Pressed on whether the court has an obligation to put the country on a more “moral path,” Roberts turns the tables on his questioner: “Would you want me to be in charge of putting the nation on a more moral path?” He argues instead: “That’s for people we elect. That’s not for lawyers.” Presented with the claim that America is a “Christian nation” and that the Supreme Court should be “guiding us in that path,” Roberts again disagrees, citing the perspectives of “Jewish and Muslim friends,” before asserting, “It’s not our job to do that. It’s our job to decide the cases the best we can.”
I know John Roberts has made some terrible rulings, but he deserves credit where it’s due in that he won’t literally tear up the Constitution. Unfortunately he’s the exact kind of Justice the Trump-era GOP tries to avoid choosing, because he puts the Constitution above Trump.
He’s like the other right-leaning justices, where he is an originalist, but only as long as it fits his political belief system.
So weird that a justice, influenced by a party run by religious extremists, picks and chooses when to strictly follow a foundational text. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
What he says, and what he does…
he deserves credit where it’s due in that he won’t literally tear up the Constitution
Guy pealing big ribbons off the edge of the document for the last 19 years still hasn’t shoved it wholesale through a shredder. And for that we should be grateful, maybe, unless oops he’s in a 5-4 decision were the other justices decide to go at constitutional law with a blowtorch.
he puts the Constitution above Trump
Excited for him to put on RGB’s “I Dissent!” necklace in the SCOTUS decision that hands Trump Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia in 2024.
Mark my words. These people are not just willing, but eager to unleash nuclear hellfire in the Middle East, under the ludicrous assumption that they can fulfill prophecy and force Jesus to return. They shouldn’t be entrusted to run fast food joints, much less a superpower. It’s an apocalypse cult. They have been trying to end the world for 2000 years.
Imagine it actually worked…
“Congratulations American Republicans! You won the God Prize! Murder enough innocent people in the right place and you win a visit from Jesus and salvation forever! You know what totally jives with our teachings of love and respect for your neighbors? Mass murder!”
That prophecy was fulfilled in the mid 1800’s. As was predicted in almost every holy text, almost everyone didn’t notice.
Boycott Chick-fil-A, and Hobby Lobby
Blow up Chick-fil-A and Hobby Lobby
Their corporate HQ? Sure. C-Suite Execs Houses? Even better. The individual stores? Nah, those workers just took the first job that said, “fine, you can work here.”
agreed. there’s always after hours too, though
And then people that have no say in the politics or religion of the company (and possibly outright disagree with it) would suddenly find themselves out of a job and unable to pay rent.
people are going to have to get uncomfortable if they want change
Burning down the workplaces of people not involved in a cause is a pretty shitty way of attracting others to said cause. It’s also just a shitty thing to do in general.
Not only is their kind better than everyone else in their eyes, but even among their kind, they as individuals are the CHOSEN ONES to fulfill the prophecy! I mean, they’re so smart and awesome that obviously the limitless power that created the cosmos needs a little help from such a very important big boy human.
And then they go online and complain about how little kids all get trophies and told they’re worth something, or some shit.
It’s delusions of grandeur, but in an especially Dunning-Kruger way.
This fucker understands that the fascist Republican will NOT compromise or ever get along with the majority of Americans. The fact he entertains their existence or bills at all means he’s a fucking fascist.
Alito seems so unhinged, guy looks cooked.
Lordy, I hope there are tapes!
The article and the headline both clearly state that it was documented. No consequences will come of this either.
The second flag is the “Appeal to Heaven” flag, a Revolutionary War-era banner. The “Appeal to Heaven” language references philosopher John Locke, who argued that, when earthly political appeals are exhausted, men have the right to take up arms and let God sort out the justness of the cause. While the The Appeal to Heaven flag was not always controversial, it has been revived by militant Christian nationalists and was also a potent symbol on Jan. 6. This flag was flown at the Alitos’ vacation home in New Jersey in 2023.
I didn’t know the flag was literally “kill everyone and let God sort them out”…
This is some real Sons of Jacob type of stuff…
Get these fairy-tale-believing cunts out of government.
