I’ve never seen it put so succinctly before.
As far as I’m concerned, Biden is running unopposed this year.
The media is more interested in promoting a contest than acknowledging the facts.
“Literally Hitler”
Yeah, I don’t like what Biden is doing in Gaza either.
Where is the 3rd button with “Become an actuall democracy”?
Electing Hindenburg really saved us from Hitler
Some on the left were still lukewarm towards Hindenburg; the Communists exploited this by running Thälmann and promoting him as “the only left candidate”. Hindenburg failed to receive the requisite majority of votes in the first round, but was able to win reelection in the runoff.
Hindenburg’s reelection failed to prevent the NSDAP from assuming power. Two successive federal elections later that year left it as the largest party in the Reichstag, and anti-republic parties in general holding the majority of seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_German_presidential_election
Hindenburg wasn’t left enough for many of the Communists, and they thought that getting a candidate they’d feel better about supporting was more important than stopping Hitler.
That’s not that point, Hindenburg was still elected as the lesser evil and Hitler was made fucking chancellor. Electing a lesser evil changes very little if they are still evil. Hindenburg was even supported by a large portion of the SPD (unfortunately). This is often seen as social democrats turning on the left as usual. Hindenburg wasn’t even left, of course communist didn’t support him.
Hindenburg being elected did not stop the NSDAP from seizing power is the entire point of my argument. It only delayed it slightly. Having communist support would never have changed this. Having a communist government might have (but obviously that is pure fantasy given the political situation at the time).
I’m actually realizing after my rambling that I’m not entirely sure what point you are trying to make? Are you suggesting is the fault of communist that Hindenburg’s election was insufficient in preventing Nazi control? /Gen
Edit: I think what you’re saying is that communists almost put hitler in power sooner but introducing a third party candidate that took votes from Hindenburg?
In this case I see what you mean and understand why you would see it that way. However this is the fault of the political system in place forcing that sort of situation which is why I advocate for the dismantling of that system. I do not agree with thälmann and the KPD’s belief that a government and it’s society can be reformed through electoralism. Materially I understand how placing a third candidate into that election was incredibly risky I just think that shouldn’t be a problem. We shouldn’t have to worry that pushing for progressive change within the system will cause the opposite.
I’m with you when you say Biden is better than trump but I’m not with you when you attempt to work within a system that is designed specifically to benefit the bourgeoisie in order to improve conditions for the proletariat. In my eyes it’s absurd to believe that its even possible to do so.
Damage control does not lead to positive change, it just delays the inevitable harm
If you’re interested I recommend reading reform or revolution by Rosa Luxembourg. I don’t expect you to radically change your views on this but I think you deserve to understand where I’m coming from. I get it if you think communist desire for revolution is pure fantasy, living within the imperial core will do that to you but please give it a shot. Try to understand. It’s worth it, I was like you once. Most of us were.
You sent me that already. I’ll check it out at some point.
I just don’t see them as mutually exclusive. You can vote for the candidate who’s not going to immediately destroy the country and replace it with a nightmare Republican dictatorship, while also working for positive change in other ways. Those both seem like no-brainer good ideas to me.
Personally, I think “overthrow of the system” has to be done while preserving the good parts. There are a lot of countries which have overthrown a bad system only to replace it with a much, much worse system. If you don’t like voting, then you’re basically abdicating control of your country to whoever has enough money and power to take it over outside of democratic norms which currently keep it nominally in some kind of grey area semi-fascist state, thus enabling its catapult into full fascism. I fail to see how helping Trump get elected is going to do anything for any activists or anybody who’s trying to do anything worthwhile society-change-wise, because the first thing he’ll do is order the National Guard, or whatever modern-day SS equivalent the Florida State Guard and CBP evolve into, to just shoot anyone that causes any trouble.
Hindenburg is, in fact, an excellent analogy. The NSDAP was left with a plurality in parliament after a disappointing stalemated election, the Communists failed to support the Bidens and Nancy Pelosis of their day, for reasons which probably seemed perfectly reasonable at the time, so that with their mandates undermined they fell one by one. Hitler had a strong mandate from the crazy people, and was better able to use new technology and organizational techniques, so that as the establishment crumbled he was able to progressively strengthen his position. And, in the immediate aftermath of Hindenburg’s death and Hitler’s ascendance, the Communists of course suffered the worst of his vengeance, followed by a whole lot more than 27,000 people elsewhere in the world (if the massacre in Gaza is what’s making you not want to vote against Trump in this election).
