Having heard him make a deposition, Lindell’s the kind of guy I could see insisting on representing himself against better judgement.
There’s no better judgement than Mike Lindell’s judgement. That’s a lumpy MyPillow guarantee!
I don’t think he can. I seem to recall businesses aren’t allowed to represent themselves in court.
He’s going to end up with an overworked public defender.
You… you’ve seen his commercials right? He seems like not only the kind of guy who would represent himself, but he would also be on a ton of cocaine when he does it.
Can you practically represent yourself (as a non-lawyer) in a court as high as what he needs to appeal? They will throw it out on procedure grounds alone right?
What I find fascinating is the total number of numbskulls and cartoon villains, all collected under the Trump banner, and that lunatic mob may very well take government.
What’s the hell wrong with American voters?
My coworker is going to vote for Trump because gas prices went up in the last 4 years.
I think you need to be intentionally naive, or just an absolute shitbag, to want to vote for lower gas prices at the cost of increased human suffering. Let alone whether it’s something Trump could even deliver.
Cough…Iraq war…cough
Also, consider what was going on 4 years ago: COVID. Gas prices went up because people are using their vehicles again , and because of that, oil isn’t in the negatives and gas prices rise.
Same thing with inflation. People weren’t buying as much crap during COVID. After that, corporations wanted some of that lost revenue so they raised prices and/or shrunk content. Then others followed suit due to need or greed. They all just went further than they needed too to up their profits.
thats not why he’s voting for trump
Well that’s the public reason they are voting for Trump.
The private reason is that they are a boot licking fascist.
i think it is the reason that their voting for trump, not because they’re stupid, but because they have the entitlement to think that gas prices should be lower even though clearly they haven’t dissolved in bankruptcy yet.
Southern Strategy and decades of Fox News.
True. I’m gonna go out on a limb and add another reason: Money in politics.
When I was a kid, if a politician was accused of taking bribes, they would fall over themselves to deny the accusation. Later, the politician would simply reply, “It was pay for access, not a bribe.”
Now, they don’t even respond to such accusations. Bribes are so normalized that we don’t even notice them anymore.(For the pendants, yes there are pols that are occasionally punished for literally accepting bribes, some recently. My point is that there is little difference between literally accepting money and storing it in a freezer and having several billionaires fund your re-election campaign with dozens of legal loopholes.)
This allows The Rich to have a very heavy hand on the tiller for which way elections go. If rich folks weren’t pouring big money into elections (corporations are people too!) I’m willing to bet at least one political party in the US would be dead now.
What’s the hell wrong with American voters?
Rage at a system that doesn’t work and dreaming of being a person who doesn’t have to apologize for anything. There is a reason why crime movies, games, and TV shows are so popular. It isn’t that most people want to be going around murdering all day, it is they want to be able to.
They are in a conservative news bubble or they don’t pay much attention to things that don’t directly affect them and attribute those that do to the wrong party. Or they’re just greedy or racist. Or stupid.
Take your pick, mix and match.
You forgot wrapped up in culture wars.
I’ll go with answer E: all of the above
On average, insufficient education and critical thinking skills because of a quasi-oligarchy that favors lots of desperate people to keep unskilled labor costs down. These oligarchs are also in league with sociopath religious leaders who know that religious recruitment is higher when life is miserable. Because 80% of our leadership are effectively solipsists, little is done to improve anything long term because it doesn’t benefit them immediately or personally.
Based on the probabilities we can derive from examining history, the situation will have to deteriorate for a few more generations before a widespread radical event changes key aspects of civilization. We should all try to change things now in less destructive and less risky ways, but I fear it won’t work.
lots of desperate people to keep unskilled labor costs down
America needs more unions sooo badly
He cries into his own lumpy pillows at night
you’ve clearly never used one of his pillows
And now they never will.
How does one prove that someone does not have something?
I claim that I have a five dollar bill in my pocket. I challenge you to prove me wrong.
We turn my pocket inside out. No five dollar bill is there. I lose the challenge.
In Mike Lindels case, what was the pocket that he was forced to open, revealing no data was there?
It seems like such a ridiculous exercise.
From the article:
Engineer Robert Zeidman entered the “Prove Mike Wrong” challenge and proved that Lindell did not possess data showing that the 2020 election was stolen from former President Donald Trump
Yeah, that clears it up!
I’m not sure but the mandatory arbitration lindell himself put in said to pay the guy, so it was as rigged as lindell could get it without it being illegal, and they still felt it was well-proven, and lindell should pay.
