Biden’s bravado is unearned and he needs to recognize the reality that his legacy may be “the guy who put the final nail in American democracy with his hubris and support of ethno-nationalist far-right genocide.”
Not when it comes to his re-election. He’s responsible for how he’s behaving, and he’ll be responsible for the electoral consequences of that behaviour. Fullstop.
Not if you’re considering future behavior of the democratic party (and your own conscience, obviously).
Your lesser of evils politics have put us in this position. It’s time to acknowledge that those politics are an abject failure that have done nothing to stem the tide of fascism, but have in fact helped usher it along at every step.
You need to sit down, your bullshit has inflicted irreparable damage and you should not still be acting like you have some kind of way out.
There’s a lot to worry about, what are you talking about? Our democracy is in ruins and people are trying to avoid acknowledging the scale of the crisis.
Lmao, I would assume you’re making a joke, but honestly, there are enough people here dumb enough to make that statement unironically, so I’ll clarify for you:
Biden can stop approving weapon deliveries. He can just stop sending weapons.
How does that change anything? Say we did. Now isreal is pissed at us and they’re getting weapons and shit from someone worse. If you think us cutting them off will stop a single thing even for a second, you are a fool.
They’re accelerationists. Debating or arguing with them in any fashion is a waste of time. They have no solution or better ideas. They don’t care how many people are being or will be killed. They just want collapse.
They will squeal screech and virtue signal without end. Never once have a thought or suggestion of any value. Because their ideology and philosophy is so shit that they can’t convince anyone else to embrace it without having the threat of death and apocalypse upon them. And I say this as someone generally pragmatically socialist libertarian/anarchist. Who would agree with much they pretend to support.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we like to call a “non-answer”. If you look closely you can see that the poster is obviously full of shit, doesn’t actually have a position or isn’t cognitively capable of producing one, so he says nothing of value and expects everyone else to fill in the gaps.
It’s not a non-answer. People have been very, very clear about the solution; stop aid to the genocidal regime of Israel. Stop taking Israeli money. Stop using our tax dollars to kill children.
That’s what the protests are about, that’s what the Uncommitted vote is communicating; the solution for Biden.
Is that clear enough for you? Any more dishonest rhetoric to try out? It’s time to stop pretending that Biden has no way of resolving this.
I wish I was ignorant enough to not know that US administrations have used witholding aid to curb Israel in the past. Or that the president has the ability to veto aid.
It is not the voters’ responsibility to make Biden electable. You have it complete backwards.
The choice for Biden is very clear and simple; stop supporting genocide. It’s not some complicated or nuanced thing. It would infact be very easy (and moral) for him to do.
Instead he’s chosen to give the finger to any voter that has a moral compass. So, yeah, we’ll see how his behaviour pays off for him.
Lots of trolls are trying to make hay off the Mideast conflict but Biden has done a lot of behind-the-scene work trying to mitigate deaths there. He has put restrictions on US arms use, slow walked arms shipments and is close to establishing a two state solution - pretty impressive despite having to work with the Israeli madman, Netanyahu. Yes, it’s a bad situation but the problem here is people don’t bother to get the facts.
Biden has done nothing behind the scenes, and even if he had there is no reason for it to be “behind the scenes” in the first place, it would only help the situation to pressure Israel publically, many countries look to the US on this issue on how much they can sat and do. When the Biden admin does nothing, vetos or abstains from UN resolutions, it takes the air put of the room.
Not to mention it would help his electoral chances to strongly condemn the grnocide and show he gives even the slightest of fucks.
You know what is even more narcissistic? Trying to get people to elect the even worse option because you are being paid by the Russian government to sow discontent.
If Americans don’t vote for Genocide Joe, they get Genocide Donald with an extra snuffing of fascism and the breakdown of democracy.
Blame the 2 party system all you want, that doesn’t change this fact.
It’ll pay off when he’s reelected and the shit stain cheeto goes to jail. Then maybe we can do something about the russian/china trolls and their propaganda.
I’m sorry, but virtue signaling about the Israel war against Palestine to blame the current guy for a thing the previous guy would have definitely done (and moreso) as well, is disingenuous. You want to hold Biden responsible for Gaza, fine, but do it after the election with the fucking Christo-fascist manifesto waiting in the wings to take the rights away from you and everyone you care about should tRump win again.