I’ll admit you seem to know a lot more about Nazi history than I do so I’ll concede that analogy. I also don’t really pay attention to usernames my bad for sending that book twice but I suppose it’s no real harm.
I’m also with you when you say that revolutions have ended very poorly in the past but this does not mean that revolution itself is a bad idea. It’s just been poorly executed due to lack of leftist organization and class consciousness. This is why leftist argue so much on the internet, we desperately want to spread class consciousness so that we don’t end up with a reactionary, fascist overthrow instead of a leftist revolution because eventually it will come to that. Granted, the imperial core is not at all at the point where revolution is even close to viable.
My main reason for not voting for Biden is in fact the genocide but it’s also the neoliberalism and the institutions he represents as well as not believing he is fit to run a country, not that trump is better in that regard. I will probably vote for Biden begrudgingly because materially I know I basically have no other option but I’m gonna removed and moan about it because morally it hurts. It feels wrong to give someone like that my political support. I desperately want to be principled and not vote for him because I know that voting for him only encourages both parties to move further right as there is no real political motive to move left unless they are losing votes but I’m terrified of what might happen if Trump wins. Which is unfortunately exactly what our political and economic elites want.
I hate knowing that I have to support real genocide to maybe prevent a hypothetical worse genocide.
I also want to stress that because of this I do not blame leftists who abstain from voting or vote third party, I will never hold it against them as long as they are actively finding other ways to effect the political system.
The US is kinda primed to really like their hitlers.
Riddle me this. If he’s literally Hitler how come no one has used their hypothetical time machine to hypothetically eliminate him?
Somehow him being killed makes things worse. Next question.
There was a guy who tried to rush the stage at a rally back in 2016. I remember wondering if he was a time traveler.
at some point, both factions gained access to the technology.
The Temporal Cold War.
Secret third faction reveal at the end of season 2.
Is this an original writing prompt? Because I’d read the hell out of that book.
You’ve never seen Terminator?
This is a very common trope.
I highly recommend the series “Travelers” for a great take on it.
Maybe this is the optimal timeline and it just doesn’t look that way because we’re still in the middle of it and not at the end.
Yes, the US nuking Japan was horrific - but maybe we’d have had a much more brutal WW2 with half a billion lives lost if not for mutually assured destruction keeping it in everyone’s pants.
Yes, Hitler was horrific, but maybe the world needed a wake up call for the importance of at least some form of diplomatic structure like the UN and things like human rights observers.
Yeah, Trump is scary as shit in what it might mean for Western democracy. But maybe this period we’re in right now serves to push us forward to more modern democratic principles and protections suited to the modern age and not 1776.
Sure, AI misinformation and deepfakes are concerning - but maybe the proliferation of BS to an ad nauseum degree ends up undermining existing misinformation ops around things like vaccine denial or conspiratorial thinking where people currently gravitating to “doing their own research” online become better inoculated to BS by sheer volume of exposure to things they increasingly find they can’t trust.
We only see the means, not the ends or their possible variations.
So even if there are time travelers, perhaps they are quite committed to what seems a mediocre timeline because the odds just happened to play out in such a way that our misery paved the way to their paradise.
Even Hitler in his final hours wasn’t as utterly deranged as Trump.
Hitler did a lot of meth man, I’m sure he was pretty deranged
Of course he was. But Donnie is on a whole other level.
At least Hitler did shit on purpose. Trump is just like an LLM trained on Hitler and trying to find winning plays without having a clue how it works.
It’s a lot closer than you are suggesting. Trump, Mussolini, and Hitler are all very similar.
Hitler had the guy that brought his cyanide capsules feed one to his dog. A German shepherd be reputedly loved.
To test the potency. He also married Eva Braun the night before they both suicided.
Trump would probably have given the pill to his wife and married the dog.
Trump hates dogs. And dogs hate him.
Which… what kind of person is hated by dogs? Like seriously.
They can probably smell the demonic possession.
Yeah, he at least had the decency to kill Hitler.
Actually significantly below average even by the low bar of the Dem leadership. He was the most conservative democrat candidate in a field that included Amy Klobuchar and two billionaires, one of whom is a former republican.
He’s barely to the left of Joe Manchin and neoliberals pretend that he’s the most progressive president ever 🤦
And yes, of course he’s still a much better choice than the Mango Mussolini, but talk about a low fucking bar!
Can you list out some of the legislation he’s helped pass and some of his executive orders?
Basically undoing everything Trump did. It’s not impressive enough. He needs to do newer and better things.
Holy shit do you ever annoy yourself with this shit?
Rejoining the Paris Climate Agreement
Which is a non-binding agreement that the US is STILL not abiding by, so bfd.
