American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years, but women are becoming even more liberal, according to Gallup.
The survey data, released Wednesday, shows that while the country remains largely center-right, the percentage of those identifying as or leaning liberal has increased over the past three decades, and is now just 1 percent under it’s all-time high.
Roughly 36 percent of adults identify as conservative, 25 percent as liberal and the rest identify as either moderate or unsure, according to the poll.
When broken down by gender ideology, women in the youngest and oldest age groups said they were more likely to identify as liberal.
Women ages 18-29 were 40 percent more likely to be liberal in 2023, a slight decrease from 41 percent in 2022 and 44 percent in 2020, but still higher than the 30 percent in 2013. Those ages 65 and older were 25 percent more likely to identify as liberal — a slight increase from the 21 percent reported in 2013.
Oops that’s my fault.
Super-leftist trans woman here. I count as 16372938.33 womens, clearly skewing the data in our favor. Sorry everyone, so sorry
But in all seriousness, how could a woman perceive the conservative agenda and NOT become more liberal in response?!
hey when you’re erasing women can you please only erase the women for trump?
We found the Spiders Georg of liberal women.
But in all seriousness, how could a woman perceive the conservative agenda and NOT become more liberal in response?!
Oppression kink?
Keep conservatism in the bedroom, I’m sick and tired of them just flaunting their kink in public all the time
Too bad “liberals” are still center right.
conservatives by their actions want women either pregnant or at home taking care of children, whether they are theirs or someone else’s, or both. they especially want them silent and totally reliant on their men since hod forbid they get paid for their work.
liberals want to provide equal rights and equal opportunity.
from my perspective, if you aren’t white, male, wealthy and christian, I don’t know know why you are a republican since the party doesn’t care about you.
False. The entire political spectrum of the US has shifted right, and people haven’t changed a bit. They just noticed.
It seems to me that for the most part, the conservatives have become more extreme and as a result people are saying “I guess I’m a liberal now”.
There’s been recent studies that show Millennials (my generation) aren’t getting more conservative as they get into middle age. And while I don’t think I’m getting much more conservative, if at all, part of me wonders if it’s more that the party of conservatives is just outpacing us in their mad dash to the right.
Like, I definitely have some further-left ideals and some more moderate-left ones, but damn if the conservatives aren’t going full auth-right faster than I can moderate my views to even see where they’re coming from.
o can say as an elder millennial that not only have I gotten more conservative, I’ve probably gotten more a little liberal as the conservatives have gotten a lot more extreme.
when the overton window has skewed that far to the extreme right, you have rock ribbed hardcore conservatives like liz cheney, john boehner, paul ryan, george dubya freaking bush and ronald fucking reagan seem like centrists and liberals and this is not healthy for political discourse. and the media making every political thing an equivalency when it clearly is not makes it worse.
might be more fair to say “women in the US are becoming less inclined to support a dumpster fire like the self-identified modern Conservative Party”.
Just don’t forget there are some regressive women that actively want to return to the days of ‘barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen’.
Just like some black people still vote republican for some reason.
There’s no explaining everyone.
Weird, it’s almost like electing the pussy grabber in chief turned women off from the Republican party. Strange how that happened. There’s also the whole Roe vs. Wade thing literally killing women.
Roe versus Wade is not literally killing women. Hyperbole of the century.
One in 3,000 women die from pregnancy or birth complications in the US each year.
Making women remain pregnant inevitably causes deaths.
There should be exceptions for genuine medical life-threatening reasons for abortion. But that represents less than 1% of all abortions.
I actually think you shouldn’t be allowed to vote; Just like you think women can’t make determinations about their own bodies and somehow you have more care and wisdom than licensed doctors.
If you have a problem with that you’re a hypocrite.
They’re separate arguments from your original claim that RvW is not life threatening.
And while risk of death is fortunately relatively low in the US, it’s only one of the many negative consequences of the repeal.
Many women survive the birth only to be inflicted with any one of a range of physical medical issues, including life long disability and chronic pain.
There’s also deep mental issues that arise.
