Several transgenders who I know, always envision themselves with like goatees and other typical attributes that shape them into this trucker guy look.
And I just don’t get it and spare me the whole “that’s just what they wanna be” responses. Because, there are other male models to ideally go for than just that. I personally don’t find the look attractive myself so I can’t really care that they go this direction.
That isn’t all that a guy is anyways, that isn’t even what it usually takes to look like a guy.
Downvoting questions like this isn’t helping trans people, it’s just making curious people uncomfortable.
Fuck being curious I guess.
IT’S PRIDE MONTH NOW! ANYTHING ANYONE HAS TO SAY ABOUT LGBTQ PEOPLE IS NOT ALLOWED! IT IS NOT ALLOWED AND THE LANGUAGE MUST MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS SO IT IS SOFT AND COMPREHENSIBLE FOR THE MINORITIES TO NOT GET OFFENDED!!!
Want a kicker? I’m a Non-Binary/Bisexual individual. How about them apples?
That goes to show being a dick knows no bounds.
OP isn’t curious, he’s a bigot.
The problem with all of this, in my opinion, is the societal stereotypes and expectations on men and women. Requiring people to fit into a classification for the convenience of others does not allow them to “just be who they want to be”. Who are you to tell someone they should look one way or another? If we could all just accept people dressing how they want or enjoying the pleasures of life however they want, most of this entire cultural conversation would be irrelevant. People struggling to conform to the stereotypes set by others is causing mental and emotional instability. Thankfully, things are getting better and, most of us, are accepting of people for however they want to present themselves. Personally, I don’t believe that means they need to “identify” as a male or female but that’s what they need to do in order to subvert expectations.
Why do you dress the way you do or like the things you do? Why do you believe someone who is unlike you needs to justify how they see themselves and what they like? I dress and act the way I do because it’s what feels like “me”. I’m a guy and look at the vast majority of “male models” (whatever that means) and find I have nothing in common with them at all. To be honest, I’m more comfortable dressing like an old lady than a “trucker guy look”. So, are you going to question why I dress the way I do as well?
I hate to break it to you, but things are actually getting worse, not better
I don’t have hard evidence for this, but I would wager that it’s just getting louder. We’d rarely, if ever, hear about hate violence when I was a kid. Now it’s everywhere. Why? Is it because it’s more? No, statistics show violent crime is on the decline. It’s because it’s louder. News media didn’t use to talk about it, they’d hush it up or write about other reasons. Now it’s more accurately reported because there are lots of public LGBT voices.
That may be true in some places but I don’t think so across the board. Don’t let the news cycle or the vocal minorities twist reality. Gay marriage is legal, we have gay members in congress and the president’s cabinet, and trans political leaders. Overall, things are better than they were 20 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transgender_political_office-holders
No because that’s not the focal point of the question. For fuck sakes, it’s responses like this, that demeans and just shits all over any honest questions that could be asked. You turn into this fictitious strawman of a scenario where you think people are asking you more than just the question I posted here. You’re assuming people are going to be like that which, by the way, is ironically a stereotypical behavior in of itself.
People could be asking things out of curiosity or sheer innocence. It’s YOU being the one making it personal. Remember that - YOU.
If a child ever asked the same question I just did from the title of this post, are you going to berate them the same? I sure as fuck hope you wouldn’t.
People could be asking things out of curiosity or sheer innocence.
I understand that and that’s how I responded. Again, ask yourself why men choose adopt this look. Why do you believe trans people are different?
You missed an opportunity to keep your mouth closed.
He did.
As did we miss the opportunity to realize he’s a furry. https://furry.engineer/@savvywolf
Of all the people to ask this question…No, I won’t. Not for you. Not for anyone.
Go ahead, play with your little internet toy you call a karma system. Only difference is, is that we’re not Reddit so you cannot silence me by negating my ‘karma’ points. All you can do is just whine to someone to get something done.
And even if I’m banned by whatever means, I will not shut up. You don’t dictate my voice and you can kindly go fuck yourself for your ignorance.
Stop asking dumb questions and you’ll find the kinds of responses you get will change.
Your response made no sense. Stop saying stupid things.
No U
K.
You’re just a complete shithead and horrible person and you advertise it.
Pfft, for asking a curious question. I’m just glad you’re not in charge of like - anything.
Confirmation bias is one hell of a drug.
But ignoring that, I can imagine traditionally “masculine” features like facial hair would be particularly appealing to those who have gone their whole life feeling uncomfortably feminine. Like, now they are exploring masculinity, they want to go all in.
I’m interested in what people who are trans think of this.
To try and answer the question, I think this is really about cultural history and fashion. The real question is “how did the male trucker look come about, historically?”
Then, “what parts of this fashion look represent traditional masculinity, did the look come to symbolize it, or did parts of the look already come derived from traditional masculinity?”
Then you can make an assumption that F to M trans that like this look find it to reflect the parts of their inner masculinity, because of the historical symbolism of masculinity held within the look. I’m not gonna do all the historical research, though.
There was an influx of “truckers” in the media of the 1970’s and '80s. Movies like Over The Top and Smokey and the Bandit and songs like Convoy come to mind. I don’t know why this was the case but in my mind it marks the beginning of a cultural milestone. I was also born in '76 so my perception is skewed.
I submit Exhibit A.
