Five-decade UK study finds that aggression at school leads to better-paying jobs, while those with emotional instability went on to earn less
Children who displayed aggressive behaviour at school, such as bullying or temper outbursts, are likely to earn more money in middle age, according to a five-decade study that upends the maxim that bullies do not prosper.
They are also more likely to have higher job satisfaction and be in more desirable jobs, say researchers from the Institute for Social and Economic Research at the University of Essex.
The paper, published today, used data about almost 7,000 people born in 1970 whose lives have been tracked by the British Cohort Study. The research team examined data from primary school teachers who assessed the children’s social and emotional skills when they were 10 years old in 1980, and matched it to their lives at the age of 46 in 2016.
“We found that those children who teachers felt had problems with attention, peer relationships and emotional instability did end up earning less in the future, as we expected, but we were surprised to find a strong link between aggressive behaviour at school and higher earnings in later life,” said Prof Emilia Del Bono, one of the study’s authors.
Capitalism rewards cut-throat behavior. No surprises there.
It’s almost like capitalism is designed to make sociopathy the more successful survival strategy
I was thinking about this the other day. I think no matter the system those willing to break the rules and find the cracks will always do so.
It isn’t a capitalism problem it is a human problem
It isn’t a capitalism problem it is a human problem
Capitalism is the human problem.
Let’s get rid of it.
Oh man the “Capitalism bad” button is going to get really really tired at this pace.
Maybe bullies have been around and thriving even prior to capitalism. I bet lots of people would have felt “bullied” by Genghis Khan.
And it worked for genghis as it does for capitalists. What’s the issue?
Maybe it shouldn’t
Be the change you want to see my guy.
I am, I was just responding to your question
They didn’t suggest bullying is exclusive to capitalism, right?
Maybe bullies are more prosperous in particular economic systems.
Makes sense. If you’re willing to take advantage of others, you can get advantages.
And these days, retaliation against adult bullies is not so straight forward.
What I’m gathering from this is I should become some sort of crazed vigilante, who goes and punches bullies in the face at playgrounds
And I completely disagree about handling adult bullies. It’s quite straightforward. Just illegal.
Apparently punching children and assaulting adults with tire irons is “wrong” and “against the law”
Bullying bullies doesn’t teach them that bullying isn’t a path to power. It just teaches them that you’re higher up in the chain than they are, for now.
Not to mention psychopathic tendencies are required to excel as an exec
Adult bullies are often idolized in our culture. They’re certainly rewarded in corporate workplaces where abusing others and not caring is seen as a sign of purposefulness and strength.
Exactly… and on the flip side, standing up for workplace injustice is a sign of insubordination and is punished. Even objectively discussing power dynamics gets a negative/uncomfortable reaction in my experience.
Bullying is a part of British culture, the “yes m’lord” attitude is still strong within them, don’t cause a fuss, “keep calm and carry on” is their motto for a reason…
https://theweek.com/101863/why-england-s-schools-are-among-worst-in-world-for-bullying
https://www.agencycentral.co.uk/articles/does-the-uk-have-a-workplace-bullying-problem/
As someone who has spent half their life in the UK and the other half in the USA, specifically the English are particularly nasty and have a strange admiration for the “clever bully”, both in school and at work. That isn’t to say the USA doesn’t have bullies, they’re just not as universally admired.
bad comment, not a UK problem. this is c/science not “c/attack a nation people group because the study happened to be conducted in the UK”
The work tallies with previous research by economists including Nicholas Papageorge,who examined longitudinal studies in the UK and US in 2019 and found that “externalising” behaviour linked to aggression and hyperactivity was associated with lower educational attainment but higher earnings. (from the article)
uncomfortable with this being the headline and seems like without further research this could just be one of those confirmation bias things. seems to make some assumptions that we don’t know empirically such as:
- teachers in the 1980s were a good judge of character, fairly identifying who bullies whom
- that this aggressive behavior at 10 years old continues meaningfully into later life
not denying the scientific accuracy of the study, but the journalist integrity of making this the headline.
edit: you can read the original article here, and yeah the actual text of the summary vindicates my judgment of the Guardian article. the original authors frame it as an analysis of “socio-emotional skills,” not agression per se, because again, these kids are ten, not even in high school yet.