No one with any grey matter between their ears wants Biden again. For real, no one is happy with the options and haven’t been happy with the candidates since Obama. But only one of the candidates has actually been trying to help. I’ll take the one trying to make things better over the guy we know will make it worse.
Look, bottom line is we know exactly how both of the candidates lead, as we’ve seen them both for a single term. Only one of those guys has actively plotted, schemed, and stochastically terrorized the masses on the daily and it ain’t the current guy.
One thing young voters, or maybe Russian shit stirrers, don’t get is that voting is not a process of waiting around to vote for the perfect candidate. They don’t exist. Voting is a means of moving the needle toward the world you want to see. So I guess vote for whatever kind of world you want to see us move closer to: fascism r something along to American Taliban control, or something better, because rest assured, if “tTump” is put back in power, he’s already told you what he’s going to do, and none of it will help you, the world, our allies, or Palestine.
I’m sorry, but virtue signaling about the Israel war against Palestine to blame the current guy for a thing the previous guy would have definitely done (and moreso) as well, is disingenuous.
Being against genocide and those who enable it is not “virtue signaling”. We can’t continue this conversation until you acknowledge that. You need to acknowledge that people are furious because genocide is being done in their name.
Talking down to people simply won’t be effective who don’t support Democratic comnplicity in genocide does not come off the way you think it does.
If the revolution you salivate for comes, you will be seen as no different than the rat turning in his neighbors to the morality police for being a gay couple.
No. The fact that you can’t even acknowledge the moral issues with actively voting for an administration that has repeatedly affirmed its willingness to aid a genocide tells me you’re full of shit.
You’re absolutely morally lost if you think greenlighting Democratic participation in genocide is not really problematic. Whether I chose to vote for Biden or mot, I would never be chastising people for being unable to support genocide ascasually as you seem to be able to.
It’s the voters responsibility to consider the repercussions of their choice and, unless you’re in a proportional system, to vote strategically to prevent the worst from happening.
We’ve got that in Canada with people voting for Liberals so the Conservatives don’t get in power even though their real allegiance is to the Neo Democrats or the Bloc or the Greens. Now the same thing needs to happen in the USA where Biden might be financing Israel, but the alternative is Trump who will support Israel, stop supporting Ukraine and make women’s, LGBT’s and POC’s lives even worse than they are at the moment.
So please, tell me how not voting for Biden or not voting for Biden isn’t basically the same as voting for Trump and supporting more genocide?
Yes, voters will have to live with the choice they make. Putting their stamp of approval on Democratic complicity in genocide is something a voter would have to live with for the rest of their life. Enabling future democrats to behave in this same way, knowing that it presents no issue for their electability to be pro-genocide, will be something voters will have to live with.
Putting their stamp of approval on Democratic complicity in genocide is something a voter would have to live with for the rest of their life.
As well as being passive and letting a fascist take over who will do everything bad that the other guy will, but 1000% times harder. Not voting against it is putting a stamp of approval on it as well, since you didn’t care enough to try to stop it.
Voters have to live with their choice no matter what, and inaction is a choice as well. Don’t vote for Biden if you want, but that’s still on your conscience if Trump is elected.
How am I standing in the way? Because I don’t let people play the game of trying to pretend that not voting Biden when the literal only other option is trump is a moral choice? Or do you think I just post on Lemmy and call it a day? People can do both, and calling out behavior that makes things harder isn’t standing in the way, it’s trying to improve to things by convincing people to do the better of two bad options.
Get the fuck out of here with your reductionist bullshit, or at least admit you don’t care as much about the victims of genocide as you want to pretend.
Is that the only defense you have left to justify ignoring genpcide then? “People outraged by dem complicity in genocide are trolling me.”
I hate to break it to you, but no one is trolling you into not having basic empathy for other human beings who are being killed in your name.
No one can troll another person into being a callous sociopath who sees genocide as some kind of political inconvenience that can be waved away to make your own choices easier.
The only one supporting genocide are the ones claiming Biden is the reason for the Israel-Gaza war, and try to persuade people not voting, thus throwing the election into genocide Trump’s lap, who is known to be in league with genocide Russia and genocide Putin.
