She just babbles and has no solution to the problem. She’s addicted to the media attention.
As voters we need to push politicians to make changes and in America that is through taxation and not bans.
Biden has pushed stupid legislation that won’t accomplish anything.
You want to reduce ice cars? Increase gasoline taxes and remove subsidies. Gas would double in price with would reduce the miles people drive and the size of their cars.
The problem is it’s a global problem and everyone needs to pitch it.
You’re still advocating individual car ownership as a sustainable future…buses, trams, trolleys, LRT, trains. 6000lbs (2200kilos) just to get a few groceries is over kill.
Maybe you don’t live in America but for the foreseeable future, that is the solution. The first step is a reduction in using fossil fuels. Public transportation would take decades to build out to a useable level in America.
Classic Lemmy mass downvoting everything that does not sit with their ideology without ever looking at the actual situation.
You are absolutely correct in that it would take at least a decade if not longer to build reliable public transit in all of America, ESPECIALLY in the suburbs to the point where you wouldn’t need a car. And to keep it real with you, I don’t see it happening for even another century. And that’s just one of the issues that’s leading to climate change. Much bigger problems like the top 1% owning 1000 cars and 20 private jets that nobody ever talks about. Always blame the average citizen rather than the ruling class, always tell the average citizen to be better than telling the ruling class to be better. Yea no major change will happen for at least another century. I know I will get downvoted cause this is Lemmy where people downvote anytuing that doesn’t sit with their idealistic non realistic opinions (that I tend to agree with but they are just not realistic for many reasons) but I couldn’t care less
Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.
A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
Unfortunately I want to say public transit sucks everywhere in America besides maybe NYC and some of the other densely built East Coast cities. I commute throughout Los Angeles (second biggest city in the US by population) and use the public transit there sometimes because I don’t have a choice (check my last post if you don’t believe me) and it feels like you are being punished for taking public transit. I don’t want to say that it is filled with homeless and is unsafe because I have personally never had that bad of an experience (although that is an issue that does need to be addressed if everyone especially younger women were to ride public transit), but the most frustrating part about riding public transit here is the abysmal planning of the layout. Every single public transit (specifically subway) map in the US goes through the downtown of the city with no other way around it. If you know anything abouy Los Angeles neighborhoods, you would know that there is no way to get from Westwood or Santa Monica to Hollywood without going through downtown, no way to go from Long Beach to Inglewood without going through downtown, and this leads to incredibly inefficient and time consuming transportation that just is not feasible for someone who doesn’t have time to spend 2 hours commuting back n forth each way everyday times a week. A ride that would be 30 minutes with car can take well over an hour with public transit here. So I’m not sure where the massive hate train towards cars on Lemmy comes from (maybe most are from Europe where public transit is actually good) but even in a majority of the big cities in the US it is practically unusable unless you have unlimited time to spare.
Edit: to continue on, the abysmal planning of these public transit systems in America are to be blamed on the lawmakers and the ruling class of the city, county, and also business owners who lobby public transit routes through their buildings, not the average citizen who bought a Tesla instead of using the shit public transit system.
Edit again: y’all are hilarious, downvoting me for literally describing the situation (I never even said anything of opinion) buncha butthurt degenerate tankies just mass downvoting everything
I would like to see more public options but at this time, that isn’t going to help much. California has been trying to build high speed rail since I was a kid. Still hasn’t done shit.
I think hybrids are the gap technology until we can get electric cars more affordable.
The 1% will always act like it’s everyone else and even if we increased fuel taxes. It won’t phase them.
Because she participated in that protest, she got arrested, a news source wrote about it, and you got to bring up good points about how we need to take more action.
Yeah she babbles speaks about the issues, but since she’s not (yet?) an elected official, what else would you have her do?
Personally I’d like to see her go away. She does nothing to help in my opinion and gives credit it’s a crazy conspiracy. She just comes off as an idiot.
The way you make change is vote for people that want to make real changes. Not stupid crap like carbon credits. People that have real ideas.
You talk to your friends about it. I’ve got several people to switch to teslas and solar power. It requires logic and facts.
Just babbling like an idiot turns people off and they don’t think a thing but made up conspiracy.
Ah yes, the person who has rallied up more people (current and future voters) globally around the climate issue than anyone else as of late has done nothing to help. I think what you mean is that she annoys you.
Work with legislatures or even boycott a business. You push for actual change that is reasonable and meaningful.
Instead of trying to push electric down everyone’s throats, push hybrids. Push plug in hybrids. We have the ability to do that now.
Well, those are two very different things. One is essentially for politicians and basically amounts to “just get Congress to do better” (a whole lot easier said than done) and one is an act that essentially has to be championed by a person or organization and then implemented by a masse of people. Greta has called for boycotts before, so under this definition she’s good under your boat.
I’ve read other comments of yours, and many of them are reasonable (more reasonable than the average user at least) and not worthy of downvotes. But your solutions seem to be missing a few steps between “be where we are now” and “just get everyone to drive a hybrid”.
Good. This girl does more harm to the cause than help. We need less of her and more serious people to change minds.
We need more like her who take the threat as a threat and act like it’s a threat.
Being “serious” or calm about it is not working, and catastrophically so.
She just babbles and has no solution to the problem. She’s addicted to the media attention.
As voters we need to push politicians to make changes and in America that is through taxation and not bans.
Biden has pushed stupid legislation that won’t accomplish anything.
You want to reduce ice cars? Increase gasoline taxes and remove subsidies. Gas would double in price with would reduce the miles people drive and the size of their cars.
The problem is it’s a global problem and everyone needs to pitch it.
