People born here don’t even get healthcare lol
I get healthcare.
When I arrive at the hospital via ambulance, and just enough to stabilize me so they can boot me back out the door, then send me a bill for 900,000 dollars for it.
#MURICA
That $900,000 dollars is just what they bill you if you have insurance. If you pay cash directly to the hospital you can negotiate the amount down to $740,000.
You can actually negotiate it down way further. The hospital may actually write it off depending on your financial situation.
Not defending the system btw. I think it’s asenine that my fellow citizens have to jump through these hoops. Tax funded healthcare (or at the very least tax payer funded insurance) is the way to go.
And many don’t get equal rights.
People are really quick to pull up the ladder once they get slightly comfortable.
“if they want a ladder, they should make a ladder like I had to! My money shouldnt go to subsidize their ladders!” -A guy who has never built a ladder in his life, and was heavily reliant on socialized subsidization before he got to where he is now.
Truly a land of equality.
No healthcare or equal rights for original natives, old immigrants/new natives or new immigrants.
To be fair, the immigrants didn’t like the people who are were already living here.
It was founded by land thieves and slave oligarchs, it was built by immigrants
It is the same country that was founded under the premise of freedom for all, while owning slaves.
What’s the first nations members opinion on that?
First nations people can suck it up or go back to their own country
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
That’s the patriotic message I can feel deeply about, respect, admire, and hold dear to me.
There was a line after that, but she dropped the other tablet and shrugged it off:
“This way to the mines, fields, and factories.”
That sounds like liberal propaganda to me!
(which is why I’m loving it btw:-P)
Almost like… human lives might be worth something, ya’know?! Independently of stock prices even, perhaps?
That tracks actually, Americans don’t have healthcare or equal rights
Immigrants get better healthcare than many Americans. They get Medicaid unless they are disqualified by having too high of an income.
https://www.healthcare.gov/immigrants/lawfully-present-immigrants/
Is that not also true of citizens unless they earn too high am income?
Yes but also “too high of an income” isn’t even a living wage.
I believe so. I’m just pointing out the meme is wrong. I wrote that it’s better because Medicaid has no deductibles on most care.
The meme says it what they think.
A diffuser part of the meme’s details is wrong. The rest tracks. So don’t get lost in the details when there’s a bigger message.
But Medicaid doesn’t mean healthcare (sadly)
Medicaid is health insurance. If you don’t make any money, you don’t pay any deductibles for healthcare. The price scales with your income.
Medicaid isn’t available for poor people without a disability in every state. This article is a couple of years old (it is now 10 states that haven’t expanded Medicaid instead of 12), but the coverage gap is real.
Maybe not, but it’s available to immigrants according to the Federal Government.
https://www.healthcare.gov/immigrants/lawfully-present-immigrants/
I’m aware. That doesn’t mean you actually get healthcare though. Most places won’t take it. Those that do either have long waiting lists or won’t actually give decent treatment. It’s rare if not impossible to find a decent provider that takes Medicaid in my area, even just for primary care.
I have it in NY. Every provider I’ve needed accepts it. There’s no waiting list. What state are you in that doesn’t accept it?
The reddest state in the land
When I was living in VA it was fucking hell to find someone to accept Medicaid.
Was that before the Medicare for All act of 2023? It’s very different now.
Yeah I definitely don’t have healthcare. And rights vary to a great extent by location. Except the 4th Amendment, it’s dead everywhere.
We already have a 4th. That’s the 4th of July. Fuck yeah, go 'murica, grandma, and apple pie!
Doingthestuff is right though, maybe it is time that we start challenging laws enacted against the 4th and make it real again. The Patriot act may not be the easiest place to start, but we can find something the Pubs and Crats agree on and start there maybe. Build it’s power back up until we can show that it has reason and peoples rights matter.
Hopeful rant of a fool.
That said, the 4th would possibly protect people from many of the unfounded DUI/dwi charges as well. Step out of the car and fail a test that you can’t pass because it is all lies, should infact be a breach of the 4th when they claim to have pulled you over for driving 56 in a 50. Speeding isn’t a valid warranted search for if someone had been drinking. So they would need to use their actual dashcam footage to show a driver swerving to have reason to bring charges of impairment. A driver going 6 mph over the speed limit is by no means a reason of impairment as that happens ALL the time by non-impared drivers. Bad hill to die on because peoples views of impaired drivers, but if 1/100 drivers are wrongfully charged it should not happen, and it is likely closer to 20/100 a number of places due to bias and hatred.
I’d go so far as to not have cops pull people over at all unless there’s a serious crime happening. They have dashcams and every car has license plates, so they can just send that picture and a report and mail you a ticket.