Likewise, there are the potential negative health concerns for the baby to consider.
On top of that, there’s all the many socio-economic problems.
I’m not saying there are easy answers to all this, but I’m not minimizing the issues either.
Because it’s not. It’s extremist state governments that are doing that not the repeal of Roe versus Wade. I attacked the statement because it is a ridiculous statement. The repeal of Roe vs Wade is not killing women.
It’s not like roe versus Wade automatically equals total abortion bans.
Most pro-life people accept and support exceptions like rape, incest or when the mother’s health is at risk. It’s only a small minority of pro-life people that don’t believe there should ever be any exceptions. You’re literally arguing against a straw man.
Pro-life itself is anti-freedom. I think pro-lifers should be denied representation in government. If you have a problem with that then you’re just hypocritical. Its the same as not allowing women to have determination over their own bodies.
It doesn’t matter what the majority wants in regards to your claim of no deaths. That’s just unfullfilled hopes and wishes.
We’re talking about the reality right now. And the reality is that the repeal has directly given the “extremists” the power to cause more maternal deaths, as you just acknowledged.
Again, you’re talking about different issues.
Econgrad’s goalpost shifting is shameless.
A friend of mine was hospitalized due to a pregnancy complication. Fortunately we live in a state where abortion is still legal so they were able to perform an emergency abortion and save her life. She was still hospitalized for a week. If we lived in one of several states where it’s not legal she would have died, no question. The doctor literally told her so. So no, it’s not hyperbole, it has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen as long as abortions are illegal.
There should always be exceptions for legitimate health issues or when rape or incest result in pregnancy. But that represents 15% or so of all abortions. Most people who are pro-life agree that there should be exceptions for these things. There’s only a very small amount of people that are hardcore fanatics who reject abortion for any reason whatsoever, they’re just very very loud.
It doesn’t matter if there should be exceptions because the reality is that in many states today there are no exceptions. Furthermore questions about who decides what constitutes a “legitimate health issue” or not make many doctors in states where there are exceptions hesitant to perform abortions even in cases where they believe it’s in the patients best interest out of fear that it would be deemed not medically necessary after the fact. Even in cases where doctors know a pregnancy is non-viable they delay aborting it until the mother is in critical condition just so that there’s no question that it was an emergency.
My problem with pro-lifers is you’re all just content to pretend to be the mouth-piece for babies because somehow you think you know better than the person who is carrying said baby.
Conservatives’ advocacy for preserving life rings hollow when it’s clear they will actively oppose policies beyond birth, like free lunch programs for kids in schools, debt forgiveness for students, and proper sex education with use of contraceptives.
It’s clear the real goal is to birth future laborers and christian missionaries. Your entire position on pro-life is actually a desperate attempt to preserve a dying religion. You’re devoid of the kindness and love taught by your own God.
I have no respect for people who pretend to care about preserving life.
First respect women, then you can respect their fetus: https://midwest.social/post/8438167
Show me these exceptions.
Did we make them Ohio for that ten year old? Are we making them in Texas? Cox was a privileged white lady with means to try the system and ability to seek treatment elsewhere. Do you think people with less will be better advocates for themselves? Apply some goddamn logic.
You seem to love this idea about the way the world should work to the extent you ignore how it actually runs. Show me the test that indicates a pregnancy is a product of rape. Or will the woman have to wait until the sentencing? (You do understand many many rapes are never reported?) Birth control fails! A big swath of abortions are from married women with kids who just want to best provide for the families they have. So to ‘save’ a fetus we condemn other kids? How does that make any sense to you? Arguments to deny reproductive autonomy are completely illogical.
Yeah, and what do you call a high risk pregnancy that would normally have ended in abortion? Now women are forced to carry the pregnancy (viable or otherwise) to term putting their health and lives at risk.
Educate yourself on what’s going on before spouting nonsense.
But that’s LACK of Roe v Wade! Checkmate or something, lib!
There should be exceptions for when the mother’s health is at risk.
Sure you waved your fingers so it magically happened so. Fuck reality right?
There are in many states.