Rejoining the World Health Organization
While continuing to downplay Covid-19, lifting the emergency status and forcing everyone back to work long before it was safe. Likely at the behest of donors.
Revoking permits for the Keystone XL pipeline
Which was a good thing more than made up for by mandating that any new renewable energy projects would be contingent on first increasing the amount of federal land leased for fossil fuel extraction many times over.
Ending support for Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen
Nope. The US is still very much supporting that genocide as well as the one in Gaza.
Withdrawing from Afghanistan
Which was a good idea horribly executed. Worst bungled end to a US war since Vietnam.
Juneteenth National Independence Day Act
Purely symbolic
American Rescue Plan
Insufficient but ok, I’m gonna be charitable and give him that one.
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
Mostly a giant giveaway to corporations, it privatized a lot more infrastructure than it paid to fix.
CHIPS and Science Act
Another corporate giveaway.
Inflation Reduction Act
Failed to live up to its name
Honoring our PACT Act
Ok, this was a good on.
Eliminating the Schedule F class of federal workers Trump created that stripped federal workers of job protections
While taking rights away from other workers.
Restoring collective bargaining rights to federal workers
Unless they bother some of his favorite donors like the railway workers did
Yeah he should really pull back on that giant “produce oil” lever he’s got on the Resolute desk with the presidential seal on the handle.
Or, you know, treat the climate apocalypse seriously.
How do you propose Biden stop shale drillers on private property in Texas and New Mexico? Well he signed a massive investment in green energy and infrastructure that can help renewable technologies compete more effectively with fossil fuels. Should more immediate and drastic action happen? I believe so, but Biden can’t do that without a Congress that agrees. Elect more Democrats to Congress
he has the EPA.
The EPA was stripped of its power to regulate carbon emissions in 2022. Congress would need to pass another Clean Air Act for them to do anything. Even then with the Chevron precedent about to be overturned in the coming weeks, the EPA will have the authority to do…not a god damned thing.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/30/1103595898/supreme-court-epa-climate-change
the same supreme Court which just got undermined in Hawaii?
make em do it again.
How? Hawaii has a state constitution backing their decision. What can the EPA do? Say they Regulate climate emissions and ban oil extraction tomorrow. What happens? Texas and the other red oil producing states just fall in line? They say “gosh, I guess they can tell us what to do even though my boys on the cout said they can’t, oh well, we lose”
Of course not. Blue states tend to not need to be told what to do and are often the ones making the standards that are later imposed by the EPA nationally (see CARB standards still regulating MPG for example). So the EPA will be telling red states what to do, with no authority to do so and you seriously think they will just…do it? In what universe do you live, because I’d sure like to be there.
Which has the power to do what in this case?
You would think, based on the name, protect the environment.
If you’re judging agencies by their names rather than the powers given to them through enacted legislation, I guess I don’t know what to tell you
Weird how when there’s a Conservative in charge they have unlimited power to ruin the country, but the dems hands are so tied, he couldn’t possibly have done anything to stop the big bad oil companies.
thank you
Weird how it’s easier to break something than to build something
Could he not break the fossil fuel industry then?
He really can’t. Breaking the fossil fuel industry would require building a regulatory framework to do so, which would require congressional action. On the other hand, directing federal agencies to stop enforcing existing regulations and making internal decisions to undermine federal oversight of industry (aka breaking the regulatory framework) is much easier.
Also, when gas prices go up people get angry
Well there’s the time he lobbied Congress to take away the rights of striking railway workers.
And then there’s the fact that he circumvented normal procedures to expedite weapons sales to Israel twice in December alone.
That’s just two of many examples of him being on the side of the rich and powerful and against regular people every time there’s conflict between the two groups.
I love that railroad Striker story because it just makes identifying people online so easy. Because whenever people online complain about it it’s either one or two things, it’s either they’re completely ignorant of this actual scenario and what actually happened or they’re just being intellectually dishonest on purpose.
I love that railroad Striker story because it just makes identifying people online so easy.
You love a story about blocking workers from striking? Cool bruh.
No, it just shows clearly who is actively informed on what happened and who is parroting nonsense information -either intentionally or not
false dichotomy: i support the freedom to strike and anyone who challenges it is a class enemy
Right so the second one then, good to know. It’s always one or the other.
calling my dishonest doesn’t change that biden is a class enemy
I’ve seen it used by both sides for good and bad framing, depending on the level of detail they go into lol.
