Marijuana is its own special category, but club drugs (which for some reason include date rape drugs), inhalants and steroids are all in a “miscellaneous” category together?
Also, note all the ridiculous drug propaganda lies.
The people who blabber incessantly about weed being a gateway drug are the exact REASON that I agree with them, but we VERY much disagree on the specifics.
Think of it this way:
Every adult in your life has told you that weed is JUST AS BAD as heroin and cocain and meth. You hear it repeated ad nauseum, ESPECIALLY if you were in DARE.
Now one day someone you have known for a long time offers you some because “it’s not that bad, trust me you’ll be fine” and they go ahead and take a puff or twelve. Turns out it’s not that bad. They were fine after some initial uncoordinated attempts at doing something.
So if weed is this interesting, maybe heroin isn’t that bad either?
Yeah turns out heroin IS that bad, and lumping it in with weed is like tossing the kindergarten bully into a maxsec prison.
So yeah, it’s only a “gAtEwAy dRuG” because you fucks lied for decades and made false equivalence of things and taught kids they can’t trust you.
I’ll agree but sooner or later everyone is going to make the leap its just a matter of how far they think the fall is.
Say we start thinking about weed the same way we think about alcohol now. Ok but there is molly, mushrooms, LSD, and ketamine that can all easily step into the space that weed had occupied. Say we discrimininlize all that too. Now people understand how mood altering substances work and aren’t afraid them. Does heroin seem more accessible now?
I’m not saying a tier system is good and maybe society is just fundamentally flawed in the way it thinks about mind altering substances. Some how though, we need to show people before they learn the hard way, that substance abuse has lasting adverse effects including death.
Turned out, the gateway drug was tobacco…
Arguably one of the worst drugs to be taking. Death is slow and agonizingly painful. The addiction is deep seeded. The high is very minor, like you see me going out on heroin you know I’ve experienced things your greatest orgasm could never compare too. Smoking, I got to like, stand outside for 5 mins at a time.
I’ve experienced things your greatest orgasm could never compare too.
But to anyone reading this, DO NOT DO HEROIN. It’s life-ruining. There’s that story of the guy on Reddit who decided to try it, and gave updates as it ruined his life. He stopped updating and people assume he’s just dead.
Seriously, heroin is some fucked up shit.
I looked it up to read it, harrowing but I don’t think he is dead. He posted a few years ago saying that the account is too much to log in on, from all the messages and I get that. I once made some posts/comments about being suicidal that got nowhere near the attention he got and I was getting DMs about it for years. I can’t imagine the stress of logging in to that account with how many mentions, DMs and comments it must receive, about a really really shitty time in your life.
https://www.reddit.com/user/SpontaneousH/comments/pux3ls/its_been_a_while/?context=3
Oh well would you look at that. Good for him, says he’s been clean.
While drunk, I got insane cravings for cocaine and nicotine
While high, I get insane cravings for pizza and Tame Impala
I just get hang overs.
Weed doesn’t hit like it use to. I think weed/stress and responsibility is a bad combo.
Seems mostly correct to me. What’s the problem with it?
I think op doesn’t like how they are grouped. Weed has an own group, which is kinda stupid. I would classify it as a depressant. Also that they classify stuff like ecstasy and Ketamin and GHP AS “Club Drugs”. I mean yeah, they are quite common club drugs, but they are stimulants(or for Ketamine maybe a hypnotic).
Weed is a gateway drug to the fridge.
lmao
The fact it still teaches the “gateway drug” shit tells me it’s outdated as hell.
Hmm, I went looking around and it seems opinions are mixed?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_drug_effect#History suggests one longitudinal study found a causal link, but another meta-study found a correlation without enough evidence to indicate a causal link?
When you gotta hang out with people (who most likely do/sell other drugs), no risk that you’re going to get an offer to try something else.
Not really true at all in Canada. Once again this is just the side effects of weed being illegal being mistaken for the fault of the substance when it’s not.
Water is a gateway drug. Never met a hard drug addict who hadnt started by drinking water prior to hard drug use.
GHB and rufies are used recreationally, not just for date rape.
The purpose of drug education programs in schools is to scare kids, not to genuinely educate kids so they can make informed decisions in their own lives. They also can’t cover everything because the education system is fucked and drugs would require a semester to teach to an appropriate degree and serve harm reduction. They also need to not tell kids enough because it could backfire and make drugs seem interesting to try. Try making DMT not sound awesome.