A’yup, people are going to turn and twist the context around to mean this as an attack. The freedom to talk about generally anything was a bygone era and it’s becoming more and more apparent.
Incoming responses next now of people jeering and telling me how much of an insensitive asshole that I am. rolls eyes Can’t wait. Let’s hear it. Bitch away.
Lmao…you make a post with stereotypes based on your own experiences (which I’ve never even heard of, tbh), and you get angry because your “freedom” was violated…yet everyone else is the problem? Lol
Where are you seeing people transitioning from F to M looking like truckers? I’ve never seen nor heard of a single one before this post.
Sorry you never seem to consider that we see different people on a constant basis. Do you think we live in a world where the population is like 1,000?
How does one unironically make this comment after asking “why do all trans people do this thing that I saw a couple trans people do?”
I didn’t have a problem with the question, but I really have a problem with this comment.
It’s like an insurance policy for assholes.
All I hear is: “I just said a thing, and I think other people might find something wrong with it, so I’m going to preemptively insult anyone who calls me out, so instead of listening to why my statement might be problematic, I can say ‘See! I was right!’”
The bygone era you speak of, wasn’t freedom to talk about anything, it was a fear of standing up against the norm. It was a time of silently allowing assholes to spread hate because defending the outcasts would make you a target, and I say farewell and fuck off to that era.
This ‘preemptive’ insult you call it, is basically knowing what’s going to happen. I saw the downvotes incoming ahead of time. I knew people weren’t going to take to it well because they saw it as an attack and did. Now, several responses back and forth between me and other people. I was right. You guys DID take it as an attack and you’re all acting on it so. You decided at will to decipher it as an attack and here you all are defending yourselves, presenting all sorts of made-up arguments that weren’t even made and assumptions of things that weren’t even said to defend yourselves against.
Call it foresight. If this question stood on it’s own with no responses and none of me. SOMEONE would throw the first fucking stone, don’t deny it, you know that it is true.
Excuse me? That’s quite a revision and again a twist of context that I swear I knew you’d pull to do. Wow, just wow. See what I mean? No you don’t.
You didn’t HAVE to prove me right, but I appreciate that you did. A lot of people wouldn’t have done that. Thanks.
Oh you’re adorable. Now to block.
I also appreciate that.
I wouldn’t have called you an asshole until I read this comment! Really makes it seem like the whole post was more about ranting about your freedoms and those sensitive transgenders than a genuine inquiry into the lived experiences of trans guys, you know? Especially considering no one has said anything yet apart from yourself.
In case anyone reading this is actually having questions about the content of the main post, OPs anecdotes are not representative of trans men as a whole. Those who choose to present that way do so for a myriad of reasons, just as the cis men who present that way do. Would you be asking yourself these same questions about cis men? Trans people get shit if they try “too hard” to conform to gender stereotypes and also get shit if they don’t conform enough.
Except the problem with your response is that - nobody including I is making this up to be a big deal issue. You’re just pulling strawmen out of your ass to victimize yourself over.
- Nobody had responded when you wrote this
- What a persecution complex
- Twitter is owned by a transphobe with a personal vendetta against his own child for being trans. You are not being discriminated against
…What?
Got a victim complex, huh?
You’re gonna get downvoted for making a blanket statement based on anecdotal evidence. Some trans people want to look like truckers. Some don’t. It’s like asking why lesbians are flannel-wearing mechanics.
Why not ask the people you know why?
Where’s the blanket statement? Oh, right, it’s just a made up thing for you to victimize yourself over. You make anything about you, don’t you?
I’m not trans so it’s not really about me, though.
Why do men want to sport the trucker look? Because they like it. Why do trans men sport the trucker look? It’s a mystery, better ask Lemmy!
How are you not aware that "why do trans people (M-F) do XYZ” is a blanket statement about trans people doing XYZ? Do you… do you know what a blanket statement is? Or what victimize means?
Actually, do you know what any of the words you’ve used mean? You kinda sound like an LLM that used YouTube comments to learn how to argue.
Humility.
The OP was founded on a misconception (that all trans people want to look the same). It’s important to realise where you may have flawed logic and call it out. It demonstrates that you are willing to listen and learn. Even something as simple as “this may be confirmation bias, but…” or “Is what I’ve seen common?” goes a long way.
Secondly, you are going to be wrong on the internet. It’s inevitable; you’re going to offend someone or make a faux pas. Take the L, apologise and move on. Look inside yourself and accept “yeah, I goofed”. Don’t live a life where you feel you need to constantly be fighting off “attackers” and defending yourself.
People are much more receptive to peope who demonstrate a willingness to learn and grow.
What a wonderful response, though I fear the OP is going to somehow read it as another character attack.
Why don’t you ask the trans people you know? They’re more likely to know their reasons that we are. We’re just random people in the Internet. They’re the ones whose style causes you questions.
It’s messy. What is trans? How much of it is I am ___ versus I’m not ___ or becoming the most non-whatever I was? Male <> female or male stereotype <> female stereotype? And how much does where/how you grew up play a part in that? Wear what you want, do what you want, be who you want, fuck who you want, change any of it tomorrow if you want. I don’t really understand the labels for everything. Maybe because I’m old? Maybe because I grew up in the '80s? Is androgenous the same as non-binary?