I will do my part by not voting in protest! That will surely work! (/s)
Politicians famously consider the opinions of people who don’t vote. /s
Maybe they ought to? There’s quite a lot of potential votes out there. Also want to add that I always vote, and politicians never consider my opinion anyway.
Reliable demographics or voting blocks get preferential treatment over fair-weather voters. If you want to know why even the GOP won’t overtly kill social security or medicare (unless they include a way to keep current recipients on benefits), it’s because old people vote very reliably. Though with the modern day cultists this isn’t as true anymore since MAGAs will happily let the GOP take everything from them if they think it will hurt their perceived political enemies.
This is just useful expenditure of political capital. As a politician you want to stick your neck out for groups that are definitely showing up.
Seems like a good way to ensure you have low turnout elections, with only die-hard party-heads participating. That way, elections are won or lost on how jazzed up you can get your base, and you never have to attract anyone new. That sounds bad enough, but I think who the politicians actually listen to are their donors. Anytime there is a conflict between what the donors want, and what the constituency wants… voters can get fucked.
Believe it or not, there are people in the center that switch votes. That’s who they go after.
Still the same small pool of voters.
That’s why you vote uncommitted. There’s no way to ignore that message or use any of their usual excuses.
But the Democrats understand what they need to do in order to win election, they’re just so latched to the corporate tit that they won’t do it. Think they can get a few more gulps of that sweet lobby money before things get “serious”. The pigs are too busy feeding to give a fuck about our democracy collapsing.
I mean they do, insofar as it might be easier to convert someone not voting into someone voting for them than it is to convert someone voting for their opponent.
Protest voting would be aimed at reforming a democratic party that’s unfit to confront fascism. It’s a legitimate strategy whether you agree with it or not.
Another Biden term will not do anything to mitigate Democratic complicity with fascism. Establishment dems are quite literally worse than useless.
Except it doesn’t reform. You win elections from the center, so if Dems lose they go further to the center. Because those are the voters that exist.
No voting accomplishes literally nothing. It never has and it never will. In reality, it’s counter productive every time.
Whose idea was it to appoint Supreme Court justices for life? That seems like asking for trouble.
Blame the conservatives for abusing the system.
The framers of the constitution. But to be fair, back then they did not expect people to live this long. If anything, blame science. It’s all their fault!
Honestly as much as the lifetime appointment wasn’t the worst idea the drafters had in terms of something for long term stability when the positions in every other branch have varying degrees of volatility, not having some process baked into the Constitution to deal with bad actors in the judiciary was a gross oversight.
not having some process baked into the Constitution to deal with bad actors in the judiciary was a gross oversight.
They can be impeached. That requires both houses of Congress to be on board with it though, and most people wanting a solution to that problem currently don’t want a solution that requires both houses of Congress or a supermajority of state legislatures to be on board because that’s not a kind of support they can get. the only other way to remove a justice from SCOTUS is one casket at a time.
There is a process. They can be impeached just like the President.
It’s more than just the Judicial branch that’s broken.
The Constitution seems to have been written with the idea that politicians will have good intentions. The checks and balances seem to be just to enforce compromise and prevent a single bad actor.
It doesn’t have any protections about and entire political party colluding to grab power. I don’t know how we fix this without amendments or a brand new constitution
And at the time people involved generally did. The only reason we perceive things differently these days is because we expect different outcomes easing a system designed for something else. Our system of government initially was drafted to protect the rights of white land owning males. And it still does this really well. We’ve scaffolded a lot of other things on top of that trying to make it more Equitable for everyone else. But it can’t seem to stop giving preferential treatment to White land owning males.
The thing is the founders knew that they were going to be ignorant about the future. The further out you try to speculate the more wrong you’ll be. They knew that they wouldn’t be able to understand the needs of future generations. They expected things to change. They also expected the Constitution to be heavily amended or completely written every few decades. Instead the status quo has largely ignored their wishes instead deifying them and their original creation as perfect and infallible.
Originalism is fairly new i thought? But your explanation makes sense.
There is. The Military. Its why they swear to the constitutio to protect against all threats foreign and domestic. not a person.
Now, The real question is, how to deal with it if the Military is at best indifferent, or at worst, complicit, and either way refusing to act.