Sorry, but a shithead losing support doesn’t qualify as news.
I have no idea why this man is in the American news cycle so much. I guess “talks a lot of bollocks” is enough these days.
He always looks like he should be dictator of a small South American country. Not a real one, obviously, they’d decorate the nearest tree with him, but the sort of dictator who ends up there through a series of zany mishaps in the kind of shit sitcom that Paramount+ might greenlight. With a really uninspired title as well, like El Presidente.
If it were a production directed by Armando Iannucci, I’d watch it.
In a field full of clowns He is the king crusty.
Because he spent millions on ads for his shitty pillow so everyone who was exposed to ads knew his face. And then he came out as a raging fascist so then he became a controversial commercial celebrity.
I don’t think MAGA really view him in high regard, they more or less allow him because Trump loves him. For all non MAGA people, it’s medium entertaining how much of a top to bottom train wreck this guy is. I haven’t seen a single instance of him in a public space where he doesn’t make himself look like a complete fool only to realize he has exposed himself to then try to get out of whatever hole he just dug unsuccessfully, making him look even more foolish. So, you know, an honest and reasonable representative of the average MAGA.
this is unfair exploitation of mental illness.
Mike Lindell is an American hero with a story of success, making a great pillow everyone loved and making himself wealthy in the process
his religious delusions are a form of either mental illness or partial handicap and he shouldn’t be stripped of everything because of that
his belief that the election was rigged AND he had the secret proof (that would hold up to court scrutiny) was clearly a religious delusion and if you think otherwise you don’t understand how cults and mental illnesses intertwine
in a just world, this deal should be something he doesn’t have to honor because he offered this “prove me wrong” thing to the public when he was clearly out of it
what about all the people he employed? the people he made happy with a decent pillow? we as a society have failed by allowing the religiously delusional to enter into any sort of unusual contracts at all. yes, the amish should be allowed to sell grain and the menonites should be allowed to sell delicious jams, but should we really allow right wing religious maniacs to enter into complex contracts?
no, of course not
this man should be given ALL his money back, and an apology from society for exploiting him. this man worked hard in life and doesn’t deserve this
I genuinely can’t tell if the downvotes are because people think you’re serious, or because people think you’re joking, or because people can’t tell if you’re serious or joking.
Given his follow-up responses he seems to generally believe what he said (or at least upholding the joke?). I mean I kinda get the notion that we shouldn’t take advantage of people, but Mike made the competition himself. The guy asking to be paid isn’t taking advantage, he’s asking for what Mike promised him.
Its hard to tell sometimes because I have seen diatribes almost exactly like that, but completely serious.
I mean, the options seem to be “this man is mentally ill, he needs to enter adult conservatorship” or “this man is an adult, who made a contract, and is being held to a contract”
He doesnt seem to be so far gone he needs a conservator, so his contracts are valid.
there needs to be some sort of space between “this person needs a conservator and can’t have any rights” and “this is a logical rational person who can contractually give away 5 million dollars because he’s filled with religious delusions”
It sucks, but there is a lot of precedent in the US for “you are allowed to be as stupid with your money as you want, as long as you’re sane.”
He may have delusions around his religion or beliefs, but he has the rights to have those delusions and beliefs, and if he wants to place bets on his beliefs because he holds them that strongly then he can. If someone else spots him as a mark and takes advantage of him, sure it was dumb of him, and they may not be in the cleanest moral area, but that’s America, learn your lesson and move on.
You go to New York and some guy sells you a newspaper that helps raise money for charity and the homeless for $5 and you believe him then find out it’s a free paper all over the city, that’s life.
We can protect you when you don’t know any better, but when you bet everyone in the room that you can fly and you can’t? That’s a hard bet to make buddy, and a harder bill to pay.
The reality is he is an older American and 5 million dollars is a lot, it’s not a 5 dollar bill. This is exploitation and society is only allowing it because he’s a right wing religious idiot.
The guy held a contest for $5M. Why are you defending him for not paying out? He is supposed to be credible, no?
No one of even mild to low intelligence thinks Mike Lindell is a credible person.
This is a person who had a positive attitude and made a lot of money making pillows, then got older. He is religious and religion and aging affected his brain, especially because he’s clearly not that bright to begin with as evidenced by his religious beliefs. Plenty of people do well in society without being that intelligent because they have a positive attitude.
