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    9 months ago

    In some parallel world, hamas would have such a port already built, because they didn’t spend all their resources on building missiles.

  • jet@hackertalks.com
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    9 months ago

    Israel already blocks all ship based access to Gaza. Building a port won’t change this

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      9 months ago

      I double dog dare Israel to try and stop a US Navy relief mission.

      It does make one wonder why they didn’t just land at Gaza’s actual seaport.

      Entirely possible you just can’t anymore.

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      9 months ago

      But having the US navy run it might. Essentially, it becomes a question of who blinks first. Humanitarian organizations run away scared when the regional power starts dropping bombs and shhoting at them; and Israel knows it.

      Picking a fight wirh the US military is a much bigger deal. This is why the US response to conflicts is often just “send in an aircraft carrier to float around near the issue”

  • febra@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Just stop Israel and the problem is solved. No need to complicate yourselves with a damn port.

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        9 months ago

        Yeah, giving them bombs to kill kids is definitely a very complex situation

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          Yep, they totally give Israel bobms for the express purpose of killing kids. Definitely not to defend themselves against a potential war with Iran or Egypt…

          Biden sits in the oval office and twirls his mustache like a cartoon villain as laughs about dead kids. Because the world is just so simple and black and white :)

      • merthyr1831@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        Bro replying to every comment “its not that simple!!!” when it really is, that fucking simple.

      • febra@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        Which is? To keep giving them bombs to kill children while also morally posturing and talking about how awful it is what Israel is doing?

        • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          9 months ago

          almost as if, contrary to what perpetually online slacktivists say, there is no easy answer for this considering you stop one side and the other side who has been fighting with them for decades, then starts harming the israeli people.

  • ZK686@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    This is so silly. This is just Biden trying to keep both sides of his own party happy…

  • gmtom@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Mam, I wish geopolitics was as simple as you “genocide joe” bros seem to think it is.

    This is actually huge and we should be celebrating it as a win. We’ll that’s if you actually care about the people of Gaza and don’t just want to use them as an excuse to attack Biden.

    • ShepherdPie@midwest.social
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      9 months ago

      A win that Israel will continue to use US weapons against Palestine while we spend 2 months building a dock in order to deliver aid to people that are starving now?

      It seems pretty disgusting of you to call this a ‘win’ and try to deflect criticism against those supporting genocide.

      • gmtom@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        Well they are already airdropping food into Gaza which is the only other realistic option. So getting aid into gaza in 2 months IS a win since if they didn’t then NO aid would get into Gaza.

        And you would understand this if you actually gave a shit about these people instead of just wanting to use them to justify you political beliefs.

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          9 months ago

          You’re the one accosting anyone who points out that Biden could end a lot of the suffering if he’d just stop supplying all the weaponry that’s being used on these people. Concern trolling doesn’t really work when you’re the guy openly supporting genocide.

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            9 months ago

            I’m “accosting” you because you’re not arguing in good faith, either because you’re a troll or you’re actually left wing but one of the smug ones that only cares about ideological purity tests that ignore reality.

            Like I get in your incredibly simplistic view of how things work Biden is a mustache twirling villains that gets glee from knowing destinations are dying. And if he wanted to he could snap his fingers, stop weapons sales tomorrow and the genocide would be over in a week, right.

            When the reality is that he is doing what he can to help the situation, but doesn’t have control of either the senate or the house and is arguing with republicans over aid to Ukraine which they tried to tie to aid to Israel. And plus he will have pressure from donors and other important people in the arms industry, during what may be the most important election in US history. So is almost certainly having to do the unthinkable calculus of if he did spend all his political capital on stopping arms sales to Israel, is that worth harming his chances at reelection, seeing as trump will u doubtsbly cause more harm both domestically and in Gaza. And then even if he did stop arms sales, Israel has both huge stockpiles of weapons and its own military production capacity, as well as the fact they’re currently already committed to ground offensives, which don’t rely much on US supplies, so the genocide wouldn’t stop.

            So Biden can either do what he can to get aid into gaza or he can spend all his political capital to stop weapons shipments to isreal, burning US foreign policy in the region, passing of donors and key political figures in a time when he desperately needs then, for no real gain other than a PR victory for the sake of people who will immediately find some new way to demonise him instead.

            • ShepherdPie@midwest.social
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              9 months ago

              This diatribe pretty much boils down to you claiming that polling numbers and donors are more important than the lives of those people being slaughtered over there, going as far as to say stopping weapons shipments is “no real gain” because pandering to donors is more important.

              I’m sure the men, women, and children who will be vaporized into red mist by the next US weapons shipment would disagree that there’s “no real gain” to stopping them. You’re a disgusting individual.

    • merthyr1831@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Yeah im sure Genocide Joe has perfectly good intentions when he says he plans build a port in a city he directly helped to ethnically cleanse, that just so happens to be within a few nautical miles of two massive oil wells recently discovered within Gaza’s territorial waters, which have already been sold off to oil companies.

      This is the same country that managed to kill people whilst dropping out of date, non-halal, food onto civilians.

      Why are you so desperate to avoid seeing him for what he is? Are you feeling guilty for the horrors you’ve seen whilst still convincing yourself America is the good guy?

