Fascists fundamentally support political violence as a method for “solving division”. Anyone who is not a fascist and supports such violence at this moment needs to understand that political violence is going to backfire and play into the fascist’s hands unless you can first build alternative systems of power and support outside of the government.
If you start violence without that network of support in place, you will disrupt people’s lives, and the only support structure that can help will be the current Government. The military will be the ones providing food, medicine, and shelter. If you don’t have a strategy to get regular people affected by the disruption food, water, healthcare and shelter, you’re going to make the government the hero.
If you’re not a fascist, and believe political violence is necessary, your first step isn’t violence, your first step is to take a page from The Black Panthers and starting a community breakfast program.
That analysis is true only if the base is the target of the violence. Targeting the base is a big mess. But if the targets are the prime beneficiaries of the status quo, just the 0.01%, there is no mess. But that requires discipline, research, patience. Not just anyone can pull that off.
That’s about how much of the population of the USA voted for Trump.
I mean… If you got rid of one side of a division, there’s no more division so they’re not wrong. It’s just not a cool way to solve the problem.
Yeah, turns out people cant disagree with you, if you kill them.
Violence meaning guillotines
Oh no, the country founded by 1%ers who don’t want to pat taxes, and built on I disk burial grounds, is full of crazy violent assholes?
I’m shocked!
We aren’t Russia (yet), so we must keep trying to facilitate the change we so desperately need.
Imo. That would be switching away from first past the post voting in favor of an alternative voting system like Ranked Choice.
You STILL think voting and working within the system will fix this problem?
a wise man once said the only solution more dignified than war, is communication.
That doesn’t work against a highly organized system of oppression. That wise man never got a seat of power to abdicate itself through reason or begging.
which is why it’s the first thing you do. And why war is the last thing you do.
So here we are. 40 years later.
you forgot the part where it doesnt work.
If we mean the 1%ers? Yeah violence would start solving that issue.
That one in five are violent radical fascists, and the other four are weak leftist pussies waiting to be slaughtered.
You had better fucking arm up and train.
Every one of those people imagines the violence happening to groups they don’t like, and not to them and the groups they like. Always remember, both sides thought the civil war would be over in one battle.
Yup, they also think their handguns are a match for the US military.
Someone should ask them how fighting an advanced military is working out for Hamas right now.
“Guerilla warfare is ineffective and governments have never fallen to their own people ever”. You. That’s what you sound like.
When is the last time a modern advanced country fell to a group of it’s own population?
I’ll wait…
Anything is possible, its just EXTREMELY unlikely. Just look at WWI and WWII, Resistance groups. Closest would be maybe IRA but they never got close.
And the US government has unprecedented spying powers now. The power disparity orders of magnitudes too great. But you keep spouting your “armed insurrection” nonsense to make yourself feel better.
If the US falls it’ll be to Trump or someone like him gaining power. Read up on how Hitler took over Germany. History repeats itself…
It’s easy to be smug when you have the memory of a fly i guess.
Good bye smooth brain
I mean the Afghani and Vietnamese probably have a different answer. Also Hamas is still alive.
You making any assumptions on which side the military will choose, or that it won’t have an internal rift?
Which is why the violence won’t be conducted with handguns, but with guillotines.
Anyone who believes this should be put in a thunderdome and the rest of us can pay to watch
Of that 1 in 5… How many are MAGots
Of the total surveyed 20% said “strongly agree” that violence might be needed for course correction, for Republicans specifically it was 28% and for Democrats it was 12%.
I think those numbers are low. I think people were confused. While everyone knows them as indispensable vehicles of egalitarian social progress, guillotines are technically tools of violence.
i mean, that’s one way of putting it.
The only violence I condone is eating the rich.
And here I thought I’d come in and struggle to convince people it wasn’t just conservatives itching for a new civil war.
If the blue collar conservatives would only figure out the rich do not have there best interests at heart there wouldn’t be a war. This is class warfare but most just don’t realize it yet.
Two of the two most effective ways to control a large group is to give a group (or group) to fear, then convince them that the group/s is coming to take what they have.
Throw getting them to feel superior to said group/s as a bonus. And bam you have total control…
Conservatives are itching to commit violence against women, minorities, and political opposition.