Those striking railway workers eventually got their demands for sick leave met in their contracts with continued support from the Biden Administration AND our national economy didn’t grind to a halt
Without making a big show of it
That’s how Biden works! The corporate media is against Biden and it shows to those who can see. It’s tough getting the real news and that’s a massive problem for this country.
Yeah, I’m not really sure that’s the point. The fact that the only changes that are allowed to get through are what the president allows is disheartening. The fact is, these workers should have been able to strike on their own terms without being shut down. What happens with a more hostile leader? What Biden did was defang the Union in that instance. Threw them a bone afterward, sure, but he defanged them.
They got a fraction of what they were asking for and they weren’t even asking for much. Their working conditions are still so awful that it’s only a question of time before the next major derailment disaster like the one in Ohio happens.
Next time, it might happen in a major metropolitan area, in which case many will die and the economy will suffer a lot worse than not trampling on their rights would have.
And even the tiny concessions they DID get in spite of Biden convincing congress to make them fight oligarchic railway companies without their best weapon, strike actions, was due to NLRB efforts with no help from Corporate Joe.
The strike threat was about paid sick leave, it wasn’t about railroad safety. Safety is an important issue too, but every single source from the time, even directly from the unions, explicitly discussed only paid sick leave. In that sense they got their demand met completely
It was about sick leave and improving the working conditions that are so awful that they’re literally making workers sick and trains less safe.
every single source from the time, even directly from the unions, explicitly discussed only paid sick leave
That’s simply not true. That’s the MSM and party narrative, but it isn’t the truth. Outlets less intertwined with the political establishment such as The Intercept and The Nation could have informed you better, had you bothered to look beyond the bubble.
in that sense they got their demand met completely
You mean in that entirely fictional sense? To quote the Nation piece:
this was never just a conflict over the number of paid sick days. About 115,000 workers represented by 13 separate craft unions, who keep 40 percent of the nation’s freight moving, got screwed. The coalition of interests that did the screwing includes: the executive boards of the seven class-1 carriers, most of Congress, and the president.
Sounds like you read the newspapers but that’s not where the real news is at. Corporations own the news. Dig deeper, a lot deeper. Biden isn’t as bad as the MSM wants you to believe.
You’re seriously saying that the MSM, most of which enjoys a symbiotic relationship with the DNC are portraying Biden as WORSE than he really is??
It’s because I consume media from OUTSIDE of the MSM bubble that I know he’s not anywhere near as great as the likes of Politico and NYT keep pretending.
As a Biden supporter, I have to assume that all the lies and bullshit about him that have infected the (almost exclusively) young Democrats today is coming from Tiktok or Instagram or some other social media apo I don’t have.
It’s because I consume media from OUTSIDE of the MSM bubble that I know he’s not anywhere near as great as the likes of Politico and NYT keep pretending.
This supports that theory.
Do you idiots not see the parallels between you and MAGA? It’s the same exact playbook! “Don’t trust the MSM”, “do your research”, “get angry about xyz”
I have to assume that all the lies and bullshit about him that have infected the (almost exclusively) young Democrats today is coming from Tiktok or Instagram or some other social media apo I don’t have.
I’m 41 and don’t use any social media, unless Lemmy counts.
This supports that theory.
Nope. I was referring to sources such as The Intercept, The Nation and (for news about the Gaza genocide) Haaretz.
Not MSM ≠ not reliable news
Do you idiots not see the parallels between you and MAGA? It’s the same exact playbook!
Says the guy convinced that there’s no good reason not to worship the president formerly known as The Senator From MBNA 🙄
Don’t trust the MSM", “do your research”, “get angry about xyz”
Not trusting the MSM because they’re a billionaire-owned tool of the oppressive establishment that often lies to further such narratives as “the more cops the less crime” and “Israel’s just defending itself” ≠ not trusting them because they don’t lie ENOUGH like the MAGA cult.
My research relies on trusting the expertise of those who have proven themselves reliable. The maga “research” starts with doing everything but that.
I get angry about things that are wrong, such as everything the maga cult stands for and the lies of both them and the corrupt neoliberal elite that you’re simping for. They get angry at whichever imagined issue their handlers tell them to be angry about.
TL;DR: Horse shoe theory is bullshit made up by ideologically challenged liberals to falsely smear diametrically opposed opponents as identical.
Fish hook theory is much closer to reality, especially when it comes to propaganda.
git em
worship
See this is the shit that supports horseshoe theory. Far-left and far-right, you’re all about idolarity and worship and dictatorships and changing the world by force. Moderates don’t believe in that shit. We don’t worship anyone. You’re just mad because your far right counterparts have a strongman to rally around and you currently don’t. But you do crave one.
