• Hedin@lemmy.world
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    Well. I don’t see anything inherently wrong in killing whales for food if it is done sustainability and humane. I much prefer it to wasteful battery farming.

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        Long-finned pilot whale, Atlantic white-sided dolphin. Neither are endangered, on the contrary: Both are listed as Least Concern.

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        I haven’t tasted chimpanzee but I doubt it’s the same. I have tasted pig, which are also intelligent and social, and it tasted nothing like whale.

        When your moral arguments only apply when they fit your world view. They mean nothing.

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          Maybe they also don’t eat pigs? I eat meat (FUCK chickens), but I haven’t eaten pork for years after getting to know my neighbors pet pigs. Sure, they’re more socialized and a whole different breed from factory farm pigs, but still they’re too smart for me to be comfortable eating them. But my point here is that you’re accusing them of hypocrisy or inconsistency, without ever establishing that they actually are being hypocritical or inconsistent.

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            I take your point, and i also don’t eat pork. Not because I know a pig, but because of the terrible conditions most pigs are farmed under, and because all pork is imported here.

            For me, loving an animal before you kill it is a part of lift. When I was a child, we often took rejected lambs into the house to bottle feed them. They become pets and then they became supper.

            And I’d much rather that then only know meat as something you collect at the super market. Even though it would be more comfortable, the disconnect between meat and living creatures that modern people have often sickens me. So I’d much rather eat your neighbours pig than a factory framed one.

            My point thought, is that no one gets outraged, justifys harassing people and wished death upon their entire family and country for eating pigs. So in reality, it’s not about intelligence and social behaviour. It’s about your culture being right and everyone else being wrong.

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              is that no one gets outraged, justifys harassing people and wished death upon their entire family and country for eating pigs.

              You uh… wanna bet about that one?

              Values a culture finds truly abhorrent are combated. You’re using the same arguments people use to defend confederate monuments, or anti-LGBT laws. It’s tragic that your traditions cause harm, but just because they’re traditional and your culture doesn’t mean they’re not disgustingly cruel.

              Yeah, we need to either stop or wildly reform factory farming. No argument there. But just because you think it’s cultural imperialism doesn’t make it reasonable to torture other creatures to death.

              The big difference here is that, while I will absolutely admit to and work damn hard to change my own culture, you can’t even admit the cruelty inherent to your own traditions. My tribe used to hunt whales. We saw the barbarity of it. We stopped. Why are you special?

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                For a minute I thought you might be reasonable, that’s why I was willing to engage with you, but now I see that your see just more well spoken than the other commenters. We don’t have to agree, but we can’t have a dialog when you’re just being argumentative and contrary.

                I have never said that tradition as a reason for anything. Not here, nor ever. In fact, our traditions have all been continually modified to grow with our values. That’s why they prevail. The ironic thing is that you compare me to conservative oppressors when you act exactly like an old bigot who is being confronted with values differing form their own.

                I thought we were talking about one food source over another but then you go off about cruelty and torture. That’s just ignorant.

                And then now you’re going to play the indigenous card? If you saw the barbarity why are there so many who still haven’t? Are the just all savages?

                Your are not better than your ancestors, brother. You were just colonized.

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        That’s not really a good take though. You don’t need to be intelligent or social to be worthy of the moral consideration to not be eaten. Otherwise we’d be eating babies.

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          Yeah, that doesn’t logically follow. Nobody said it’s the one, singular consideration.

          You’re comparing a species of animal (whale) to the age of an animal (baby). Two completely different things…