It is not the voters’ responsibility to make Biden electable. You have it complete backwards.
The choice for Biden is very clear and simple; stop supporting genocide. It’s not some complicated or nuanced thing. It would infact be very easy (and moral) for him to do.
Instead he’s chosen to give the finger to any voter that has a moral compass. So, yeah, we’ll see how his behaviour pays off for him.
It’s the voters responsibility to consider the repercussions of their choice and, unless you’re in a proportional system, to vote strategically to prevent the worst from happening.
We’ve got that in Canada with people voting for Liberals so the Conservatives don’t get in power even though their real allegiance is to the Neo Democrats or the Bloc or the Greens. Now the same thing needs to happen in the USA where Biden might be financing Israel, but the alternative is Trump who will support Israel, stop supporting Ukraine and make women’s, LGBT’s and POC’s lives even worse than they are at the moment.
So please, tell me how not voting for Biden or not voting for Biden isn’t basically the same as voting for Trump and supporting more genocide?
Yes, voters will have to live with the choice they make. Putting their stamp of approval on Democratic complicity in genocide is something a voter would have to live with for the rest of their life. Enabling future democrats to behave in this same way, knowing that it presents no issue for their electability to be pro-genocide, will be something voters will have to live with.
Putting their stamp of approval on Democratic complicity in genocide is something a voter would have to live with for the rest of their life.
As well as being passive and letting a fascist take over who will do everything bad that the other guy will, but 1000% times harder. Not voting against it is putting a stamp of approval on it as well, since you didn’t care enough to try to stop it.
Voters have to live with their choice no matter what, and inaction is a choice as well. Don’t vote for Biden if you want, but that’s still on your conscience if Trump is elected.
How am I standing in the way? Because I don’t let people play the game of trying to pretend that not voting Biden when the literal only other option is trump is a moral choice? Or do you think I just post on Lemmy and call it a day? People can do both, and calling out behavior that makes things harder isn’t standing in the way, it’s trying to improve to things by convincing people to do the better of two bad options.
Get the fuck out of here with your reductionist bullshit, or at least admit you don’t care as much about the victims of genocide as you want to pretend.
Lots of trolls are trying to make hay off the Mideast conflict but Biden has done a lot of behind-the-scene work trying to mitigate deaths there. He has put restrictions on US arms use, slow walked arms shipments and is close to establishing a two state solution - pretty impressive despite having to work with the Israeli madman, Netanyahu. Yes, it’s a bad situation but the problem here is people don’t bother to get the facts.
Biden has done nothing behind the scenes, and even if he had there is no reason for it to be “behind the scenes” in the first place, it would only help the situation to pressure Israel publically, many countries look to the US on this issue on how much they can sat and do. When the Biden admin does nothing, vetos or abstains from UN resolutions, it takes the air put of the room.
Not to mention it would help his electoral chances to strongly condemn the grnocide and show he gives even the slightest of fucks.
You know what is even more narcissistic? Trying to get people to elect the even worse option because you are being paid by the Russian government to sow discontent.
If Americans don’t vote for Genocide Joe, they get Genocide Donald with an extra snuffing of fascism and the breakdown of democracy.
Blame the 2 party system all you want, that doesn’t change this fact.
If the revolution you salivate for comes, you will be seen as no different than the rat turning in his neighbors to the morality police for being a gay couple.
No. The fact that you can’t even acknowledge the moral issues with actively voting for an administration that has repeatedly affirmed its willingness to aid a genocide tells me you’re full of shit.
You’re absolutely morally lost if you think greenlighting Democratic participation in genocide is not really problematic. Whether I chose to vote for Biden or mot, I would never be chastising people for being unable to support genocide ascasually as you seem to be able to.
It’ll pay off when he’s reelected and the shit stain cheeto goes to jail. Then maybe we can do something about the russian/china trolls and their propaganda.