The whole topic of drugs could easily be covered in 30 minutes. The only thing people under 18 need to know is this:
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There are a large variety of different recreational drugs, each of which make you feel a different way, and which come with their own set of different risks and benefits
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At some point when you’re older it may be reasonable for you to try some particular drugs, but there are some drugs which are never safe for anyone at any age
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No drugs are safe for you to do yet. Your brain is still in a developing phase, and drugs that might be safe for you to do later will be very harmful to you at this age. Even though taking a drug might make you feel good in the very short term moment, it very likely could make your growing brain become depressed as soon as you come down from the drug, and this can become intense sadness that you feel for the rest of your life.
So for now just know that drugs is a complex topic that you can learn more about later when you’re older, but for now the details don’t matter because all drugs will be harmful to you right now while your brain is still growing
Or how about this:
The body is a super complex chemical eco-system. Messing with it is understandably super difficult, if you do not want to cause damage. All drugs have side effects. Known or otherwise. Using drugs for any reason is like throwing a funnily shaped wrench in to a factory you do not fully understand. It always causes problems. In medical science we try to figure out what type of wrench causes the least destruction while providing some benefit. We then weigh the benefits against the downsides. Leave these decisions to someone that has dedicated their life to this science. Let them make educated guesses for you. Instead of you just guessing. Generally, don’t use any drug unless you have to. Stop as soon as is recommended by your doctor. Assume that any drug you use, will have a permanent, accumulative detrimental effect on the body. Just to be safe.
It’s kind of like in the 1800s they believed that human beings could never generate enough pollutants to actually affect the Earth. There are intelligent opinions statements saying that the Earth was simply too large for anything a mere handful of 100 million humans could do to leave any lasting impact on.
Of course, they had no idea that we would swell to 8 billion humans or that the industrial revolution would take off quite so well as it did, but even today there are many people who believe that nothing that they individually do can leave any type of lasting ecological impact, positive or negative.
And because of that you have bum fuck HVAC technicians venting refrigerants into the atmosphere willy-nilly and assholes driving down the street throwing lit cigarette butts out in the middle of a drought and people just dumping their trash wherever they find an opportunity to dump it.
I said all of that to say that it’s probably likely that even minor usage of drugs cause effects that are at best difficult to quantify. I don’t think getting high one time is going to be the differentiation between a homeless bum and a Nobel Peace prize winner, but it might be the difference between someone who works a career and earns at their best $250,000 a year and someone who works a career and earns at their best $80,000 a year.
2.1 before you do try something, find out how to test for contaminants/counterfeits. You don’t want to do battery acid
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From what I hear the best way to make dmt sound not awesome is to describe the taste
The “gateway” drug thing was taught to me through DARE in the 90s. But has been confirmed propoganda for decades. Calling Cannabis (marijuana is not the proper name) a “gateway” drug is like saying water or air are “gateway” drugs. Sure, a crack head has probably smoked weed, but that isn’t what got them into crack.
I would guess that these materials are, either, very old or they categorize cannabis differently because it is so common. It doesn’t help that it is illegal in half the country and legal in the other half. So any state with cannabis not, at least, decriminalized will still have the talking points for the 1930s.
I’m begging everyone to watch the intro script of Reefer Madness, its honestly comedy gold how horribly its aged
Thankfully, she knows from her father, who uses cannabis medicinally, that it is not a “gateway drug.” Especially since the pain I am using it to treat now was one which a doctor originally tried and failed to treat by throwing multiple opioids at it and I’m not doing fentanyl today despite that. Two days of withdrawal was a bitch though.
Are you sure you’re taking enough?
Taking enough what, weed or opioids?
I’m glad to hear you are off the opioid train. Have lost family members to it and my father is currently been on them for years. I tried to get him on the THC train, he even has a medical card, but he claims to not like the effects. I live in a recently legal state so I’m waiting until I can show him a store with a wide variety to try. I know there is some strain that will help with his pain and suffering without the effects he didn’t like.
I’m luckier than others in that I hate the effects of opioids, so unless it is actually doing some pain killing (fentanyl did wonders when I was in the ER with kidney stones), I just wouldn’t want it in my system.