You’re still advocating individual car ownership as a sustainable future…buses, trams, trolleys, LRT, trains. 6000lbs (2200kilos) just to get a few groceries is over kill.
Maybe you don’t live in America but for the foreseeable future, that is the solution. The first step is a reduction in using fossil fuels. Public transportation would take decades to build out to a useable level in America.
Classic Lemmy mass downvoting everything that does not sit with their ideology without ever looking at the actual situation.
You are absolutely correct in that it would take at least a decade if not longer to build reliable public transit in all of America, ESPECIALLY in the suburbs to the point where you wouldn’t need a car. And to keep it real with you, I don’t see it happening for even another century. And that’s just one of the issues that’s leading to climate change. Much bigger problems like the top 1% owning 1000 cars and 20 private jets that nobody ever talks about. Always blame the average citizen rather than the ruling class, always tell the average citizen to be better than telling the ruling class to be better. Yea no major change will happen for at least another century. I know I will get downvoted cause this is Lemmy where people downvote anytuing that doesn’t sit with their idealistic non realistic opinions (that I tend to agree with but they are just not realistic for many reasons) but I couldn’t care less
Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.
A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
Unfortunately I want to say public transit sucks everywhere in America besides maybe NYC and some of the other densely built East Coast cities. I commute throughout Los Angeles (second biggest city in the US by population) and use the public transit there sometimes because I don’t have a choice (check my last post if you don’t believe me) and it feels like you are being punished for taking public transit. I don’t want to say that it is filled with homeless and is unsafe because I have personally never had that bad of an experience (although that is an issue that does need to be addressed if everyone especially younger women were to ride public transit), but the most frustrating part about riding public transit here is the abysmal planning of the layout. Every single public transit (specifically subway) map in the US goes through the downtown of the city with no other way around it. If you know anything abouy Los Angeles neighborhoods, you would know that there is no way to get from Westwood or Santa Monica to Hollywood without going through downtown, no way to go from Long Beach to Inglewood without going through downtown, and this leads to incredibly inefficient and time consuming transportation that just is not feasible for someone who doesn’t have time to spend 2 hours commuting back n forth each way everyday times a week. A ride that would be 30 minutes with car can take well over an hour with public transit here. So I’m not sure where the massive hate train towards cars on Lemmy comes from (maybe most are from Europe where public transit is actually good) but even in a majority of the big cities in the US it is practically unusable unless you have unlimited time to spare.
Edit: to continue on, the abysmal planning of these public transit systems in America are to be blamed on the lawmakers and the ruling class of the city, county, and also business owners who lobby public transit routes through their buildings, not the average citizen who bought a Tesla instead of using the shit public transit system.
Edit again: y’all are hilarious, downvoting me for literally describing the situation (I never even said anything of opinion) buncha butthurt degenerate tankies just mass downvoting everything
“It can’t be done instantly overnight so why even bother trying to do it slowly?”
🙄
Why do people such as yourself read such a long comment, only to try to squeeze something out to disagree with?
I never said that. I never said anything of the sort. What drives you to do such a thing?
I would like to see more public options but at this time, that isn’t going to help much. California has been trying to build high speed rail since I was a kid. Still hasn’t done shit. I think hybrids are the gap technology until we can get electric cars more affordable. The 1% will always act like it’s everyone else and even if we increased fuel taxes. It won’t phase them.
Hmm… seems like you should thank her.
Because she participated in that protest, she got arrested, a news source wrote about it, and you got to bring up good points about how we need to take more action.
Yeah she
babblesspeaks about the issues, but since she’s not (yet?) an elected official, what else would you have her do?Personally I’d like to see her go away. She does nothing to help in my opinion and gives credit it’s a crazy conspiracy. She just comes off as an idiot.
The way you make change is vote for people that want to make real changes. Not stupid crap like carbon credits. People that have real ideas.
You talk to your friends about it. I’ve got several people to switch to teslas and solar power. It requires logic and facts.
Just babbling like an idiot turns people off and they don’t think a thing but made up conspiracy.
Ah yes, the person who has rallied up more people (current and future voters) globally around the climate issue than anyone else as of late has done nothing to help. I think what you mean is that she annoys you.
She damages the vision.
I don’t know anyone she’s rallied. She’s universally made fun of this country.
What has changed since she’s been ranting? Nothing. She wants the focus on her and not the issue
Ah, Neuromancer doesn’t know anyone she’s rallied. My bad, case closed then! lmao
Never argue with an idiot. They’ll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Luckily you seem to be alone at least in our sweet Lemmy bubble here
Genuinely curious: what does a “serious person” do to change minds here?
Work with legislatures or even boycott a business. You push for actual change that is reasonable and meaningful. Instead of trying to push electric down everyone’s throats, push hybrids. Push plug in hybrids. We have the ability to do that now.
Well, those are two very different things. One is essentially for politicians and basically amounts to “just get Congress to do better” (a whole lot easier said than done) and one is an act that essentially has to be championed by a person or organization and then implemented by a masse of people. Greta has called for boycotts before, so under this definition she’s good under your boat.
I’ve read other comments of yours, and many of them are reasonable (more reasonable than the average user at least) and not worthy of downvotes. But your solutions seem to be missing a few steps between “be where we are now” and “just get everyone to drive a hybrid”.
Greta calling for a boycott, just would make people buy the product.
Bud light recently was boycotted and look how effective that was.
I’m not missing a step, you increase fuel taxes, end subsidies, end fracking and make hybrids tax advantageous.
The market will sort itself out very quickly.
Okay, well you just added several steps right there, and you’re still missing some.
Who increases fuel taxes and subsidies? How do we as a civilization get that done?