Which should also help shine a worrying light on why the right never wanted the military to investigate and purge white supremacists/fascists/etc
If by “the military,” you mean the well-regulated militia (every able-bodied adult male) exercising their 2nd Amendment rights, then sure.
‘Cause otherwise you could only be talking about the Navy, as (from the founding fathers’ perspective) a permanent standing army was very explicitly and intentionally Not A Thing. (That’s why the Constitution limits for appropriating money to raise and support an army to a term of two years or less.)
All democratic government relies on some amount of good faith. Many of the rules are set up to be guidelines for resolving disputes in a civilized manner, and preventing any single bad actor.
The place where this was most respected was in the transfer of power between presidencies.
That goodwill benefits everyone. If you break it, all hell comes loose. It’s why the Dems have worked so hard to stick to the good faith, even though the other party clearly hasn’t.
It’s why the Dems have worked so hard to stick to the good faith, even though the other party clearly hasn’t.
I’m not so sure the reason is quite so principled. I’m more inclined to believe the explanation in this video starting at about the 6:40 mark: the difficulty building a coalition in the Democratic Party (and especially the conflicting aims of Democratic voters and Democratic donors) causes the party to avoid policy and focus on process instead.
Especially religious ones. Maybe we should have religious tests, just not the way xtianists want them.
There’s a funny thing about lifetime appointments.
You can end them whenever you want.
TIL we still use tape recorders.
Yeah, it’s an expression. Kinda like how you ask someone to “roll the window up” in a car and everyone knows what you mean, despite the fact that the vast majority of cars produced in the last 20 years have come with automatic windows as a standard feature. But hey, don’t let me interrupt lemmy’s favorite pastime, inanely criticizing headlines as if that actually offers anything of substance to the discussion.
You know what they mean.
I’ve noticed a large percentage of Lemmy users don’t read articles, so rather than discussing the news in the comment section, they just nitpick the headline instead.
I would’ve but OP committed the cardinal sin of using a paywalled source
Ah, yes, there’s lemmy’s second favorite hobby, whining about paywalls rather than just pasting the url into one of the numerous sites that allow you to circumvent them if you can’t view it. But hey, why do anything for yourself when you can just demand others do everything for you?
Woah bro CHILL lol, I’m sorry but yeah really living up to your username there though
How hard is it to provide a link from archive.ph?
Was at work, didn’t have time for all that my bad
I’ve noticed a large percentage of Lemmy users don’t read articles, so rather than discussing the news in the comment section, they just nitpick the headline instead.
I’ve noticed this is not unique to Lemmy.
Yes, but we’re on lemmy so you’ll have to forgive me for only mentioning the relevant part.
Fair point!
Wow, that’s pretty fucking blatant.
But so were the last dozen things we’ve discovered about the Tribunal of Six.
Unfortunately, I expect nobody will do anything about this in an official capacity, due to obstructionism by the right, and because politicians on the left would probably think iT’s toO diViSiVE
We as civilians should gather outside the Supreme Court and demand he be removed.
His response will be
laughter fuck you, eat shit
Not if you’re peacefully protesting and practicing your right to bear arms at the same time. Rubepublicans hate that shit.
I mean, if you try that in DC, you’ll get arrested. They require permits for concealed carry, and open carry is not legal outside of law enforcement and military.
Well they’re squashing protestors all over the place. So get ready.
I mean if you’re preparing in the sense I think you are, you shouldn’t be posting about it
the Tribunal of Six
Stealing this.
Hexumvirate?
He endorsed what his interlocutor described as a necessary fight to “return our country to a place of godliness.”
Disturbing on the face. But then you think, what exactly do they think is ungodly? Business regulation? Gay right to exist and marry? It’s gay rights and trans rights isn’t it? Let that sink it, it’s human fucking rights that they think is ungodly.
You know godliness when a man could marry and rape a child before starting to whip those slave back into place just as god wanted all along
Asshole claims to be an “originalist”.
Same asshole: We have to “return” a country founded as a secular one to “godliness”.
human fucking rights
Literally…
The GOP will be coming for Brown v Board of Education next, and you can bet your ass Clarence Thomas and the other right wing justices will be all for it.
I’m pretty sure they’ll overturn Obergefell before Brown.
