.
First-past-the-post. Electoral College. Gerrymandering. No ranked choice. Our fucked voting system is awful.
Yeah, it definitely seems like change is in order, regardless of what one thinks of the result.
Trump appears to have won the popular vote. Can’t blame the voting system this time.
Sounds like Brexit to me.
Yeah, it’s not really a secret that things are bad (or at least not good) everywhere, but at least most other countries’ voting doesn’t really directly affect the whole world, in contrast to the American elections.
I dont know… looking at the map, the large cities are generally democrat majorities… you know, where the people with better jobs, hence an education, live.
Voting Trump just shows a very clear lack of critical thinking.
I made a bet with a coworker that he would win. I don’t want that, but I just made $50
I’m actually happy for this, and hate saying this but the women who voted for him and the Latino/as that voted for him will most likely suffer the consequences of their actions. They won’t have the right to complain
Maybe this is their “secret”?
This makes me wonder tho. In movies, the US president is often portrait as whoever is president. During the clinton and bush years, the president was a white haired older guy. Later it was sometimes portrait as either a black person or just obama himself. Before all that it was often just basically nixon. But there was never the fat idiot. Now the fat idiot is gonna be president for 8 years, is hollywood just gonna ignore that or is anyone having the balls to portray the president as a incompetent grossly overweight idiot?