I’m sorry, but virtue signaling about the Israel war against Palestine to blame the current guy for a thing the previous guy would have definitely done (and moreso) as well, is disingenuous. You want to hold Biden responsible for Gaza, fine, but do it after the election with the fucking Christo-fascist manifesto waiting in the wings to take the rights away from you and everyone you care about should tRump win again.
No one with any grey matter between their ears wants Biden again. For real, no one is happy with the options and haven’t been happy with the candidates since Obama. But only one of the candidates has actually been trying to help. I’ll take the one trying to make things better over the guy we know will make it worse.
Look, bottom line is we know exactly how both of the candidates lead, as we’ve seen them both for a single term. Only one of those guys has actively plotted, schemed, and stochastically terrorized the masses on the daily and it ain’t the current guy.
One thing young voters, or maybe Russian shit stirrers, don’t get is that voting is not a process of waiting around to vote for the perfect candidate. They don’t exist. Voting is a means of moving the needle toward the world you want to see. So I guess vote for whatever kind of world you want to see us move closer to: fascism r something along to American Taliban control, or something better, because rest assured, if “tTump” is put back in power, he’s already told you what he’s going to do, and none of it will help you, the world, our allies, or Palestine.
I’m sorry, but virtue signaling about the Israel war against Palestine to blame the current guy for a thing the previous guy would have definitely done (and moreso) as well, is disingenuous.
Being against genocide and those who enable it is not “virtue signaling”. We can’t continue this conversation until you acknowledge that. You need to acknowledge that people are furious because genocide is being done in their name.
Talking down to people simply won’t be effective who don’t support Democratic comnplicity in genocide does not come off the way you think it does.
It is not the voters’ responsibility to make Biden electable. You have it complete backwards.
The choice for Biden is very clear and simple; stop supporting genocide. It’s not some complicated or nuanced thing. It would infact be very easy (and moral) for him to do.
Instead he’s chosen to give the finger to any voter that has a moral compass. So, yeah, we’ll see how his behaviour pays off for him.
It’s the voters responsibility to consider the repercussions of their choice and, unless you’re in a proportional system, to vote strategically to prevent the worst from happening.
We’ve got that in Canada with people voting for Liberals so the Conservatives don’t get in power even though their real allegiance is to the Neo Democrats or the Bloc or the Greens. Now the same thing needs to happen in the USA where Biden might be financing Israel, but the alternative is Trump who will support Israel, stop supporting Ukraine and make women’s, LGBT’s and POC’s lives even worse than they are at the moment.
So please, tell me how not voting for Biden or not voting for Biden isn’t basically the same as voting for Trump and supporting more genocide?
Yes, voters will have to live with the choice they make. Putting their stamp of approval on Democratic complicity in genocide is something a voter would have to live with for the rest of their life. Enabling future democrats to behave in this same way, knowing that it presents no issue for their electability to be pro-genocide, will be something voters will have to live with.
As well as being passive and letting a fascist take over who will do everything bad that the other guy will, but 1000% times harder. Not voting against it is putting a stamp of approval on it as well, since you didn’t care enough to try to stop it.
Voters have to live with their choice no matter what, and inaction is a choice as well. Don’t vote for Biden if you want, but that’s still on your conscience if Trump is elected.
People are taking action right now. It’s you who are standing in the way of that.
How am I standing in the way? Because I don’t let people play the game of trying to pretend that not voting Biden when the literal only other option is trump is a moral choice? Or do you think I just post on Lemmy and call it a day? People can do both, and calling out behavior that makes things harder isn’t standing in the way, it’s trying to improve to things by convincing people to do the better of two bad options.
Get the fuck out of here with your reductionist bullshit, or at least admit you don’t care as much about the victims of genocide as you want to pretend.
Taking action without taking the only action that is guaranteed to make a difference is the same as not taking action at all.
Taking action that signals to Democrats that they can support genocide and get reelected is supporting that genocide yourself.
See how that works?