And yet, doctors are still concerned because shit is too vague, so they just… don’t do them for any reason.
That’s on the doctors and I think it’s political in nature rather than as you described. I’m skeptical that this actually happens frequently.
That’s fine, but the facts don’t really care about your feelings.
It’s almost like this was a healthcare decision. That should have been left between doctors and their patients. Not a bunch of balding fascists.
I’m sorry but that’s in no way an objective source. On this particular social issue, that’s like citing Fox News. I’ll take some local news website or something that lists that sources or best of all the scientific study on the reluctance of doctors to perform abortions.
But I will not accept an NPR editorial on abortion as evidence.
Also that slogan is not as pithy as you think. Lol. Kind of makes you sound like a wine mom.
So you want to legislate but don’t want any responsibility for your legislation? Why would anybody give a shit about what you think?
It is happening constantly. These laws don’t define what they mean when they say the mother’s life is at risk, so doctors wait until women are on death’s doorstep because otherwise they can be charged with a crime.
Pro-lifers don’t actually think about the consequences of their vague ass laws. Women ARE dying because of the repeal of RvW and it isn’t their fault, or the doctors’, it’s the climate of fear that was intentionally created by the extremists who support this bullshit.
Except there isn’t, therefore, the repeal of Roe v Wade is, literally, killing women.
Party that hates women, young people, and treatments for preventable diseases wonders where their supporters are going
Wow, I hope we get to the bottom of this mystery
Who woulda thought that taking away women’s rights for their own bodies would have blowback?
Your rights end where another person’s rights begin. An unborn child is a person. And when you have to weigh a trolley problem when the mother’s health is in life-threatening risk it’s so serious thing that you have to consider. Abortion should be legal for situations where the mother’s health is in literal life-threatening risk but even then it’s a very serious choice.
Please stop talking out of your ass
An unborn child is a person.
You realize this is where Democrats fundamentally disagree with you, right?
Not all Democrats, only a minority. And I’m not really a Democrat anyway I’m a Christian socialist.
Ah, a Christian. That explains your inane comments.
Christianity is a disease
I’m not normally one to generalize because I’m content to let people do what they want so long as they don’t bother others, but modern Christianity calls its adherents to go out and pester people at best.
It’s a majority.
Currently, 80% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, up from 72% in 2016 and 63% in 2007.
That depends entirely on you phrase those questions. The pro-life versus pro-choice debate has wildly varying response rates based on how the questions are phrased.
True. Also depends heavily on how far along this hypothetical pregnancy is. But in general, most democrats agree, fetuses are not people, at least not until they can survive outside the womb.
Well then I disagree with most Democrats on that.
A fetus is not a person its a collection of cells. It’s not up to you to weigh any problem. It’s up to the woman and their doctor.
A human is not a person it’s a collection of cells.
See how ridiculously reductionist that sounds? And it’s absolutely up to me because I vote and I live in a society that is a democracy. I will vote on issues that matter to me. And you can do the same. So if you want to support policies that murder inconvenient children, most of which are black by the way which is very racist of you, then that’s your choice but I’m not going to support that with my vote or publically in the town square.
It is a scientific fact. Yo’re going to vote to see what my daughter’s future might be? I think not.
Stating that a collection of cells is not a human being is not a fact.
Human beings are indeed collections of cells.
A human being is a collection of cells with self awareness. People have varr6ing degrees of self awareness as you’ve displayed
So people who are in comas are no longer human beings?
What about people who are asleep?
What about people who are being put under for surgery?
I think your definition of human being is bad.
Even if we grant you your invalid position, you are still wrong. So close. You claim the unborn person has rights, but so did the mother.
In no legal jurisdiction in the United States is one person ever required to give up their bodily autonomy for another. This the mother, according to your argument, is under no legal obligation to provide the other person, according to your argument, the mothers body for any reason. If the mother wishes to discontinue the use of her body she can. If the other person dies as a result of this decision, the mother bears no responsibility.
This is well understood case law and common law.
GTFO with this terrible argument.
It doesn’t matter what the law is. Laws can and should be changed when they’re unjust.
