I think climate activists would just be better off doing what everyone else does - lobbying. Identify politicians who represent areas who would benefit from pollution controls, or green investment or whatever and push the message. Performative acts in front of cameras might feel good but it’s a blunt tool to change policy. Some protestors such as “just stop oil” campaigners are so stupid that they actually help the causes they supposedly oppose.
Yeah but here’s the problem
They don’t own massive fossil fuel companies that make them trillions of dollars
No offense. Just a genuine question. Where do activists like Greta get income or the money to travel or just for day to day living? Especially considering she has been doing this since a young age.
Pls don’t take my comment as in a bad light. I’m the same age as her so I always wondered. The answer could be NGO’s collecting donations but I’m not sure.
There’s a few large orgs like Extinction Rebellion that are really organised. Greta probably takes the train which isn’t that expensive in Europe and then couch surfs because that’s what being a hippie is all about
Regardless of your opinions about her specifically, it’s a simple fact that positive societal change doesn’t happen by asking nicely. Look at every civil rights movement ever. Nothing got done until people were inconvenienced and companies lost money.
No change doesn’t happen by asking nicely, but I think some joined up thinking by these groups would get them further than performative protesting and getting arrested. If you want change then you lobby politicians on the positive benefits of change, and businesses on the potential profits to be had from implementing it.
Why do you assume the two are exclusive?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Greta Thunberg was detained by police at a demonstration in The Hague, in the Netherlands.
The climate activist was put in a bus by local police along with other protesters who tried to block a major highway into the city on Saturday.
Thunberg had joined a protest by hundreds of activists and was detained when she joined a group of about 100 people who tried to block the A12 highway.
Before she was detained, Thunberg said: “We are in a planetary emergency and we are not going to stand by and let people lose their lives and livelihood and be forced to become climate refugees when we can do something.”
The road has been blocked for several hours dozens of times in recent months by activists demanding an end to all subsidies for the use of fossil fuels.
Thunberg was seen flashing a victory sign as she sat in the bus used by police to take detained demonstrators from the scene.The Extinction Rebellion campaign group said before the demonstration that the activists would block a main highway into The Hague, but a heavy police presence, including officers on horseback, initially prevented the activists from getting on to the road.A small group of people managed to sit down on another road and were detained after ignoring police orders to leave.Extinction Rebellion activists have blocked the highway that runs past the temporary home of the Dutch parliament more than 30 times to protest against subsidies.The demonstrators waved flags and chanted: “We are unstoppable, another world is possible.”One held a banner reading: “This is a dead end street.”In February, Thunberg, 21, was acquitted by a court in London of refusing to follow a police order to leave a protest blocking the entrance to an oil and gas industry conference last year.Her activism has inspired a global youth movement demanding stronger efforts to fight the climate crisis since she began staging weekly protests outside the Swedish parliament in 2018.She has repeatedly been fined in Sweden and the UK for civil disobedience in connection with protests.
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Good. This girl does more harm to the cause than help. We need less of her and more serious people to change minds.
Luckily you seem to be alone at least in our sweet Lemmy bubble here
We need more like her who take the threat as a threat and act like it’s a threat.
Being “serious” or calm about it is not working, and catastrophically so.
She just babbles and has no solution to the problem. She’s addicted to the media attention.
As voters we need to push politicians to make changes and in America that is through taxation and not bans.
Biden has pushed stupid legislation that won’t accomplish anything.
You want to reduce ice cars? Increase gasoline taxes and remove subsidies. Gas would double in price with would reduce the miles people drive and the size of their cars.
The problem is it’s a global problem and everyone needs to pitch it.
Hmm… seems like you should thank her.
Because she participated in that protest, she got arrested, a news source wrote about it, and you got to bring up good points about how we need to take more action.
Yeah she
babblesspeaks about the issues, but since she’s not (yet?) an elected official, what else would you have her do?Personally I’d like to see her go away. She does nothing to help in my opinion and gives credit it’s a crazy conspiracy. She just comes off as an idiot.
The way you make change is vote for people that want to make real changes. Not stupid crap like carbon credits. People that have real ideas.
You talk to your friends about it. I’ve got several people to switch to teslas and solar power. It requires logic and facts.
Just babbling like an idiot turns people off and they don’t think a thing but made up conspiracy.
Ah yes, the person who has rallied up more people (current and future voters) globally around the climate issue than anyone else as of late has done nothing to help. I think what you mean is that she annoys you.
Never argue with an idiot. They’ll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
She damages the vision.
I don’t know anyone she’s rallied. She’s universally made fun of this country.