Leftists recognize that medical debt, unaffordable food and rent, climate change, etc. are already forms of violence we’re being subjected to as part of permanent class warfare.
They are not the same.
12% of dems and 28% of republicans… that says something
To be fair, the question was “do you think violence is necessary for the US to get back on track”
Make America Great Again is the Republican line, so of course the poll is going to lean this way.
Congrats. That’s probably the dumbest attempt to grasp at straws I’ve seen all day.
I’m looking at what the polling question actually is. Liberals, kinda by definition, don’t want the country to “get back on track” or return to a period of former greatness.
The liberals I know think it’s pretty off track. Specifically, it fell off the rails when Trump got elected.
The track switch probably was thrown back in the 2000 election. We all hoped President Obama was gonna get us back on track.
MAGA wants to revert the us to some racist 1950s version. Violence is basically required to achieve that vision.
Liberals want to put the US back on track to equality, human rights and a secure future (see SCOTUS, for example of how off track the US is). We just don’t think violence is a good way to do take.
I guess I wasn’t thinking about it that way, that “on track” could be that Democrats are imagining there was a time when liberal ideals were being actively worked towards. I don’t think that’s really true, but I now see that someone could think that way.
So, are you a foreign operative, fascist or tankie?
There’s no way educated native English speakers could be as far off in either reading comprehension, or understanding of US politics, as you are.
Half these comments read like the Reddit PsyOps campaigns of 2016, and the vote counts indicate the same.
lmao you’re the one who doesn’t understand how language is used to manipulate polling and headlines
I would agree we’re pretty far off the track. Remember when the biggest scandals were presidential blowies and tan suits?
How about Watergate? There have always been scandals.
Or on another note, how about when presidential blowies were a scandal, gay people couldn’t even get married? The appeal to an idealized past is a conservative thing.
I’m not saying turn back the clock, I just want politics to stop being so… I mean marjorie taylor greene exists, for fucks sake.
Also let’s be real, Watergate is tame in 2024. Hell, PRISM wasn’t even as big as Watergate and it was 100x worse.
It’s built into the slogan. “The grass is always greener” doesn’t have the same ring to it.
So if the questions had been “do you think violence is necessary for hope and change” more dems would have said ‘yes’?
lol
Pretty clear the operative phrase was do you think violence is necessary.
Unironically yeah it changes the answers a LOT. There are entire sections of sociology dealing with much smaller polling biases.
What’s another phrasing that you think would be equivalently biased against dems?
I’m genuinely unsure of what you mean by “against” here-- are you implying the original phrasing biased Republican answers towards or against violence, and do you consider that to be a good or bad thing?
To answer your question though, I believe phrases that could influence Democrats to vote yes could be “Do you think violence is necessary to combat hatred” or as was suggested earlier “Do you think violence is necessary for hope and change”. Basically anything that ties violence to their desired values or outcomes.
I’m genuinely unsure of what you mean by “against” here-- are you implying the original phrasing biased Republican answers towards or against violence, and do you consider that to be a good or bad thing?
Maybe read back up the chain if you’re this lost.
or as was suggested earlier “Do you think violence is necessary for hope and change”. Basically anything that ties violence to their desired values or outcomes.
I’d love to see that poll ;)
Maybe read back up the chain if you’re this lost.
Fuck off
I’d love to see that poll ;)
If I make one I’ll send it in this community and you’ll get to see me proven right. Unfortunately you’ll be blocked so I won’t see your response.
I would have said yes to “is violence necessary” because in some situations it is, but I would have not even been able to answer the question as asked, or I would have said no, because I don’t agree with what they are saying violence is necessary for. The context is important, and flavored how people answered the question.
My comment was for people who understand that polling can be biased based on how you word the question.
“Do you think violence is necessary” is how the poll is being reported on, but that is not what was asked.
You think this phrasing was biased against republicans. I offered an equivalent phrasing that would be similarly biased against dems.
Do you think more dems would have responded positively to political violence if it was just phrased a little differently?
Who knows! Maybe?
lol- I think you know.
Cool!
Lol, why even make a poll? next time we have a question we can ask you