You’re fundamentally radical and not living on planet Earth that you think this way about pregnancy. It’s the product of a degenerate and corrupt life you’ve lived that has allowed you to justify unjustifiable immorality.
In other words you’ve burned your conscience to a crisp through your vices.
It’s an abominable position you put forward. You are wholly given over to vice and darkness and sin.
Lol. This isn’t my argument. This is your argument. You just don’t understand it or the hypocrisy you live with on a daily basis.
You are right that it’s fundamentally radical and can be seen as atrocious. Fundamentalist religious whack jobs like you made it up.
You should repent of your sins. And I’m not a fundamentalist in the slightest despite being Christian.
Painting everyone that disagrees with you as a fundamentalist allows you to dismiss their arguments easily but it doesn’t change the arguments. You’re still wrong, you’ve just blinded yourself to it even further by dehumanizing and dismissing your opponents.
I will abort a fetus as a sacrament to Lucifer in your honor. Thank you for your prayers.
You don’t like being called a fundamentalist because you know they are abhorrent.
You don’t like your own argument. You can’t even stomach the inkling that your own hypocrisy.
Most of my best friends are atheist and agnostics and I’m actually a liberal Christian.
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These people don’t see women as people, so I’m sure they’re shocked.
They’re probably just about now realizing they should have taken away the right to vote first, the right to self-determination second. Rookie mistake.
Women ages 18-29 were 40 percent more likely to be liberal in 2023, a slight decrease from 41 percent in 2022 and 44 percent in 2020, but still higher than the 30 percent in 2013. Those ages 65 and older were 25 percent more likely to identify as liberal — a slight increase from the 21 percent reported in 2013.
But women of that age group need to vote! Seniors turnout is historically higher than the younger age groups and that trend needs to change.
Seniors will always have the retirement advantage, where they actually have time again in their lives to participate in politics.
All the more reason why its so important to push get-out-to-vote campaigns for younger people. Its the young 20-year-olds who are worried about their kid’s activities or work, or things that would get distracted and forget to vote.
Also, look up any laws that benefit voting ability. For example, in Texas, employers are required by law to grant people two hours of paid time off to vote (unless you have two consecutive hours to vote outside of work).
There’s also almost always early voting, and the lines are often incredibly short. Basically, look up your options and make a plan. Voting is vital, now more than ever.
The American political system has done nothing but ratchet to the right for about a hundred years.
It’s so far right that people think liberals are left wing. That shit is center right lmao
To not spam same text I will link it
This is a pet peeve of mine: the term “liberal” has gone through a semantic shift in the US. It used to mean “generally left leaning”. I think maybe the word “progressive” has taken on this role now.
I think the confusion comes from the fact that many European languages always used the cognates of “liberal” to mean “free market”, I.e. “economically conservative”. This is also how the term is used in some academic fields, like economics. But this is precisely the opposite of the other meaning!
It’s pretty clear the article is using the first meaning. They even use “leaning left” interchangeably with “liberal”.
My theory is that since Americans have been interacting with Europeans more online since the 2000s, the terms have become conflated.
Liberals/democrats ARE left wing. Always have been. By definition the term is based on seating arrangements during the French Revolution. Democrats have always been considered left wing, just as republicans have been right wing. It’s just that now:.: the tankies think they own the term.
However- in reality… the FAR LEFT has distanced itself so far from the left wing that it doesn’t even resemble what it began as.
the FAR LEFT has distanced itself so far from the left wing that it doesn’t even resemble what it began as.
Yeah they’ve really gone off the rails with this whole “don’t block strikes” and “don’t support genocide” nonsense. /s
The gaza war is not a genocide
You can call it whatever you want buddy. Only question you have to ask yourself is do you think Biden needs my vote? If not then just ignore me.
Words have meanings. Not every war is a genocide. There’s no attempt to exterminate Palestinians. Gaza is as dense as New York City. If they were trying to wipe out Palestinians there would be far more deaths than there have been.
Call it whatever you want. I don’t want the U.S. supporting Israel in it. I won’t be voting for Biden in 2024.