Not trusting the MSM because they’re a billionaire-owned tool of the oppressive establishment that often lies to further such narratives as “the more cops the less crime” and “Israel’s just defending itself” ≠ not trusting them because they don’t lie ENOUGH like the MAGA cult.
It’s not about the “why”, it’s about the end result. You’ve been manipulated to be paranoid and angry, just like them. Of course, the methods of manipulation were a little different but you ended up in the same place.
(and let me give a disclaimer here: “both sides” arguments is just as terrible as your current left-wing MAGA shit. The far left like you are a sliver of the Democrats, but what I call the far right are actually in control of the Republicans. You spout absurd shit and it’s frustrating but at the end of the day largely irrelevant. MAGA spouts absurd shit and it’s frightening, because they have the power to turn it into absurd actions. Just because I equate the far right and far left in terms of stupidity and susceptibility to propaganda, does not mean I equate them in terms of dangerousness. Even worst case scenario, the average tankie’s utopia is better than the average MAGA utopia.)
I like your takes. I see you down here in the dregs of the comments a lot, keep up the good fight ✊.
I’m 32 and don’t use social media.
Yeah but you’re a tankie plant, you don’t count. I’m talking about the great uninformed mass.
how old someone is has no bearing on whether what they say is true
I only mentioned it because it has bearing on what media you consume. Younger people consume media from apps like tiktok and instagram.
So you’re going with the whole “liberal media” trope, eh? Figures.
Some tropes are true and the one about the MSM consisting of billionaire-owned outlets that unquestioningly support either neoliberalism (Politico, MSDNC, NYT etc) or fascism (Faux News, Breitbart, WSJ editorials etc) are one of them.
MSM slobs his knob, what are you on about?
How dare he… checks notes… prevent a national financial crisis but still worked to get the unions everything they wanted, and stand by our international allies in a crisis even when Congress won’t.
prevent a national financial crisis
He did no such thing. That was just his bullshit excuse. The crisis from the next major derailment, one that could happen anywhere, including in major metropolitan areas, will likely be much worse than anything caused by upholding the rights of striking workers.
stand by our international allies in a crisis
Yeah, when those allies are operating an apartheid regime committing genocide, it’s not a good thing to pretend that automatically taking their side is the principled thing to do. The crisis is of their own making and US support in the form of weapons and funding is making it worse, not better.
Republicans win, and Israel is thrown under the bus
Bullshit. Republicans are MORE staunchly in favor of the Israeli government, being fellow fascists.
we will do the same to them as soon as it’s politically convenient
Yeah, because not enabling genocide by an apartheid regime is all about convenience! Gtfo with that bullshit!
- You seem to be under the impression that the strike was about safety, it was not. It was about sick days.
- Israel is neither genocidal nor an apartheid state, this is total hyperbole, and I’m very glad the Biden administration does not share your warped redefinitions of these terms. Biden is now putting sanctions on those who go too far in Israel, which I appreciate. I hope he goes after their right wing politicians next.
- The comment I was responding to wanted Biden to throw Israel under the bus, not the Republicans that would replace him due to the financial consequences of a national rail strike.
Sick days (and other PTO) is a safety issue. Forcing employees to come in while sick or working them to the bone with no breaks makes for an unsafe working environment. When workers are tired or sick, they’re more prone to mistakes.
You seem to be under the impression that the strike was about safety, it was not. It was about sick days.
It was about both. You can repeat your narrative as many times as you want, doesn’t change the fact that you’re lying.
Israel is neither genocidal nor an apartheid state,
False. It’s by definition a case of both.
this is total hyperbole
Wrong again.
your warped redefinitions of these terms
Those aren’t my definitions. They are those of the Genocide Convention and South African Apartheid survivors.
Biden is now putting sanctions on those who go too far in Israel
Nope. He’s frozen assets of a handful of civilian murderers from the West Bank, but is still supporting the Israeli government genocide with weapons, funding and lying about the extent of their atrocities.
The comment I was responding to wanted Biden to throw Israel under the bus
Israel IS the bus and he’s throwing his own re-election prospects under it. He’s already alienated significant portions of crucial battleground states like Michigan and he’s hemorrhaging support from every voter who doesn’t consider massacring civilians the cost of doing business.
the Republicans that would replace him due to the financial consequences of a national rail strike.
Again, a purely fictional hypothetical invented to excuse the ongoing gross violations of labor rights by some of his favorite owner donors.
