But Gym Jordan can ignore a congressional subpoena. Chyea I’m not giving my thumbprint.
They will take it from you. Forced.
Don’t use fingerprint to unlock phone. They can force your fingerprint, but they can’t force your password … So just use a password. Problem solved
Edit: wow pulptastic shared this gem: Power+volume up > lockdown
My original comment: Restart your phone if they ask for it. Then it will need a passcode and can’t be unlocked by a fingerprint
They can beat the shit out of you - along with the password
So when comes the ruling that they can just straight up execute you without having to do the hustle of a fake investigation on themselves?
Justice has a price. That price is freedom
Yikes. imagine actually believing something like that
Joke’s on them. The fingerprint scanner on my Pixel 7 is so shit it doesn’t work even when I want it to.
Pixel 7 Power+volume up, lock down
On iOS hold power and volume up until SOS/power off options appear. TouchID/FaceID is now disabled until the next time you input the code.
Also you’re experiencing some amnesia due to the stress of interacting with a cop.
5 taps on the lock button works too
What an awful day.
ACAB
All courts are bastards?
All Canadians are Bipedal
Well that’s ablist. :P
This reminded me, sorta unrelated but the ff14 community is incredibly ableist when it comes to gameplay. Don’t you dare mention combat macros cause they’ll all start screeching at you. Never mind that you have arthritis and carpal tunnel and just want to play without much pain from spamming.
Even the wow community wasn’t bad at this, plenty of sites and people willing to help, iirc they even helped a quadriplegic play wow.
The only time I ever saw mention of macros being an issue I ever saw was from super sweaty guilds, where every ounce of performance was needed. During any sane, reasonable play session, I’ve never seen anyone mention them.
I’ve encountered it in the wild a bit. Most of the time it’s regular people parroting the sweatys but it’s still ableist. Even my lovely but terrible gamer girlfriend told me I shouldn’t use combat macros and then I lovingly told her she sucks and that some macros could help her. She often forgets to use ogcd spells and I weaved a couple in her regular filler spell. Her dummy damage actually went up. I’m all for doing stuff that help people regardless of the reason.
I don’t even think anyone would ever notice in a regular play session. Which makes it weirder they get all aggro about it online.
I may have just stopped too early to have gotten it in game. I only got to… The one after heavensward lol. But yeah, anyone who wants to complain about it, they can pound sand lol
I cannot hear the word bipedal without thinking of Metal Gear lol. Idk why, it’s not like they’re the only giant bipedal robots in fiction
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america is a joke. the 4th amendment is basically worthless. it’s time to rise up
I was thinking about face ID the other day. What if you trained it while making a funny face? So then you would have to make that face to unlock the phone and how could someone compel you to do so? It’s sort of a 2-factor authentication in a way.
That’s a fair point. Not sure if that’s been litigated yet.
The only reason that a cop can’t compel you to give up a pin or a passcode is because that is information you have in your brain, and they can only compel actions, not information.
They could probably compel you to make a face, but they couldn’t compel you to unlock the phone with your face without knowing what that specific face is, and they can’t make you provide them with the information on that specific face either.
Right, so your choice of facial expression would, in effect, act like a passcode. Good luck breaking into Jim Carrey’s phone!
I got the idea initially when I noticed I couldn’t unlock the phone while laughing. Then I got annoyed and I guess angry face didn’t work either.
I wonder now what would be the minimum facial contortion you would need to make a distinct ID? It could be something as subtle as curling your lip or raising a cheek muscle slightly? I might have to experiment with this a bit…
Fuck America
Don’t use biometrics.
Period.
Full stop.
Biometrics are fine, just use lockdown of you get pulled over or are going throgh TSA.
You can still activate the camera/camcoder by double tapping power on a Pixel even in lockdown.
I love the confidence that a US cop or CBP agent are going to allow you to lock your phone while they’re asking you to hand it to them.
Biometrics is not security. Biometrics is ease of access. It’s literally designed to make your phone easier to access for you and by extension for a low skilled strong arm attacker or jack booted neo-fascist police state cop or border agent, a high skilled hacker, or a nation state actor. If your intention is to make your device easy to access, congratulations, biometrics is the right choice.
I love the confidence that a US cop or CBP agent are going to allow you to lock your phone while they’re asking you to hand it to them.
They’re not ninjas dropping out of trees at random moments demanding your phone.
What is the scenario that you’re picturing here where the person with the phone had literally no warning and no time to activate the lockdown? Turning your phone off takes like 5 seconds.
Is it technically less secure? Yes.
Is there any reason for the vast majority of people to assume they will ever be in an arrest situation where they won’t have adequate time to turn off their phone? No.
I’m all for being paranoid and cautious but this idea that convenience must always bow to absolute security is an absolute pox on the tech industry. There is such a thing a reasonable risk. You’re engaging in that yourself for even owning a mobile device that some jack booted neofacist could pluck out of your hands.
“Hand me your phone, please.”
It’s not that hard. See the lights on behind you, pull over and lock your phone.
low skilled strong arm attacker or jack booted neo-fascist police state cop or border agent,
Bless your heart. Those bad people will just beat the password out of you without sweating.
Did you read the article? US police and CBP can point your phone at your face or force your finger onto the scanner to unlock your device against your will.
Did you read the quoted part of my comment?
Just restarting also works
I’ve always wondered why phones don’t have a locked dowm “guest mode” that’s accessible by typing in a non admin password/pin.
Some do. You can also just restart a phone real quick and it’ll demand your passcode not biometrics.
The passcode itself isn’t circumvented by this, after all.
But locking/resetting your phone should be an urgent thing, if you suspect the police will take it. Apple also does this if you hit the power button 5 times fast.
Samsung phones have a lockdown mode you can get to when you keep the power button pressed (like when you want to shut down). The legal situation is the same here in Germany - fingerprint unlock can be forced, regular pin or other measures not.
FaceID can also be forced, they aren’t allowed to force you to give up anything you “know” as in pin/password/pattern etc.
What happened to being secure in our documents and personal affects?
Is the constitution a joke to you?
I’m this case, the defendant was on parole, so there was already a court order allowing the search of his devices.
US “constitution” sounds honestly like a joke to me
Payne conceded that “the use of biometrics to open an electronic device is akin to providing a physical key to a safe” but argued it is still a testimonial act because it “simultaneously confirm[s] ownership and authentication of its contents,” the court said. “However, Payne was never compelled to acknowledge the existence of any incriminating information. He merely had to provide access to a source of potential information.”
If you can be compelled to hand over a key to a safe, I can see how that translates to putting your thumb on the scanner.
The constitution is only used to protect property rights of the owners and the power of managers. The working class is not often afforded it’s protections.
Sure but what about a dick print? Or even better, ball print?
Pro-tip: get a folding phone and use biometrics happily. If the cops come for you. Snap it in half. /S
Pro tip: every phone is a folding phone if you try hard enough.