I’m sorry friend, any knowledge of history or political science is not allowed on Lemmy. You can choose either edgy leftist fan service or a series of escalating bans.
I thought Lemmy was created to avoid the censorship and bans on Reddit
Put my name into .ml mod logs to disabuse you of this fiction.
I mean communism is trash and tankies are literally against freedom of speech so I’m just glad all of Lemmy is not like that
It was. Then the tankies found a safe haven here amongst leftist mods and now it’s a shit show of flavor of the week manufactured outrage.
Literally the only reason I’m here is to avoid censorship so if this place starts doing that I’ll just delete everything and walk away and find another replacement.
Oh. They censor. Trust me, they censor.
Well I won’t get too attached I guess. I refuse to help build up another Reddit that is anti free speech.
I’m banned on Reddit politics and worldnews for posting leftist opinions. Frankly I’m fine with this becoming a leftist echo chamber because I’m not interested in rehashing the same tired arguments over and over again.
Don’t block strikes. Don’t support genocide. If you don’t need our votes ignore us. If you need our votes you have to listen to us.
It’s pretty simple stuff really. Take it or leave it.
That kind of attitude leads to totalitarianism. You need robust debate for a democracy to actually succeed.
Furthermore when you’re surrounded by echo chambers of your own opinions you get dumber over time. That applies to the left on the right and it’s a big reason why the right is so bonkers now.
You shouldn’t support creating a maga of the left.
That kind of attitude leads to totalitarianism.
Alright. Go solve it on Reddit then.
You shouldn’t support creating a maga of the left.
Why? Looks like they’ve managed to take over the Republican party. If leftists took over the Democrat party maybe it’d finally be worth a shit.
Exactly.
The op isn’t even correct [the idea Democrats and Republicans have always been the same as today is objectively incorrect]. The post never got deleted and there isn’t even enough people on Lemmy to mass downvote a post… Why do you act like the two of you are being martyred for your opinions?
The Republicans used to be the more liberal party. The parties literally swapped platforms at one point.
https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties
You’re absolutely correct. But I would say on a global scale the American Democrats are still centrist because they embrace managerial capitalism.
They’re not even really social Democrats like you see in Europe.
Not even a global scale, just literally as compared to Europe.
Eurocentrists are hilariously blind to their own prejudices. Y’all always say global this, global that when you’re exclusively referring to Europe.
I think you might be misunderstanding the French Revolution. By the time those seating arrangements were in place there weren’t any conservatives left. The ones on the right were the Liberals the ones on the left were the leftists. The girondins were in no way conservative. The mountain was in no way liberal.
I wasn’t talking about French democrats/conservatives. Just where the terms came from.
That was my thought when they said X identified as conservative, Y liberal, the rest moderate or unsure.
How about none of the above since they’re all right of center?
Are you guys referring to the labels as applied to the Democratic party, or the people who self-identify as one or the other?
Because while I think it’s generally fair that the Democratic party is center-right (largely absorbing any half-relevant positions Republicans once had), self-identifying liberals especially of youth and women probably are leftist despite colloquially referring to liberal. In that respect I’d imagine most of these people are effectively Social Democrats by European standards; meaning a mixed bag of regulated markets combined with a strong national government and select nationalized industries (eg, medical insurance).
a mixed bag of regulated markets combined with a strong national government and select nationalized industries (eg, medical insurance). Basically the Nordic Model
So liberal in exactly the same sense American democrats are… People not liking that “liberal” is a negative in any circle left of those who consider themsleves that, doesn’t change what it means…
Classical Liberals and especially Neoliberals (what the Democratic party is) are solidly against nationalized industries and while liberalism is ok with either laissez-faire or regulated markets, neoliberalism is strictly anti-regulation.
Socially democratic nations (Nordic nations being the most consistently socially Democratic) have nationalized industries (Norway has its energy, transportation, finance, and communications all nationalized).
Probably the closest the US has ever been to social democracy was when social security and the new deal were enacted. The Democratic party has never been majority Socially Liberal to my knowledge, which is one step right from Socially Democratic, which is yet another step right from Democratically Socialist.