They do this already with school buses. There’s cameras on the side and if you drive past when the stop sign is out they will mail you a ticket. It even comes with a link to the actual video of the offense so you have a chance to dispute it.
Cops frequently say that traffic stops are the most dangerous part of their job, and people are killed and injured in police chases with alarming regularity. Eliminating them and not giving the government’s hired goons a chance to violate our fourth amendment rights is a win-win.
To be fair, they don’t think natural born citizens deserve healthcare or equal rights either.
The word “think” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, don’t you think? :-P
More like regurgitate what was fed in. Compliance will be rewarded, after all. Come now, don’t you want to comply?
Founded by settler-colonialists.
Potato, po-tah-to - but I see your point.
Hey now, a bunch of those settler-colonialists also classified as war refugees, given that the continent was a near continuous bloodbath across the 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries.
Fleeing some form of religious persecution or cross-border struggle or engineered famine has been a major driver for North American migrants from the Mayflower Era right up until the modern day.
My family came over in 1733 because the French burned down every village within a couple miles of the Rhine
Hey, I’m here with ya. My mom’s grandparents fled Mussolini and my dad’s grandparents fled Stepan Bandera.
Or when humans think they’re better than other humans cause of where they were born. Such a silly metric, we’re all fucking born on Earth and the same species ya jackasses.
Otherkin rights are person rights
the same species
Oh they’re quick in “fixing” this by dehumanising others.
A lot of people are operating on a mostly emotional level. The words are after-the-fact justifications for what they feel. And most of what they feel is ingroups to protect, outgroups to bind.
I remember back when I was living in Britain during Brexit that there were such ridiculous situations as the Polish lady who was pro-Leave very overtly to “stop more people coming over”. Most of the people the Brexiters were complaining that “too many of them are coming over because of the EU Freedom Of Movement” were Poles.
I’ve seen this kind of thing often described as “pulling the ladder up after you’ve climbed it”.
When it comes to immigration, I’ve seldom seen a discussion which is not self-serving in some way or other and whilst that’s pretty self-explanatory for the anti-immigration crowd, even a lot of the pro-immigration crowd are either self-serving (rightwingers who want an increase and less price-sensitivity in the Offer side of the market for Workers, to push salaries down) or whose pro-immigration stand is only because they believe they themselves will not be negativelly impacted by it rather than being a genuine desire of increasing the common good.
There is very little discussion anchored on Principles such as “we have a moral obligation of treating those we invited in as Guests” or “there is a lot of suffering, both here and abroad, so given that we don’t have the resources to help 8 billion people, what’s the best way to reduce that suffering that doesn’t just move it around or destroys the very things that make possible that prosperity we have to help with that”.
Most of the thinking around this an hyper-simplistic side-taking rather than actually trying to do things like reducing pain as much as possible without actually moving the pain around or creating ghettos in the countries taking in immigrants with a new underclass defined by their country of birth or even race (go look at the Paris baudelieres for a good example of that)
For example, I think Europe should not accept immigrants who chose to cross the Med in boats trying to illegally enter Europe, because they are either the stronguest amongst those in need or driven by greed rather than need, and from the very start they think the Law should not apply to them which makes it more likely they will continue to act like that when in Europe, yet at the same time I think Europe has moral obligating of going to the many refugee camps out there and find the people more in need and help them, including bringing them over if they do so desire, since as we are unable to help everybody, the most pain-reducing way of all to help the subset of people we can help is to find and help those hurting the most - helping the strong should have far less priority than helping the weak and we have no moral obligation at all of helping the greedy.
I also think that a lot of the problems that cause the pain that then leads to immigration is because of the acts of Western elites (and not only elites, though a disproportionate fraction of the gains ends up in the hands of such elites) - it’s why we should be going after those causing Global Warming (which is increasing Climate problems that turn into catastrophes in many poorer countries), people exploiting the resources in those countries, providing support to dictatorial regimes in poorer countries (not just arm sellers and countries arming or even directly intervening to prop-up “friendly” dictators but also those people who help corrupt leaders there enjoy the luxury that their stollen money buys) and so on.
IMHO, immigrantion is to a large extent a very indirect symptom of unbridled Capitalism in the West.
“It is recognised in the 1951 Convention that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means in order to escape and claim asylum in another country – there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.”
Oh yeah, the UK is properly fucked up on that regard.
Some of Continental Europe is better, but nowehere is the system properly designed for helping the ones who need it the most, much less to balance it with not negativelly impact those who make the system have the means to helps some of those who need help.