What has changed since she’s been ranting? Nothing. She wants the focus on her and not the issue
Ah, Neuromancer doesn’t know anyone she’s rallied. My bad, case closed then! lmao
You’re still advocating individual car ownership as a sustainable future…buses, trams, trolleys, LRT, trains. 6000lbs (2200kilos) just to get a few groceries is over kill.
Maybe you don’t live in America but for the foreseeable future, that is the solution. The first step is a reduction in using fossil fuels. Public transportation would take decades to build out to a useable level in America.
Classic Lemmy mass downvoting everything that does not sit with their ideology without ever looking at the actual situation.
You are absolutely correct in that it would take at least a decade if not longer to build reliable public transit in all of America, ESPECIALLY in the suburbs to the point where you wouldn’t need a car. And to keep it real with you, I don’t see it happening for even another century. And that’s just one of the issues that’s leading to climate change. Much bigger problems like the top 1% owning 1000 cars and 20 private jets that nobody ever talks about. Always blame the average citizen rather than the ruling class, always tell the average citizen to be better than telling the ruling class to be better. Yea no major change will happen for at least another century. I know I will get downvoted cause this is Lemmy where people downvote anytuing that doesn’t sit with their idealistic non realistic opinions (that I tend to agree with but they are just not realistic for many reasons) but I couldn’t care less
Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.
A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
Unfortunately I want to say public transit sucks everywhere in America besides maybe NYC and some of the other densely built East Coast cities. I commute throughout Los Angeles (second biggest city in the US by population) and use the public transit there sometimes because I don’t have a choice (check my last post if you don’t believe me) and it feels like you are being punished for taking public transit. I don’t want to say that it is filled with homeless and is unsafe because I have personally never had that bad of an experience (although that is an issue that does need to be addressed if everyone especially younger women were to ride public transit), but the most frustrating part about riding public transit here is the abysmal planning of the layout. Every single public transit (specifically subway) map in the US goes through the downtown of the city with no other way around it. If you know anything abouy Los Angeles neighborhoods, you would know that there is no way to get from Westwood or Santa Monica to Hollywood without going through downtown, no way to go from Long Beach to Inglewood without going through downtown, and this leads to incredibly inefficient and time consuming transportation that just is not feasible for someone who doesn’t have time to spend 2 hours commuting back n forth each way everyday times a week. A ride that would be 30 minutes with car can take well over an hour with public transit here. So I’m not sure where the massive hate train towards cars on Lemmy comes from (maybe most are from Europe where public transit is actually good) but even in a majority of the big cities in the US it is practically unusable unless you have unlimited time to spare.
Edit: to continue on, the abysmal planning of these public transit systems in America are to be blamed on the lawmakers and the ruling class of the city, county, and also business owners who lobby public transit routes through their buildings, not the average citizen who bought a Tesla instead of using the shit public transit system.
Edit again: y’all are hilarious, downvoting me for literally describing the situation (I never even said anything of opinion) buncha butthurt degenerate tankies just mass downvoting everything
“It can’t be done instantly overnight so why even bother trying to do it slowly?”
🙄
I would like to see more public options but at this time, that isn’t going to help much. California has been trying to build high speed rail since I was a kid. Still hasn’t done shit. I think hybrids are the gap technology until we can get electric cars more affordable. The 1% will always act like it’s everyone else and even if we increased fuel taxes. It won’t phase them.
Genuinely curious: what does a “serious person” do to change minds here?
Work with legislatures or even boycott a business. You push for actual change that is reasonable and meaningful. Instead of trying to push electric down everyone’s throats, push hybrids. Push plug in hybrids. We have the ability to do that now.
Well, those are two very different things. One is essentially for politicians and basically amounts to “just get Congress to do better” (a whole lot easier said than done) and one is an act that essentially has to be championed by a person or organization and then implemented by a masse of people. Greta has called for boycotts before, so under this definition she’s good under your boat.
I’ve read other comments of yours, and many of them are reasonable (more reasonable than the average user at least) and not worthy of downvotes. But your solutions seem to be missing a few steps between “be where we are now” and “just get everyone to drive a hybrid”.
Greta calling for a boycott, just would make people buy the product.
Bud light recently was boycotted and look how effective that was.
I’m not missing a step, you increase fuel taxes, end subsidies, end fracking and make hybrids tax advantageous.
The market will sort itself out very quickly.
Okay, well you just added several steps right there, and you’re still missing some.
Who increases fuel taxes and subsidies? How do we as a civilization get that done?
Bad. This girl does more good to the cause than hurt. We need more of her and less silly people to change minds.
Her being portrayed by the media or the memes as the “whiny girl seeking attention” is also worrying as well. It really distracts from the real issue and diminishes her work as well.
Honestly I think she distracts from the real issue. Frankly, I can’t think of a worse person to motivate people to take action.