No, not necessarily. Social Democracy is one-step further left on the spectrum when considering a balance between Free Markets versus total nationalization and closed markets within the purview of a functioning Democracy. In essence, a truly mixed economy with a strong welfare foundation and regulator control rods for the markets. For all intents, the progressive-left of the Democratic party are Social Democrats while the mainline “corporate dems” are ostensibly Liberals.
Tankies dreams’ aside, markets & trade aren’t going away anytime soon.
That’s a lot of words to say you don’t understand what liberalism is… No mount of “strong welfare” counteracts support of capitalism and the oppression and inevitable fascism that comes with it. Because yes, necessarily.
The fact that you think me saying all of this makes me a tankie is a perfect demonstration of your lack of understanding of these terms and ideas (and/or of your unwillingness to challenge your bias and think outside of the parameters capitalism has set for you).
Cool.
Social democrats and market socialists. The issue is that Lemmy loves to insist on the idea that liberalism and leftism are not compatible, which is an outdated, reductive idea.
Liberalism is just the idea that individual liberty is critical to democratic agency. Myself, and basically every other contemporary leftist of consequence, would argue that democratic agency is also critical to socialism as well.
The only place where this is a controversial take are internet forums where “leftism” means “violent revolutionary fan service” and the participants are, in turn, educated entirely within this framework which exists basically nowhere in the academic mainstream.
The issue is that Lemmy loves to insist on the idea that liberalism and leftism are not compatible, which is an outdated, reductive idea.
Well to the previous commenter’s point, that may just be the result of two people using different definitions of the terms.
Plenty of people do consider their “liberal” beliefs to be incompatible with “leftist” beliefs as evidenced by how many called anybody to the left of Biden as “too radical” during the 2020 primaries. We can debate about the terms but at the end of the day those people have made it clear they openly acknowledge fighting anything to the left of whatever Biden is.
There’s a world of difference between “saying something is not viable” and “fighting against something”.
You voted against our interests. You and I are not on the same side.
I mean, in the sense that you’re on the side of the Russians, that’s correct
I mean that’s what I am, the problem is whenever I use the word social Democrat as an American people have no idea what I’m talking about so I just call myself a Christian socialist instead. After all that’s just a more muscular version of social democracy.
How many environmental regulations were there in 1924? How many black people could vote? Child labor laws? Could you vote in primaries, or did party bosses in literal smoke filled rooms choose a candidate? Could states shut down newspapers and ban non-Christians from holding office?
If we go back about ten more years, women can’t vote, Senators are still choosen by state legislators rather than a popular vote.
Why are leftists so quick to forget their successes?
Unless I’m reading those graphs on the Gallup page wrong, the only two groups with an upward movement at the end are old women and young men? Everyone else was shown as decreasing from previous highs.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/609914/women-become-liberal-men-mostly-stable.aspx
American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years
What the fuck is this bullshit. This is the opposite of what has happened.
On the whole, the American public is shifting left (view how polls reflect generally more progressive positions compared to elected officials). The vocal minority are shifting right.
Don’t mistake a loud and obnoxious minority for a larger group than they are.
Honestly I see a lot of moderates getting burned by conservatives these last 12 years. Biden got literally the largest popular vote of any president of all time. That’s something to consider.
People didn’t vote for Biden, as much as they voted against Trump.
And the fools are forwarding him again despite the previous results.
I voted for Biden and am pretty fucking happy with him, he’s significantly better than I thought he would have been due to his trust in his wildly competent administration. The only problem, and it is a massive one, is his unyielding support for Israel.
Edit: forgot to mention, I’ll also be voting for Biden in November.
And the women who aren’t liberal are simply fucking morons. There is no other excuse for supporting the party that so openly hates your gender.
What if some of them are communists that prepare revolution after which they will establish UHC, universal higher education and UBI?
I guess I should be clear that I mean the ones that are conservative Republicans are all morons lol
Well fucking vote like it then.
I would say that you are an idiot/corrupt/rich if you are a conservative woman/black/LGBT/minority
