Watson, founder of Sea Shepherd and co-founder of Greenpeace, has been arrested on an international warrant and is facing charges including accomplice to assault and ship trespass
Why do you care more about one person than your culture of murdering whales? Why do you speak up about him but not your tradition that you apparently don’t participate in??
So the person who said this rhetoric breeds racism and xenophobia is now being demanded to renounce their culture and apologize for the actions of other people (just because they’re the same ethnicity)…
Well. I don’t see anything inherently wrong in killing whales for food if it is done sustainability and humane. I much prefer it to wasteful battery farming.
That’s not really a good take though. You don’t need to be intelligent or social to be worthy of the moral consideration to not be eaten. Otherwise we’d be eating babies.
Maybe they also don’t eat pigs? I eat meat (FUCK chickens), but I haven’t eaten pork for years after getting to know my neighbors pet pigs. Sure, they’re more socialized and a whole different breed from factory farm pigs, but still they’re too smart for me to be comfortable eating them. But my point here is that you’re accusing them of hypocrisy or inconsistency, without ever establishing that they actually are being hypocritical or inconsistent.
I take your point, and i also don’t eat pork. Not because I know a pig, but because of the terrible conditions most pigs are farmed under, and because all pork is imported here.
For me, loving an animal before you kill it is a part of lift. When I was a child, we often took rejected lambs into the house to bottle feed them. They become pets and then they became supper.
And I’d much rather that then only know meat as something you collect at the super market. Even though it would be more comfortable, the disconnect between meat and living creatures that modern people have often sickens me. So I’d much rather eat your neighbours pig than a factory framed one.
My point thought, is that no one gets outraged, justifys harassing people and wished death upon their entire family and country for eating pigs. So in reality, it’s not about intelligence and social behaviour. It’s about your culture being right and everyone else being wrong.
is that no one gets outraged, justifys harassing people and wished death upon their entire family and country for eating pigs.
You uh… wanna bet about that one?
Values a culture finds truly abhorrent are combated. You’re using the same arguments people use to defend confederate monuments, or anti-LGBT laws. It’s tragic that your traditions cause harm, but just because they’re traditional and your culture doesn’t mean they’re not disgustingly cruel.
Yeah, we need to either stop or wildly reform factory farming. No argument there. But just because you think it’s cultural imperialism doesn’t make it reasonable to torture other creatures to death.
The big difference here is that, while I will absolutely admit to and work damn hard to change my own culture, you can’t even admit the cruelty inherent to your own traditions. My tribe used to hunt whales. We saw the barbarity of it. We stopped. Why are you special?
For a minute I thought you might be reasonable, that’s why I was willing to engage with you, but now I see that your see just more well spoken than the other commenters. We don’t have to agree, but we can’t have a dialog when you’re just being argumentative and contrary.
I have never said that tradition as a reason for anything. Not here, nor ever. In fact, our traditions have all been continually modified to grow with our values. That’s why they prevail.
The ironic thing is that you compare me to conservative oppressors when you act exactly like an old bigot who is being confronted with values differing form their own.
I thought we were talking about one food source over another but then you go off about cruelty and torture. That’s just ignorant.
And then now you’re going to play the indigenous card? If you saw the barbarity why are there so many who still haven’t? Are the just all savages?
Your are not better than your ancestors, brother. You were just colonized.
I have never murdered whales. Nor have my children. We still being harassed.
Why do you care more about one person than your culture of murdering whales? Why do you speak up about him but not your tradition that you apparently don’t participate in??
So the person who said this rhetoric breeds racism and xenophobia is now being demanded to renounce their culture and apologize for the actions of other people (just because they’re the same ethnicity)…
Sounds like they were right.
Well. I don’t see anything inherently wrong in killing whales for food if it is done sustainability and humane. I much prefer it to wasteful battery farming.
Gross. Whales are intelligent, social creatures. That’s like eating chimpanzee.
That’s not really a good take though. You don’t need to be intelligent or social to be worthy of the moral consideration to not be eaten. Otherwise we’d be eating babies.
Yeah, that doesn’t logically follow. Nobody said it’s the one, singular consideration.
You’re comparing a species of animal (whale) to the age of an animal (baby). Two completely different things…
Ironic, because you can’t tell the difference between a human and an animal.
You’re weird.
Because I don’t conform to your vision of normal?
I haven’t tasted chimpanzee but I doubt it’s the same. I have tasted pig, which are also intelligent and social, and it tasted nothing like whale.
When your moral arguments only apply when they fit your world view. They mean nothing.
Maybe they also don’t eat pigs? I eat meat (FUCK chickens), but I haven’t eaten pork for years after getting to know my neighbors pet pigs. Sure, they’re more socialized and a whole different breed from factory farm pigs, but still they’re too smart for me to be comfortable eating them. But my point here is that you’re accusing them of hypocrisy or inconsistency, without ever establishing that they actually are being hypocritical or inconsistent.
I take your point, and i also don’t eat pork. Not because I know a pig, but because of the terrible conditions most pigs are farmed under, and because all pork is imported here.
For me, loving an animal before you kill it is a part of lift. When I was a child, we often took rejected lambs into the house to bottle feed them. They become pets and then they became supper.
And I’d much rather that then only know meat as something you collect at the super market. Even though it would be more comfortable, the disconnect between meat and living creatures that modern people have often sickens me. So I’d much rather eat your neighbours pig than a factory framed one.
My point thought, is that no one gets outraged, justifys harassing people and wished death upon their entire family and country for eating pigs. So in reality, it’s not about intelligence and social behaviour. It’s about your culture being right and everyone else being wrong.
You uh… wanna bet about that one?
Values a culture finds truly abhorrent are combated. You’re using the same arguments people use to defend confederate monuments, or anti-LGBT laws. It’s tragic that your traditions cause harm, but just because they’re traditional and your culture doesn’t mean they’re not disgustingly cruel.
Yeah, we need to either stop or wildly reform factory farming. No argument there. But just because you think it’s cultural imperialism doesn’t make it reasonable to torture other creatures to death.
The big difference here is that, while I will absolutely admit to and work damn hard to change my own culture, you can’t even admit the cruelty inherent to your own traditions. My tribe used to hunt whales. We saw the barbarity of it. We stopped. Why are you special?
For a minute I thought you might be reasonable, that’s why I was willing to engage with you, but now I see that your see just more well spoken than the other commenters. We don’t have to agree, but we can’t have a dialog when you’re just being argumentative and contrary.
I have never said that tradition as a reason for anything. Not here, nor ever. In fact, our traditions have all been continually modified to grow with our values. That’s why they prevail. The ironic thing is that you compare me to conservative oppressors when you act exactly like an old bigot who is being confronted with values differing form their own.
I thought we were talking about one food source over another but then you go off about cruelty and torture. That’s just ignorant.
And then now you’re going to play the indigenous card? If you saw the barbarity why are there so many who still haven’t? Are the just all savages?
Your are not better than your ancestors, brother. You were just colonized.
No amount of whaling is currently sustainable, and won’t be for many generations.
Long-finned pilot whale, Atlantic white-sided dolphin. Neither are endangered, on the contrary: Both are listed as Least Concern.
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Somehow it’s still your fault. I’m very progressive.
Lemmy says “Indigenous rights” until it’s white people, I guess.