I swear you Biden stans are just as blind to the many faults of your Dear Leader as the Trump cult sometimes 🤦
Israel has not been found guilty of violating either statute, keep repeating it like a mantra but it doesn’t make it any more true. 21% of Israel’s population is Arab/Palestinian and they have full legal citizenship rights. Pretty odd for an, “apartheid state.” Israel is not attempting to destroy Palestinians in whole or in part, they are responding to an attack by a belligerent nation and going to great lengths to select legal targets in response even if they have significant collateral damage. It’s clear this is about self-defense and not racial based punishment, despite your uncharitable portrayal.
I swear you Biden stans are just as blind to the many faults of your Dear Leader as the Trump cult sometimes 🤦
Biden is the best president we’ve had in a long time and I’m tired of Hamas stans criticizing him for supporting our allies against unprovoked terrorist attacks. Supporting our allies in a time of crisis is the right thing to do.
Oh no. The guy youre responding too is an idiot… But now it looks like you might actually be idiot-er :/
undermining the autonomy of workers to choose to strike is bad.
What are you, some kinda big mouth Co- . . . oh . . . . sorry. Carry on.
You said he got the unions “everything they wanted”. They wanted 15 sick days so I’ll wait for you to post a source saying every rail worker in all 12 unions now has 15 sick days. Or you can admit saying he got them “everything they wanted” is a lie.
Those child detention centers at the border: still open on his term.
God it’s so frustrating fighting against the tidal wave of misinformation. How did Republicans win at social media??
I would rephrase the title to say “Also” and not “Instead”. Biden did reform immigration detention. He also moved to more private detention centers. There are no longer children in cages, families being separated, or families being detained at all.
Because morons who fancy themselves revolutionaries are more than happy to join hands with fascists. “After Trump, us!”
He’s still against universal healthcare. I am tired of folks beating people for wanting candidates that are more electable than Biden running instead of him. Universal healthcare polls well on the right and left.
That one issue tells you everything you need to know about him, he sides with corporate lobbyists before material needs of the people.
more electable
Biden already beat a ton of primary candidates in 2020, which you probably don’t remember because you’re literally a spoiled child.
Beat = Got Obama to convince many of them to drop out and endorse him in the same night
Yes, that was part of it
Thanks, I’m in my 50s. I remember. I also remember the electability politics used in that election on the democratic side by corporate media to force a right of center candidate. He also didn’t beat any one in primaries in this election, which is a different election.
electability politics used in that election on the democratic side by corporate media to force a right of center candidate.
That’s a lot of words for “my politics are not as popular as I wish they were”.
Remember how much political capital Obama had to spend just to get the ACA passed, and even then just barely? I would love universal healthcare but this probably isn’t the best time to push for it, at least not until fascism is defeated and Democrats have the numbers. The president isn’t a genie who can just make things like this happen unilaterally. The public may support it but Republicans do not.
This is a bleak perspective and I refuse to believe that it isn’t a good time. When will it ever. That view will never produce change.
Pushing for legislation that is a non-starter when we are barely able to pass a budget to keep the government running isn’t a great strategy. Political capital needs to be spent where it is most effective, even if that means putting good legislation that isn’t viable on the back burner from time to time.
I hope we get universal healthcare sooner rather than later, but our problems are a little more existential right now. They might elect the guy who wants to end democracy. Sometimes we must compromise and do what is viable rather than what is desired. The good should not be sacrificed in pursuit of the perfect.
democrats are fascists, so voting for them won’t stop it.
What polls are you looking at that have universal health care polling well on both sides?
Isn’t hard to find, because it never is in contention. Republicans in power, Democrats in power, want the status quo because of the lobby of pharma, healthcare insurance, and corporate control over our bodies. Those in the public on the right and left support government paid healthcare. https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx
72% of Democrats, 13% of Republicans support government-run system
Your source seems to disagree.
Anyone that asks the question.
Every poll I can find has the large majority of Republicans opposing single payer health care. Some are in favor of “universal health care” but that being a mix of public and private similar to what the afordable* care act with the individual mandate did.
He’s barely to the left of Joe Manchin
You know Biden & Manchin were in the same Senate together, right? So it’s in fact quite easy to look up & see that this is completely false.
He was the most conservative Democrat candidate
That’s not what voters thought during the primaries. This Business Insider ranking has him middle of the pack. And this Pew poll shows him having more liberal support than Bloomberg.
If you can show me a ranking of the candidates ideologies that shows Biden as the most conservative (actual data that supports your opinion, not just feelz), go ahead. I’ll wait.
He is undeniably awful on some issues, however if you look at everything that’s happened under him, I think you’ll be surprised how much, lets say his people, have started to pull the US out of a 40 year old Reagan shaped hole.
