Ooooh… now all of a sudden liberal media cares about protestors in Iran again - anything to distract from the thousands of civilians they’ve helped murder somewhere else over there in the middle-east…
Her hair was two colors so she deserved it. /s
It is so incredibly sad reading what her last moments were like. This poor young woman.
She was a very brave teen. Fuck the Iranian regime.
Feral animals without any sense of decency. Broken minds whose mothers either failed them or they failed their mothers.
Given how the US is treating protesters on university campuses this month, I’d say we’re not far behind.
This is what a lot of fascist politicians aspire to be, though they’d never say it out loud. After all, they only want to do this to the “bad” people.
Sorry for making this US-centric, this is a shame for Iran and their society, both of which have great potential if they could get out from under the boot.
Sorry for making this US-centric, this is a shame for Iran and their society, both of which have great potential if they could get out from under the boot.
As an Iranian, please do make this about the US. We have seen a lot of parallels with what is wrong with iran vs what is wrong in US.
It’s what makes the whole death to America chant so ironic.
From my eyes, there is no iran vs us or all that. This is a human problem when people take power and suppress their citizens using fear tactics. We all should be on team democracy and personal freedoms.
Ok sure but you have to understand that things happening in America are much worse because they actually matter
Ok sure but you have to understand that things happening in America are much worse because they actually matter
250 year old country tells 6,000 year old country of it’s irrelevance in the scope of history.
It’s nice when a mean post is also stupid, so you meet a jerk… then immediately feel bad for them… because we feel bad for just a moment, “Aw that was mean,” then we move on. The person who wrote that has to keep living as a person who writes stupid things such as this. It can’t be a pleasant existence.
Good luck with life my angry dude.
It was sarcasm, geez. The other commenter was right to criticize you for trying to make something that happened elsewhere into America Bad.
“Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?"
-Donald Trump, regarding those protesting the death of George Floyd
https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/mark-esper-book-trump-protesters
Don’t forget that he had to be told that being shit in the legs is a deadly injury because of the major arteries in the legs.
The previous president of the united states thinks action movies are real.
Side note.
One of my favourite things movies and TV shows can do is show an injury that would be minor on an action movie, then proceed to explain that no, it’s actually possible to fully die from it.
Archer is a good example:
“You were knocked out, which btw is suuuper bad for you”
I expect nothing less from a man who recommended we nuke hurricanes.
until a 16 year old girl is found dead on the side of the street after being arrested… STFU
Would you also take a 16 year old killed during the arrest? How about in custody? Would you also accept sexual assault or rape while in custody?
I feel like where the body ended up is not the major issue here.
You don’t wait for hell before you start fighting.
Given the state of US policing, that’s probably a weekly occurrence.
… Is it? Are protesters of modesty laws regularly arrested raped and killed without consequences in America?
Would you prefer to live in Iran right now?
Look, America is pretty shitty, but if your statement is America = Iran then you clearly know fuck all about Iran. Don’t minimize this woman’s death and the conditions that spurred her to protest.
“Police killed over 1.3k people in 2023 in America”
“police officers in the US were charged with forcible rape 405 times between 2005 and 2013. That’s an average of 45 a year. Forcible fondling was more common, with 636 instances.”
Cops in America are going around murdering and raping without consequences.
There are plentiful videos from the United States of exactly what you describe. Have you missed them?
But I’d like to take a step back and ask, is that the threshold that you wish a society to cross before discussion begins? Interesting choice, I honestly didn’t expect that perspective.
In all honesty: I have missed these numerous videos. Can you source any of them?
Please note that I am plenty well aware of how often police abuse prisoners or use their powers of arrest to coerce people. I just doubt that there are plentiful videos that show police officers arresting, raping, and killing 16 year old girls.
Hyperbole undermines causes. As the other poster right under you alluded to, though, there is sufficient evidence of other police misconduct that is nearly as egregious.
These things that really happened should be the focus of conversation, I think, if we absolutely must shoehorn discussion of the USA into every conversation about how authority figures abuse their position worldwide.
Edit: “one” to “old”
So I don’t frequent the places that collect those vids anymore, because it messes with my mental health when I watch them too regularly, but there were subreddits dedicated to those types of vids on reddit. Not sure if those communities have migrated over here yet. I forget the name of them, but their whole aim was to document police brutality, catching a shocking amount of deaths on camera.
I’ll edit this comment if I do manage to find them, or someone else can reply to this comment chain if they happen to know a good source. But I assure you they are out there, I just really do not like watching them. I saw enough and said, “Shit this has to change,” and saw no reason to visit those places anymore.
Seeing how the police escalated absolutely everything to violence over and over and over is one of the things that radicalized my view of cops from “protectors” to oppressors.
I put “protectors” in quotes because I was a skateboarder growing up and for whatever reason, cops love to bully skateboarders, so they were always shitheads to me and my friends. Before this movement against the police started, I had already seen how they treat people who can’t fight back.
Listen, I respect you enough to believe that you saw some fucked up things. Seeing those kinds of things can really do a number on your head and memory, and it’s easy to conflate memories of trauma. Especially when it’s consumed as it seem like you have, via (social) media. And I do not at all disagree with your assertion that US policing needs fundamental change (approaching complete tear down, ideally).
However I, too, have been around on the internet for quite a while, and frequented bad parts of it. I didn’t see what you describe. I have a professional interest in watching such events, and I have worked very closely with police for quite a long time (albeit in just a few municipalities in a single US state).
Your “trust me” just doesn’t cut it, so my point stands: unless you have specific proof or ability to refer to evidence, don’t be hyperbolic. You simply can’t compare US policing to Iran, it’s apples and oranges of terrible, awful, horrifying shit.
And I have also met and studied with folks who have fled from Iran. I have had conversations with them and heard first hand stories. Please, use caution when you compare such dramatically different settings and circumstances of brutality. It really serves to undercut the complexity and uniqueness of these circumstances. Since different forms of resistance are necessary to combat them, it does nobody any good to try and compare them.
Finally, please don’t seek out things you don’t want to seek out for the sake of “winning” an internet argument with somebody who genuinely agrees with the spirit of your statements. It’s not worth it, I think.
Ah, I guess we were approaching this from different perspectives. I had never considered the winning thing, I just assumed you were curious.
I like that about Lemmy so far, most people I have encountered so far act in good faith and are fairly polite. Def a contrast to Reddit, lol.
Anyway if you do go down the police brutality rabbit hole, it gets bad fast. Let’s not do that, I agree, but there is a list of unarmed black people killed by police on Wikipedia organized by year. So that is one place to get some info without anyone being traumatized, haha.
Luckily now that folks realize that it’s happening and a common reaction is, “What, no way that is true,” people are taking great efforts to document them all now.
Anyway, if you search “police brutality”, “acab”, “reddit”, general stuff like that you should a few subreddits of that nature should you become curious.