Not into russian dudes komrade, I’m straight, unfortunately for you. But hey, there’s plenty of good people out there that I’m sure would take you up on the offer. Oh, while I have your attention, how does it feel to have two brain cells fighting for third place?
Are we leaving out the part where he’s alienating young people because he won’t stop Israel from committing genocide? I’m pretty sure he needs their votes.
And polls show Biden neck and neck with him…
Biden’s bravado is unearned and he needs to recognize the reality that his legacy may be “the guy who put the final nail in American democracy with his hubris and support of ethno-nationalist far-right genocide.”
Trump also supports the ethno-nationalist far-right genocide.
The problem you are highlighting is bigger than the presidency.
Not when it comes to his re-election. He’s responsible for how he’s behaving, and he’ll be responsible for the electoral consequences of that behaviour. Fullstop.
If there are only 2 sides, and both support a specific notion, then that notion is useless in determining who to vote for.
Not if you’re considering future behavior of the democratic party (and your own conscience, obviously).
Your lesser of evils politics have put us in this position. It’s time to acknowledge that those politics are an abject failure that have done nothing to stem the tide of fascism, but have in fact helped usher it along at every step.
You need to sit down, your bullshit has inflicted irreparable damage and you should not still be acting like you have some kind of way out.
What makes you think there will be a Democratic party if the “dictator on day one” gets into office?
Guess it depends on how the house and senate go.
Oh, well nothing to worry about then. It’s only maybe going to be a dictatorship in January of 2025.
There’s a lot to worry about, what are you talking about? Our democracy is in ruins and people are trying to avoid acknowledging the scale of the crisis.
It is completely impossible to argue with people like you. What solutions do you propose ?
Stop approving weapons deliveries to Isreal.
It’s surprisingly simple actually.
Okay, I stopped approving them. Now what?
Lmao, I would assume you’re making a joke, but honestly, there are enough people here dumb enough to make that statement unironically, so I’ll clarify for you:
Biden can stop approving weapon deliveries. He can just stop sending weapons.
How do I make him do that?
Well certainly not by campaigning for him.
How does that change anything? Say we did. Now isreal is pissed at us and they’re getting weapons and shit from someone worse. If you think us cutting them off will stop a single thing even for a second, you are a fool.
Here’s a bit of unrelated reading.
Have a fucking backbone, Jesus christ.
Jesus Christ, you just don’t get it do you? You a bot or troll?
I guess I just don’t understand the ‘if we don’t supply the tools of genocide, someone else will’ logic.
I don’t see that as a negative thing, at least I wouldn’t be paying for and aiding a genocide
That’s a silly question
They’re accelerationists. Debating or arguing with them in any fashion is a waste of time. They have no solution or better ideas. They don’t care how many people are being or will be killed. They just want collapse.
They will squeal screech and virtue signal without end. Never once have a thought or suggestion of any value. Because their ideology and philosophy is so shit that they can’t convince anyone else to embrace it without having the threat of death and apocalypse upon them. And I say this as someone generally pragmatically socialist libertarian/anarchist. Who would agree with much they pretend to support.
The solution has already been outlined explicitly for Biden. Outlined, circled, highlighted and underlined in red.
Now it’s up to him since he’s the only one with the power to actually implementbthat solution.
Maybe I missed the memo. What’s your solution?
alcohol.
Whatever Putin tells him to say
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we like to call a “non-answer”. If you look closely you can see that the poster is obviously full of shit, doesn’t actually have a position or isn’t cognitively capable of producing one, so he says nothing of value and expects everyone else to fill in the gaps.
It’s not a non-answer. People have been very, very clear about the solution; stop aid to the genocidal regime of Israel. Stop taking Israeli money. Stop using our tax dollars to kill children.
That’s what the protests are about, that’s what the Uncommitted vote is communicating; the solution for Biden.
Is that clear enough for you? Any more dishonest rhetoric to try out? It’s time to stop pretending that Biden has no way of resolving this.
I wish I was dumb enough to think global politics was this simple
I wish I was ignorant enough to not know that US administrations have used witholding aid to curb Israel in the past. Or that the president has the ability to veto aid.
Nah, it would be Trump and idiots who got him elected by voting for him or not voting at all who would take the blame for that.
It is not the voters’ responsibility to make Biden electable. You have it complete backwards.