Sure, he’s made some good cabinet appointments, but I guarantee that, for example, the excellent Lauren McFerran who’s been doing a great job at NLRB wasn’t his idea.
Party loyalists like the twitter troll Neera Tanden, unprincipled opportunists like Pete Buttigieg and conservatives like Merrick Garland are much more Biden’s speed.
Ok exactly the fucking point. McFerran wasn’t bidens idea, because he isnt obsessed with “oNLy tHe BEsT PeOpLE” who weirdly he has to be related to or owe money or who went on fucking infowars to praise him. There is ROOM for expertise and reasonable suggestions.
I would take any one of the people who are “bidens speed” over the muck eating, grifting, shitbird appoinents trump made.
Summarizing, you’re right and still full of shit lol.
I would take any one of the people who are “bidens speed” over the muck eating, grifting, shitbird appoinents trump made.
Sure, but the bar is “good choices”, not “better choices than Trump”. Either of my two cats could clear the latter bar any day and, adorable as they are, my cats are NOT qualified for the position of POTUS.
Summarizing, you’re right and still full of shit lol.
Right back at you.
I mean ok fair enough. We can both vote for the least worst and hope for better
True, but at which point do we stop meekly agreeing to support the lesser evil and start demanding to have options that aren’t evil?
At the point that the demand doesn’t elect the greater evil?
Go ahead and don’t vote, boy that will sure show the establishement… Nothing. Or vote against your interests to teach them a lesson! Oh wait, that’s like punching yourself in the face.
It happens by progressively showing strength of the party platform that a continued shift away from conservative bs is electable. The last few years has been powerful in continuing that trend after Biden was elected. Overturning women’s rights has blown up in republicans faces. Their hyped red wave a couple years ago turned out to be bs. A large number, not enough, but still a large number of gerrymandered maps have been overturned in courts after years of lawsuits, with additional ones still actively being fought in courts around the US. There are real progressive democrats dedicating their lives to fighting this stuff. If the trend continues to show that progressives will start taking control of the elections and safeguard democracy the progressive shift will show that a platform foundation exists for representatives to support those platforms. Without it they are stuck relying on independent voters filling the gaps and trying to bridge the gap between liberal and conservative enough that they secure as many independents as possible and come out ahead. Their isn’t enough strict support on the Democratic side to get elected as an ideal candidate and it’s not going to get there in a single cycle but we are four years into wins year over year and my personal opinion is if Biden wins handily and the house and senate make major strides this year it will not only enable more effective changes in policy, even though I feel Biden has far exceeded expectations, it will largely be due to disadvantage and youth voters and start to show that portion of the population as a more reliable vote to run a platform on which could be the beginning of a radical shift in how this country is run, in a good way. The liberal voter base needs a reliable foundation in order to support policies that folks like to bitch about otherwise your going to get politicians that have to try catering to the independent voter base and republicans as the only ones holding office.
Hey! Be nice to me!
Sorry! Tangerine terror?
Dorito Mussolini, i think.
Personally, I like alliteration… The Festering Fascist? Dumber Duterte? Putin Puppet?
Ooh! I like these! Must try and remember them.
I got,
Atomic Orange
Nuclear Cheetoh
Dr. Fascismo
Señor Racismo
Donnie Two Scoops
Diaper Don
I don’t thing “above average” was a reference to how liberal he is.
Hitler only lived to age 56. If trump had only lived to 56, he would’ve died in 2002, before The Apprentice had even aired. That’s the better timeline for sure.
Trump had his moment hiding in the basement while it all crumbled around him, but he missed his chance to do the world the same courtesy.
oh shit!
We stop with this fucking red vs blue clown show.
Downvoting for misuse of, “Literally.”
You’re having this conversation because those in charge want you to, so you’re busy fighting each other about the illusion of choice they’ve given you, instead of fighting them over the oppressive system they impose for their own benefit. The fact that you even have to ask just proves how well it’s working.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
This is the only election where I’m throwing my arms up and saying ‘fuck it’ to.
Out of all the ones we’ve had between center-right bland white men who disagree on small quibbles of how to divvy up the work product of the working class between themselves, all of a sudden this one where there’s a for real democracy ending fascist in it with a good chance of winning, that’s the one where you say “naw I’ll sit this one out”?
Lots of useful idiots for the far-right who think they’re painted working-class red.