But I also know that there are plenty of people it does work for who use it because they are legitimately in pain and either were hooked on them by a doctor and can’t get off or just can’t afford an alternative other than to score something illegally to solve their pain issues due to our capitalist healthcare system.
I realize you have to simplify things for kids sometimes, but this is not the way to do it.
Seriously. How undereducated is the general population to still be willfully ignorant that “marijuana” is literally BS Spanish “Mary Jane” and not what anyone prior to the utter failure that still is the “War on Drugs” has ever called any part of the plant? FFS. 🤷🏼♂️
I remember my old boss asking me what the effects of cannabis were. I was like “which cannabis? Indica, sativa, high CBD, high thc, etc” Cannabis is like wine, but different strains have different effects. There are stains that I use at night that leave me happy and couch bound, and there are strains I use on a weekend morning that make me clean my entire house
Being able to pick your strains sounds nice
They put pcp alongside shrooms and LSD. That’s insabe.
Yep that certainly is exactly the bullshit I was taught in the Midwest.
I wish schools were able to use the categories of “do your research” “probably a bad idea” and “definitely a bad idea”. There are drugs kids need to be warned about and by being honest about marijuana and lsd you build credibility when you tell them to never try opiates and that poppers may not ruin your life, but like there’s never a situation where they’re a good idea.
We also need to be honest about how we got into our opioid epidemic and how most heroin addicts got hooked after getting prescribed.
Kids are stupid but they aren’t stupid how us adults think they are. When we lie to them they remember to discount everything we say, even to not smoke cigarettes.
Well said. I made sure I told her all about the opioid epidemic and she already understands how shitty our healthcare system is.
Shit! I totally forgot that weed is a gateway drug.
Quick someone get me some black tar heroin!
Here’s a great lesson for your daughter: don’t believe allg the shit they tell her at school.
It’s propaganda to support the war on us and the legal slavery of 1% of the whole population. It’s not education
This reads like an ai response. The first part is reasonably accurate, much more then my own classes thats didnt differentiate at all.
The continued part is a gptchat tell I think someone continued with “write another section on weed and club drugs like x y”
Its another tell that this section 2 is alot more unhinged then the first.
It is biaded, probably the prompted “for a school to discourage” but its far from the worst ive seen and heard
Impaired mobility on weed? Then why am I setting top rank scores in project muse while high as fuck?
And they’re making a fucking mess of the pharmacological and social definitions of “drug”. It’s the propaganda version of that “ackshyually tomato is a fruit, not a vegetable” brain-rotting idiocy.
Depressant, stimulant, those refer to the pharmacological activity; it’ll include even things not socially considered as drugs, such as caffeine (stimulant) and alcohol (depressant). In this sense marijuana is not its own class, it’s THC is a depressant.
That “club drugs” category is a fucking mess in both definitions. Ketamine is an anaesthetic, thus likely a depressant; ecstasy is mostly a stimulant with weak hallucinogen properties, pharmacologically they’re nothing alike. And socially they’re closer to caffeine (as things that you ingest willingly) than to date rape drugs (things that people give you against your consent).
And even the division in social drugs depends on usage. Marijuana for example can be used for clinical or recreative reasons; abuse is of course bad, but frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if most marijuana smokers had better lungs than I do (I don’t smoke weed but I smoke tobacco - nicotine is a depressant BTW). Same deal with the date rape drugs, alcohol could be used as one.
Aaaaah, sorry for the rant. What I want to convey is that yeah, I get why this infuriates you. It infuriated me too.
I could have sworn nicotine was technically a stimulant because it has vasoconstrictive properties.
And I don’t know anyone who has ever put off going to sleep in order to take more depressants.
Nicotine is absolutely classified as a stimulant.
This isn’t the first time I’ve heard a user misclassify it—I imagine it has something to do with smoking or dipping mitigating withdrawal (thus relaxing) more than the drug’s actual effects.
I fucked it up - thanks for pointing it out, fixed it. (I switched them because smoking a cig relaxes me quite a bit.)
Not only can alcohol be used as a date rape drug, it’s the most common one. It’s safer for the assailant to give you a stronger drink than you think you’re getting than to give you something like roofies. Additionally bartenders will gladly do it as it’s not uncommon for someone to want a double.
You sound really judgey about forget-me-nows