The choice for Biden is very clear and simple; stop supporting genocide. It’s not some complicated or nuanced thing. It would infact be very easy (and moral) for him to do.
Instead he’s chosen to give the finger to any voter that has a moral compass. So, yeah, we’ll see how his behaviour pays off for him.
Lots of trolls are trying to make hay off the Mideast conflict but Biden has done a lot of behind-the-scene work trying to mitigate deaths there. He has put restrictions on US arms use, slow walked arms shipments and is close to establishing a two state solution - pretty impressive despite having to work with the Israeli madman, Netanyahu. Yes, it’s a bad situation but the problem here is people don’t bother to get the facts.
Biden has done nothing behind the scenes, and even if he had there is no reason for it to be “behind the scenes” in the first place, it would only help the situation to pressure Israel publically, many countries look to the US on this issue on how much they can sat and do. When the Biden admin does nothing, vetos or abstains from UN resolutions, it takes the air put of the room.
Not to mention it would help his electoral chances to strongly condemn the grnocide and show he gives even the slightest of fucks.
Lol echoes of the Narcissists Prayer
You know what’s narcissitic? Demanding people put their stamp of approval on genocide so that you can go on pretending your politics are working.
You know what is even more narcissistic? Trying to get people to elect the even worse option because you are being paid by the Russian government to sow discontent.
If Americans don’t vote for Genocide Joe, they get Genocide Donald with an extra snuffing of fascism and the breakdown of democracy.
Blame the 2 party system all you want, that doesn’t change this fact.
Thank you for being such an important part in the implementation of Project 2025. Your work has not gone unnoticed.
It’ll pay off when he’s reelected and the shit stain cheeto goes to jail. Then maybe we can do something about the russian/china trolls and their propaganda.
I’m sorry, but virtue signaling about the Israel war against Palestine to blame the current guy for a thing the previous guy would have definitely done (and moreso) as well, is disingenuous. You want to hold Biden responsible for Gaza, fine, but do it after the election with the fucking Christo-fascist manifesto waiting in the wings to take the rights away from you and everyone you care about should tRump win again.
No one with any grey matter between their ears wants Biden again. For real, no one is happy with the options and haven’t been happy with the candidates since Obama. But only one of the candidates has actually been trying to help. I’ll take the one trying to make things better over the guy we know will make it worse.
Look, bottom line is we know exactly how both of the candidates lead, as we’ve seen them both for a single term. Only one of those guys has actively plotted, schemed, and stochastically terrorized the masses on the daily and it ain’t the current guy.
One thing young voters, or maybe Russian shit stirrers, don’t get is that voting is not a process of waiting around to vote for the perfect candidate. They don’t exist. Voting is a means of moving the needle toward the world you want to see. So I guess vote for whatever kind of world you want to see us move closer to: fascism r something along to American Taliban control, or something better, because rest assured, if “tTump” is put back in power, he’s already told you what he’s going to do, and none of it will help you, the world, our allies, or Palestine.
Being against genocide and those who enable it is not “virtue signaling”. We can’t continue this conversation until you acknowledge that. You need to acknowledge that people are furious because genocide is being done in their name.
Talking down to people simply won’t be effective who don’t support Democratic comnplicity in genocide does not come off the way you think it does.
Then those people are telling us they’re comfortable with a Trump presidency. Sounds like a dangerous group to me.
When fascists vote, not voting is collaboration.
If the revolution you salivate for comes, you will be seen as no different than the rat turning in his neighbors to the morality police for being a gay couple.
No. The fact that you can’t even acknowledge the moral issues with actively voting for an administration that has repeatedly affirmed its willingness to aid a genocide tells me you’re full of shit.
You’re absolutely morally lost if you think greenlighting Democratic participation in genocide is not really problematic. Whether I chose to vote for Biden or mot, I would never be chastising people for being unable to support genocide ascasually as you seem to be able to.
It’s the voters responsibility to consider the repercussions of their choice and, unless you’re in a proportional system, to vote strategically to prevent the worst from happening.
We’ve got that in Canada with people voting for Liberals so the Conservatives don’t get in power even though their real allegiance is to the Neo Democrats or the Bloc or the Greens. Now the same thing needs to happen in the USA where Biden might be financing Israel, but the alternative is Trump who will support Israel, stop supporting Ukraine and make women’s, LGBT’s and POC’s lives even worse than they are at the moment.