Stripping this person of 5 million dollars is a form of laissez-faire elder abuse wrapped in the artifice of polite society and it’s blatantly vile.
Just because he’s a disgusting right-wing religious idiot doesn’t mean that elder abuse is acceptable, and intelligent people in society should have the decency to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
Mmmm except whatever shibboleths you may utter against “right-wing religious idiots”, comments like yours help those idiots and others like them by giving them a sort of ‘cognitive plausible deniability’ to get up to whatever evil shit they’ve been getting up to and worse.
Like it’s so obviously minimizing real evil - the evil UNDERNEATH shit like this ‘innocent little contest’, genius - under a shield of “d’aww shucks those pesky white nationalists are up to their hijinx again, those silly knuckleheads”.
So in that context, you talking about ‘disgusting right-wing idiots’ comes off as a real fellowkids moment for you.
you really just keep rattling on about religion and religious beliefs don’t you, you seem to almost carry the same behaviorisms that you apply to lindell.
We need more of these feel good stories. That put a smile on my face.
Stop giving stupid people air time.
man i just spent like an hour in the bathtub reading further into this and belly laughing
i will say though that i think the guy who sold mike lindell the ‘data’ that he’s referring to in the challenge might actually be a genius lol. this is apparently the third or fourth time he’s identified someone who needs some kind of technological hail mary and then he just shows up and is like “i have… the data”. he sold proof that obama faked his birth certificate and also sold a bunch of completely bogus software to the pentagon during the post-9/11 defense industry boom such as software that “decodes” al jazeera broadcasts into secret al qaeda messages. an employee of his testified that he doesn’t even have an IDE installed on his computer. he’s literally made tens of millions of dollars off of this grift and despite being basically constantly legally embattled for the past 20 years has apparently not suffered any consequences. i wish him a long and successful career being the smartest dumb guy in the room
mike lindell actually comes away from this looking almost sympathetic because he is so, so clearly a moron whose conception of data is like, a PS1-era spinning icon of a CD-ROM. it’s very hard for me to guess whether or not he was acting in good faith: on the one hand, the logical thing to do with proof of election tampering is not ‘announce a five million dollar challenge for someone to prove that i don’t have it’, but on the other hand, it’s very very easy to imagine him getting swindled by someone who knows what the I in IP address stands for. he is just not equipped to manipulate data more complicated than the number 58008 on an upside down calculator. either way i would love to know how much money he paid for it (by the way, the data is: a text file with a list of IP addresses in mainland china, a PDF with a ‘graphic depiction of voting machines’, and many terabytes of gibberish binary files timestamped to several days before the challenge was set up). look at this quote the guy is literally zoolander stupid
“I said, ‘Wow!’ This would absolutely explain what I couldn’t explain!” Lindell recalled in an interview. “It was done with computers! I knew that was the only explanation."
What’s hilarious is that they all seem to have proof of all these things, but they never release any of it.
Wait…there is money in manufacturing false data to sell to these fascists?
Oh, if only my moral compass was just a bit weaker. The TSA spent about a decade after its conception trying to find a magic box that identifies terrorists in airports. The millimeter wave scanners are the most successful thing to come out of the entire effort. Those at least sorta work, and most of the rest on the list are far worse than that. Made a bunch of people a lot of money, though.
Security theater, just like signatures for credit cards. At least they’re doing away with those.
I don’t know if it is unethical. They want a narrative and you sold it to them. Is making a superhero movie unethical? Is roleplay in the bedroom unethical? You are taking money away from fascists which is always a good thing.
The votes were IN the computers all along?
Smartmaticsonite… I was WAYYY off!
Want good reads to recommend concerning this?
sorry im not sure if you’re asking or offering. if you’re offering then absolutely, hit me. if you’re asking then these two are pretty good:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada-companys-troubles-entangle-gibbons-federal-government/
https://www.npr.org/2009/12/19/121667905/the-man-who-conned-the-pentagon
Sorry, autocorrect screwed me. I was asking if you had any good reads to recommend. Thanks!
My favorite part is that the lawsuit is being brought by a Trump voter.
“Let them fight!”
an employee of his testified that he doesn’t even have an IDE installed on his computer.
that doesn’t make him not a programmer, plenty of linux pilled programmers don’t use IDEs.
Hell some of the really prominent ones use shit like text mate, DHH for example.
Dude is a clown.
The fact that he did a “prove me wrong” instead of a “here’s the proof” tells me, at minimum, had a suspicion that the proof had no merit.