Please don’t
Comon, don’t you remember? We sure taught them a lesson in 2016 by abstaining from the vote. America is paradise now that we showed our collective non-voting might! /S
Oh I remember, Hillary was a completely awful tone deaf nomination, and enough people turned out to vote for her Iraq war supporting ass anyway that she still won the popular vote and it was just our electoral college bullshit that let us all down
I really hope people do vote because at the end of the day that is the logically correct thing to do in our situation, but I totally understand being so frustrated with the bullshit you’re seeing that you just want to say fuck it
I do not. It means the propaganda is winning.
I mean, people still proudly announce that they voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries. They brought this on themselves. If you’re passing out some blame how about throwing some that direction huh?
At least that terrible Hillary didn’t get elected! Gosh she was so shrill.
I mean she basically flaunted the fact that she “won” the primary election in the face of people she needed to win the general. If you’re gonna mock the criticisms of her at least have the decency to pick one near the top of the list.
No. I’m not wasting my time, I’m sick of how this god damn society has allowed shit to be boiled down to two old fucks.
No propaganda. No influence. Just tired of this shit. And most of you are already browbeating.
People are suffering because Trump was able to get three motherfuckers on the supreme court. Voting matters.
Tell that to Kentucky, who has allowed McConnell to go on decades long destruction of his own including rushing votes. Guarantee you he will win another term and it will be his like 30th?
There are more problems than Trump.
Good news, depending on how it goes, you might not need to worry about any more elections to unsettle and disturb you in the future.
See Russia for an example as to why voter apathy won’t result in the society you want. Propaganda that influences you to not vote at all is probably the most effective with respect to destroying any semblance of representative government.
It’s reasonable to be upset at the state of things, but you’re abdicating your civic duty for nothing. Do you really believe that will void you of any responsibility for what happens next? It certainly won’t help you avoid the consequences.
Alright we’ll vote 3rd party.
Here’s the part I don’t get about you people being like “zomgz vooooote!” Where was this panic when you saw Biden winning the 2020 primaries? Did you think those of us who didn’t vote for HRC were going to give Biden a free pass? I mean I assume some of you knew there would be problems because that’s where all the “we can push Biden to the left” lies must have been coming from. And now that we know Biden is only interested in moving right here we are.
So again, where was all this panic, ire and shame during the primaries? You shoulda been screaming at Biden voters that they were fucking shit up. You should’ve been screaming at the DNC not to let the primary winner be decided in a state that went to Trump. You should’ve been screaming at Obama not to back Biden. There were so many ways you could’ve tried to influence the outcome to someone better but none of you said a fucking word.
Well here we are.
It’s cute you think I wasn’t engaging in that, but go off.
To your point regarding the 2020 primaries, take a look at how they went in States that have the highest levels of voter engagement. It might shock you to learn that when more people vote, we see better outcomes.
Keep poo-pooing the vote. If you won’t do the bare fucking minimum, you don’t deserve a government that represents you. End of story.
I like how you deny my accusation and then demonstrate it in the same comment. That’s convenient for me.
I’m not trying to convince you to vote for or against anyone. I don’t care if you vote third party, I sometimes do that too. At least they help elevate calls for reforming our voting system.
You have constructed an idea of a person that does not fit what I represent. You are assigning attributes to me that aren’t accurate or based on what I’ve stated.
You are speaking in defense of someone who speaks in support of voter apathy. That’s the only thing you’ve done that merits a response.
There are a lot more things society could be and should be doing to better itself. It’s like what I said before with people relying on karma and invisible deities to come and save them. Do they really think the power of the vote really has that much power? I mean look, we have a system in place where regardless of the popular vote (i.e where millions in number vote) can mean moot because of the points-based system that is the electoral college. We’ve seen this demonstrated time and time again.
If voting really mattered, we’d gone away with the electoral college a long time ago.
The fact that people hinge so much on voting as their way of thinking it’s what gives them power, is truly a fool’s game and it’s a game we’ve played for years now.
My civic duty would require more than just wasting my time and effort to stick a little piece of paper down a little machine after deluding myself into thinking that the options we have right now, are the best options we’ve got. When I will be thinking that we should and could be doing more things than that. It’s just nobody wants to and I don’t see you having that kind of a vision.
You’re complaining without presenting any alternatives, which is categorically unhelpful.
You’re advocating for voter apathy which is supremely regressive.
If voting didn’t matter, there wouldn’t be such a concerted effort to disenfranchise voters, via the electoral college and otherwise.
You’re not convincing me or anyone else here that you’ve got a sober view on this; it seems like you’re hoping that accelerationism towards collapse will net a positive result. Complain all you want about voting and how imperfect it is, your vision of apathy and hopelessness is actively hateful towards anyone who wants a better world.
Walmart brand Hitler.