So please, tell me how not voting for Biden or not voting for Biden isn’t basically the same as voting for Trump and supporting more genocide?
Yes, voters will have to live with the choice they make. Putting their stamp of approval on Democratic complicity in genocide is something a voter would have to live with for the rest of their life. Enabling future democrats to behave in this same way, knowing that it presents no issue for their electability to be pro-genocide, will be something voters will have to live with.
Do you think Trump, the only other choice would be any better for the people of Ukraine?
He definitely wouldn’t do anything differently in Gaza, he’s already said as much.
As well as being passive and letting a fascist take over who will do everything bad that the other guy will, but 1000% times harder. Not voting against it is putting a stamp of approval on it as well, since you didn’t care enough to try to stop it.
Voters have to live with their choice no matter what, and inaction is a choice as well. Don’t vote for Biden if you want, but that’s still on your conscience if Trump is elected.
People are taking action right now. It’s you who are standing in the way of that.
Taking action without taking the only action that is guaranteed to make a difference is the same as not taking action at all.
Taking action that signals to Democrats that they can support genocide and get reelected is supporting that genocide yourself.
See how that works?
How am I standing in the way? Because I don’t let people play the game of trying to pretend that not voting Biden when the literal only other option is trump is a moral choice? Or do you think I just post on Lemmy and call it a day? People can do both, and calling out behavior that makes things harder isn’t standing in the way, it’s trying to improve to things by convincing people to do the better of two bad options.
Get the fuck out of here with your reductionist bullshit, or at least admit you don’t care as much about the victims of genocide as you want to pretend.
Lol, shut the entire fuck up, troll.
You’re a genocide apologist.
Is this hourly or per post? The money can’t be good, can it? I mean doing it for free would be ridiculous, but I doubt it works out to minimum wage.
Is that the only defense you have left to justify ignoring genpcide then? “People outraged by dem complicity in genocide are trolling me.”
I hate to break it to you, but no one is trolling you into not having basic empathy for other human beings who are being killed in your name.
No one can troll another person into being a callous sociopath who sees genocide as some kind of political inconvenience that can be waved away to make your own choices easier.
you need to ask the Russian propaganda department for a raise.
I don’t know, he’s pretty terrible at it. That or it’s a bot that needs work. No way it’s a free thinking human.
I think these are all Nancy Pelosi soc accounts, no way a normal lib could be this ambivalent about Palestinian genocide.
You guys can’t even come up with your own insults, you need to steal them from the smarter Biden supporters lol
Because tRump wouldn’t do the same thing? Troll.
Fuck you genocide supporting piece of shit
The only one supporting genocide are the ones claiming Biden is the reason for the Israel-Gaza war, and try to persuade people not voting, thus throwing the election into genocide Trump’s lap, who is known to be in league with genocide Russia and genocide Putin.
Biden isn’t the reason but he is making sure it keeps happening. Blood is on your hands for voting for Biden.
Not into russian dudes komrade, I’m straight, unfortunately for you. But hey, there’s plenty of good people out there that I’m sure would take you up on the offer. Oh, while I have your attention, how does it feel to have two brain cells fighting for third place?
Who talks like this? What are you 12?
Great point, wow such delicate wordplay.
Why do we give a fuck what you think?
So you’re a bot, got it.
They’re not a bot, they’re just a moron. Whether or not there’s a difference? You decide.
I don’t know man, acts just like a bot. If it’s not, I feel bad for them being that dumb and manipulated.
Another hamas supporter
I wonder who funded Hamas at their start…🤔
Must’ve been a really duplicitous piece of garbage who helped prop them up…oh.
Found the nazi
Outstanding comeback. Go back to Twitter.
Are we leaving out the part where he’s alienating young people because he won’t stop Israel from committing genocide? I’m pretty sure he needs their votes.
Yeah, because voting for Trump is definitely gonna show them!
I’m still hoping he drops out and lets the Democratic convention choose the next candidate. He should never have run again.
but you’re okay with Trump running again?
I’m just afraid Biden is going to lose and we’ll be stuck with Trump
a legitimate concern, but that ship has sailed, so vote Biden and focus on 2028.