      • abbotsbury@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        non-halal

        Muslims are allowed to eat haram if they would otherwise starve, this kind of nitpicking is very elucidatory. Like, would you rather less food be delivered, or delivered with more delay, just to ensure it sticks to rules which are not even applicable to this scenario?

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          9 months ago

          That’s true, as well as you can also eat out-of-date food if the alternative is starvation, but it seems fitting that the US is only able to scrounge 38,000 meals (enough for 1.7% of the total population of Gaza to have one meal) while it’s gleefully sending billions in military aid to Israel.

      • gmtom@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        I mean for one I’m not taking someone seriously that unironicslly says “genocide Joe”

        Also you might wanna learn the definition of “directly” because you’re not using it right.

        Also do you have any sources for any of the stuff you just claimed because I can’t find info on it at all.

        Like it’s so obvious you don’t actually give a shit about this people and it’s just an excuse for you to say “but Biden bad” like the good little useful idiot you are.

        It doesn’t matter if he’s building infrastructure to get needed aide onto gaza, or directly airdropping food into the city. You people will always try and find some mental gymnastics way to make it into Biden supporting genocide.

      • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        9 months ago

        he directly helped to ethnically cleanse

        citation needed. do you realise how silly you sound with this claptrap?

    • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      9 months ago

      the “genocide joe” people are pretty much the same as the people attacking dr. fauci for pushing vaccines, tbh

      • gmtom@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        So you think if Biden was so inclined to he could just say “no more support for Israel” and everyone would just happily go along with it because he’s president and everyone has to do what he says?

        Or would an administration with no majority in either the senate or the house maybe have trouble going against decades of policy and doctrine, to abandon its closest ally in an incredibly unstable and important region and put at risk American political and corporate interests in the area?

        • TokenBoomer@lemmy.worldOP
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          9 months ago

          So you think if Biden was so inclined to he could just say “no more support for Israel” and everyone would just happily go along with it because he’s president and everyone has to do what he says?

          YES

          It should never be difficult to do the right thing.

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    “We are not waiting on the Israelis”

    Also

    The scheme will take several weeks to put into action, however, carrying the risk of supplying too little relief, too late.

    Someone tell Biden that if he actually wants to do something he has a few aircraft carriers and frigates nearby perfectly capable of delivering food

    Or maybe Biden doesn’t want to do anything. He just wants to make it look like he does something. Wonder which it could be.

    • gmtom@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      You people are actually braidead.

      Please tell me how a frigate, nevermind a fuckjng aircraft carrier can deliver supplies without a fuckjng port to dock in?

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        9 months ago

        Aircraft carriers actually have a lot of storage space since they have to be able to cruise around for a long time without resupplying. They have many “smaller” boats surrounding them which can easily transport food if they used their life boats.

        If there’'s a will there’s a way. People are actively dying of starvation.

        Waiting multiple weeks to build a pier for “clean delivery” is what I would use the adjective in your comment for.

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          How many tons of food can a lifeboat carry do you think? How does that food get loaded onto and unloaded off the boat? By hand?

          If there’'s a will there’s a way. People are actively dying of starvation.

          And the US has been airdropping food in. But there just isn’t enough capacity, and Biden has been criticised for not doing enough in that case too. The real solution if for Israel to allow trucks across the land border and not machine gun residents when they try to collect the aide.

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            The real solution if for Israel to allow trucks across the land border and not machine gun residents when they try to collect the aide.

            Yes but Biden is actively trying to pretend that isn’t possible and make up excuses why he needs TWO MONTHS to build a pier to drop off food. In the hopes his voting base is stupid enough to believe he isn’t actively trying to ignore the issue.

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              9 months ago

              How is he pretending that isn’t possible?

              How is he ignoring the issue? He’s building infrastructure in order to facilitate aid delivery, because his previous action of airdropping aid into gaza doesn’t have the capacity to provide enough food to alleviate the famine, and he only has to find this solution because Israel has ignored his calls to not start a ground offensive in rafah and also ignored his calls for a ceasefire.

              So I really don’t get how you can try and spin “he’s ignoring the issue” from all that.

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                  9 months ago

                  So what do you think Biden is actuslly capable of doing about that, that he’s currently not doing?

      • homura1650@lemm.ee
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        9 months ago

        The big ship stays in the water, and is used to supply smaller water craft that can ferry them directly to the coast; either by using smaller existing docks, or by simplying beaching on the cost. Unless we are saying that the US military lacks the ability to do a water based ground attack unless the enemy kindly leaves a port for them to use.

        • gmtom@lemmy.world
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          There aren’t any functional docs on the strip, the closes is a small marina for small bosts that has no equipment for receiving bulk supplies.

          So you would have to load supplies onto lifeboats or ribs, ferry them across and unload them by hand, you wouldn’t even get half a tonne per trip realistically and you spend hours loading and unloading it all.

          Or if they happen to have amphibious assault ships in the area, they could move small truck of supplies on to the beach. But this would be a costly and still quite innifecient process. Which is why in any actual amphibious landing as soon as the immediate area is secured the Naval Cargo Handling Batallion builds at least a temporary dock at the landing site as soon as possible.

      • BaronOfHair@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        Palestine and Israel are the two regulars at the neighborhood dive bar… Can’t resist the urge to be in one another’s company, no matter how often this results in a brawl