I wonder if there will be a third school for Asian kids. Or do they go with black? Is it white and “other”?
I know at least where I’m from, these ghouls pretty much just hate black people.
Schools? Oh, we won’t have any of those when the GOP is done.
Charter schools with government funding.
Silly you. There will be Catholic schools to teach the bible, and to teach girls how to be good submissive housewives.
No, actually. The current GOP stance on compulsory schooling is, “no”. They really don’t believe every child should be educated.
I’m not even talking about kids with special needs or “just minorities”. They really don’t believe in compulsory education. It’s considered government overreach.
The ideal GOP educational system is 100% private and only those who can afford it get to go. They couldn’t care less about literacy rates.
They want the Bible taught in schools but they don’t want kids to actually read it. That would reveal what’s in it (liberal stuff everywhere!), after all.
Indirectly, this is why red states have the cheapest real estate values, but no one wants to move there. Economic value is literally centered around blue states, which have the highest literacy rates
It’s one of those things that depends on the situation. As it stands, they want “no compulsory education”, but it’s because they don’t like what the students will learn. However, if they could be assured that the compulsory education would be consistent with their views, then they would be all about compulsory education. No need to fear the Bible, there’s plenty of “help” interpreting it available to people reading it…
Same on abortion rights. Currently the rhetoric is “well, it should be up to the states, not the federal government” but if they can ban it nationally, suddenly they would not be in favor of states like New York or California deciding for themselves.
Other and white mean whatever the ones in power mean. I recently learned that Russians often don’t see Caucasians (from the caucuses) as white.
Not long ago Irishmen weren’t considered white
Nah conservatives will be eager to put Asians in the “not white” category at the drop of a hat.
“I agree with you. I agree with you,” replies Alito
Send this guy to prison. He’s compromised the Constitution in the open.
Illegitimate court. Every single ruling by them should be thrown out. Almost half of them are corrupt and compromised, letting personal beliefs and feelings sway law. Justice is supposed to be blind, not Christian nationalist. Get them all off the bench.
Supreme count set in when? I wanna grill some seitan ribs and sell them for John Brown breakfast club donations in the justices’ secret nepobaby room maybe light up a joint too. No poo poo on the walls please thou but I’m definitely gonna steal things 👺
“I think you’re probably right,” Alito replies. “On one side or the other — one side or the other is going to win. I don’t know. I mean, there can be a way of working — a way of living together peacefully, but it’s difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can’t be compromised. They really can’t be compromised. So it’s not like you are going to split the difference.”
In other words, dude wants some Taliban shit and wants to be able to control people are not prescribed to his religion.
If his family doesn’t want to have abortions, or wants their kids to learn about god in school, there is nothing stopping them from living that way. Just don’t force me to live that way.
The establishment clause yo
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
“Congress shall”… I wonder if that’s part of his thinking.
His reasoning. He knew where he stood on the issue before he had any good reasons for it.
He has to be part of an opinion in order for this to work. That opinion stands the test of time best if he can put forth a legal opinion that supports his preferred answer.
Well yeah but the number one thing these people crave is dominion over others. Any professed love for liberty, freedom, and the rule of law will go out the window the second they can successfully do so.
That’s why they are acting now. Because their demographics are cooked after this election, so they are going all in to try and steal control away from the people.
My main concern with the reporting is that the reporter is leading Alito a bit. Alito isn’t pushing back at all, but I feel like that is the narrative fox and others are gonna go with
He explicitly says he agrees with what she says. I don’t think it’s worth being concerned over what a propaganda outlet is going to spin up - there isn’t a scenario where they wouldn’t spin up a defense of Alito. Reality isn’t a concern for propagandists; no adjustment of tact will change that fact. To each their own, though.
It would be one thing if there was no mechanism for accountability within the Supreme Court. Its a fundamental flaw in our constitution.
However: https://www.fastcompany.com/90243523/can-a-supreme-court-justice-be-removed-yes-and-heres-how
The way the Biden campaign is running to the right this election, Democrats will almost assuredly be losing the house and the senate, so removing any of these justices is a bit of a fantasy. If anything, we’ll probably lose a liberal justice for a conservative one.
Good for him. Making America great again one day at a time.
