Trump has widened his edge in Nevada and Pennsylvania

I am aware that this is one of those things that is so radically out of step with the media narrative that people will come in my comments and say “lol pure copium” “what on earth are you smoking to say something so wrong” “what you are DELUDED how can you even say something that is so RADICALLY DIFFERENT from what the New York Times assured me of”

All I can say is, you are welcome to. We don’t discriminate. Feel free to cite other polls including the ones that ask Trump voters as well as Biden voters whether Biden is too old to be president and other entertaining things other than who they’re going to vote for.

Also, yes, the debate was a pure horrifying shit show. So is getting convicted of 24 felonies, or electing the guy who wants to kill protestors and abolish the Department of Education, and contraception, and the EPA and NOAA, and deploy the military against protestors, and a wide variety of other things that are literally too extreme to list without boring everyone and making me sounding like a crazy person.

  • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    You made some valid points, so I upvoted you because of what you wrote even though I an highly skeptical of this polling data. My personal impression is that while polling may be at best inaccurate, the total summation of the available evidence suggests the situation for the Biden campaign is beyond dire.

    It appears, from the outside, to be significantly worse than 2016 at this point. Especially given some of the answers he gave in his interview yesterday. When the candidate himself has made it clear that he is okay with losing, I think that is pretty much a wrap. You aren’t motivating anybody. If you don’t give a fuck about the potential dystopian future of this country, then why would that reality even register for the average normie voter?

    When one side is a death cult with religious fervor toward their deified god king, and the other side has a leader who thinks they are trying to win the equivalent of a pickup basketball game you tell me what you think the most likely outcome is going to be. Fuck the data. On a human level, things are looking bleak as fuck, and no polling is going to change that.

    • mozz@mbin.grits.devOP
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      2 months ago

      I think the debate was a horrifying disaster. I think the Democrats should be having a hard conversation about what they want to do, and this mindlessly stubborn “fuck you it’s Biden” attitude is just as harmful as is the constant hand-wringing about how we can’t possibly go forward with it being Biden.

      Surely, the right move is for Biden to go up on stage and say, look, I want the best for the Democrats. I’m fine with an open convention. No one in the Democratic party is the enemy. Trump is the enemy. Let’s have an open convention, and figure out what we want to do, if everyone can commit to getting the fuck behind it and winning the election once that is done. I hope it’s me, but if it’s not I’ll support the nominee, but let’s figure it the fuck out without getting in slap fights with each other while there’s a crocodile approaching the children.

      Just as surely as that, doing the whole ABC interview was just compounding mistake upon mistake. The first rule of getting bullied is, you don’t stand up in front of the class afterwards and make a big speech about how you’re not actually a big poopie head, and show everybody your head so they can see there’s no poop on it, and it was totally unfair for everyone to say those mean things about you because they’re not true.

      The part that pisses me off, and the reason I wanted to post this, is the absolutely relentless drumbeat of shitting on Biden and panicking that about a third of the Democratic party is for some reason leaning way the fuck into now. It’s just stupid. They talked you into the idea that all the American voters suddenly forgot that Trump might execute them, because of the debate. Surprisingly enough, they didn’t. The New York Times sure did. They ran 8 out of 8 of their front page stories yesterday about how Biden is bad. Someone needs to show them the data before they keep milking this thing and make it come true.

      Guys: Trump is gonna fuckin execute you. Wake the fuck up. If you think Biden’s too old, let’s have a fuckin solution, because he might be going to execute me too, or at least put me in prison, and I’m really fuckin sick of you pretending the polls show this objective disaster for him (when they don’t), and creating the exact “he’s gonna lose the election” situation that you claim is your greatest fear, the whole time while you’re doing everything in your power to create it.

      • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
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        2 months ago

        You think the people panicking about Biden’s declining acuity and pushing for a swap of candidates have forgotten about Trump?

        I think the people urging we ignore his declining performance in service of keeping him on the top of the ticket are doing the most harm to the democratic campaign given the threat posed by trump. Democrats can’t afford a nominee that might fall asleep in the middle of cross-examination. If the one thing dems need is someone who can argue the case against Trump, the bare minimum qualification is the ability to stay on message, and Biden simply doesn’t have it anymore. He can barely finish a complete thought anymore.