No, he admitted at some point the “5 mil to prove me wrong” was a publicity stunt to drum up media coverage of his conference.
He thought it was impossible to prove a negative, but in this case the data was so clearly unrelated to any election, much less election fraud, the judge found that the confrence go-er had proved him wrong.
“But the pillow executive moved forward with an appeal anyway.”
God damnit… I truly hope that history looks back on this period of time as the outrageously ridiculous and overwhelmingly disappointing failure that it is. Fuck, man… God damnit, this is so FUCKING stupid.
My concern is that within a couple of decades this country will be converted into a theocratic fascist nation that won’t allow history to be taught (at least, not the “unapproved” version). My closest data point in support of this is the current projected electoral vote count: Biden - 224, Trump - 301, tied - 13. How in the hell (gerrymandering, media horseracing, and everything else) is this fraud LEADING?
History will probably unveil one of the largest psychological operations ever perpetrated by foreign actors in order to dismantle a hegemony and it’ll be clear as day. In a couple decades everyone will act at though it was totally obvious that in less than 10 years the ‘common sense’ rural folk decided to worship someone with used car salesman ethics and elect his entourage of unqualified nincompoops, none of which have enough intuition to start a lawnmower
Meanwhile the rest of us have already known it, and tell them, but they won’t listen.
“Less than 10 years” isn’t giving Rupert Murdoch the blame he deserves. Repubs have been working on this for decades.
I hope he’s forgotten. He wants to be remembered.
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. I hope he’s remembered, just poorly.
I’m okay with conservatives repeating a past where they con themselves into having to pay out $5 million and having all of their lawyers abandon them over trying to fight that.
Well said - I’ve said this since he first ran, but his truest instinct is to nuke the entire world a day before he dies to avoid even the chance that people laugh at him when he’s dead.
That said, he will die thankfully and I hold out hope that we will collectively raise the money to buy the land he’s eventually buried in, raise the body and live it to the middle of nowhere where we to turn it into the only public restroom within 50 miles of the closest mega truck stop - that our money also subsidizes to run a 24 hour all you can eat $2.99 fried fish, stuffed cabbage and chilli buffet.
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
Ya’ll should watch some of his ‘broadcasts’.
Not, like, the whole things.
Tommy Campbell’s YT channel does basically recaps of the stupidest shit the stupid MAGA clowns do and… well Mr. Lindell features quite often.
Lindell is basically the most perfect stereotype for a loser idiot boomer that lucked his way into being a business owner, and he is of course astoundingly technically incompetent.
There are at this point running gags with a number of words that he seemingly is incapable of pronouncing correctly, the guy produces moron clips at such a rate Im surprised he isnt a number of widely used meme formats.
sounds amazing. can you put up a link?
Sure!
https://m.youtube.com/@tommycampbell
I am on mobile but the url should fix itself.
Another running bit he does is…
Ok, so he calls it a ‘special version’ of Lauren Boebert’s autobiography.
I think what this means its that the only editorializing is that he adds ‘It was like a fairy tale.’ at the end of all of the maybe couple of pages he reads, which presumably would not actually be in the actual book.
But you see, I cannot actually tell how much of the rest of what he is reading is direct from the book and hammed up for effect.
She comes across as having the writing ability of maybe an 8th grader… and the stories are so absolutely absurd… but the problem is that Lauren Boebert is so fucking absurd, I cannot reliably draw a line between what Boebert has written, and what Campbell is hamming up.
Its … its like reading a diary of the villain from mean girls, except she’s a hick, regularly does crimes, has the trashiest life imaginable, she has infinite self confidence and is somehow self aware but also not self aware at the same time.
incapable of pronouncing correctly
Lonely bookish kids, grown men who do not listen to anyone else, ESL adults who had to pick up the language without help. Take a guess which one of the three he is.
Alex, I’ll be forgoing your 3 options and asking instead “What is an obviously still using cocaine addict?”
He might have graduated from the rock to the powder, but at this rate he’ll either be incarcerated or back to the rock soon.
What is with angry men and cocaine? It’s like a chicken and egg problem.
Hey now, I’m an angry man because of my horrible ADHD and my inability to just do things
I don’t even like cocaine!
There are two kinds of Republicans—billionaires and suckers
He proves he’s a sucker, because a real fascist would know never to ask to be proven wrong
FINO
Fascist In Name Only.
Seems drugs were treating him better then Jesus is.