So you would rather see another genocide taking place in Ukraine along with the genocide that will continue in Palestine to send them a message?
Guess you don’t really care about genocides and you’re just virtue signalling.
Do you think Trump, the only other choice would be any better for the people of Ukraine?
He definitely wouldn’t do anything differently in Gaza, he’s already said as much.
Lots of trolls are trying to make hay off the Mideast conflict but Biden has done a lot of behind-the-scene work trying to mitigate deaths there. He has put restrictions on US arms use, slow walked arms shipments and is close to establishing a two state solution - pretty impressive despite having to work with the Israeli madman, Netanyahu. Yes, it’s a bad situation but the problem here is people don’t bother to get the facts.
Biden has done nothing behind the scenes, and even if he had there is no reason for it to be “behind the scenes” in the first place, it would only help the situation to pressure Israel publically, many countries look to the US on this issue on how much they can sat and do. When the Biden admin does nothing, vetos or abstains from UN resolutions, it takes the air put of the room.
Not to mention it would help his electoral chances to strongly condemn the grnocide and show he gives even the slightest of fucks.
Lol echoes of the Narcissists Prayer
You know what’s narcissitic? Demanding people put their stamp of approval on genocide so that you can go on pretending your politics are working.
You know what is even more narcissistic? Trying to get people to elect the even worse option because you are being paid by the Russian government to sow discontent.
If Americans don’t vote for Genocide Joe, they get Genocide Donald with an extra snuffing of fascism and the breakdown of democracy.
Blame the 2 party system all you want, that doesn’t change this fact.
Thank you for being such an important part in the implementation of Project 2025. Your work has not gone unnoticed.
When fascists vote, not voting is collaboration.
If the revolution you salivate for comes, you will be seen as no different than the rat turning in his neighbors to the morality police for being a gay couple.
No. The fact that you can’t even acknowledge the moral issues with actively voting for an administration that has repeatedly affirmed its willingness to aid a genocide tells me you’re full of shit.
You’re absolutely morally lost if you think greenlighting Democratic participation in genocide is not really problematic. Whether I chose to vote for Biden or mot, I would never be chastising people for being unable to support genocide ascasually as you seem to be able to.
It’ll pay off when he’s reelected and the shit stain cheeto goes to jail. Then maybe we can do something about the russian/china trolls and their propaganda.
I’m sorry, but virtue signaling about the Israel war against Palestine to blame the current guy for a thing the previous guy would have definitely done (and moreso) as well, is disingenuous. You want to hold Biden responsible for Gaza, fine, but do it after the election with the fucking Christo-fascist manifesto waiting in the wings to take the rights away from you and everyone you care about should tRump win again.
No one with any grey matter between their ears wants Biden again. For real, no one is happy with the options and haven’t been happy with the candidates since Obama. But only one of the candidates has actually been trying to help. I’ll take the one trying to make things better over the guy we know will make it worse.
Look, bottom line is we know exactly how both of the candidates lead, as we’ve seen them both for a single term. Only one of those guys has actively plotted, schemed, and stochastically terrorized the masses on the daily and it ain’t the current guy.
One thing young voters, or maybe Russian shit stirrers, don’t get is that voting is not a process of waiting around to vote for the perfect candidate. They don’t exist. Voting is a means of moving the needle toward the world you want to see. So I guess vote for whatever kind of world you want to see us move closer to: fascism r something along to American Taliban control, or something better, because rest assured, if “tTump” is put back in power, he’s already told you what he’s going to do, and none of it will help you, the world, our allies, or Palestine.
Being against genocide and those who enable it is not “virtue signaling”. We can’t continue this conversation until you acknowledge that. You need to acknowledge that people are furious because genocide is being done in their name.
Talking down to people simply won’t be effective who don’t support Democratic comnplicity in genocide does not come off the way you think it does.
Then those people are telling us they’re comfortable with a Trump presidency. Sounds like a dangerous group to me.