• zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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      5 months ago

      Also suicidal thoughts. If you want to defend yourself, there are lots of much safer methods than getting a gun.

    • Hildegarde@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      You have the right to kill in self defense. Many countries consider self defense from a credible threat to be just cause to kill someone.

      Even those countries that don’t permit their citizens to use lethal force in self defense are hypocrites, because they will have an army and some branch of armed law enforcement.

      Trans people are much more likely to be murdered than cis people. Being armed to mitigate that risk is a not an unreasonable decision. In the US, if a transphobe poses an imminent threat to your life you DO have a legal right to kill them, in most states, laws do vary.

      • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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        5 months ago

        Trans people are much more likely to be murdered than cis people.

        They’re also much more likely to commit suicide.

        Being armed to mitigate that risk is a not an unreasonable decision.

        If it does mitigate that risk. It also increases the risk of suicide, though, which is already much higher than average for trans people.

      • pigup@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        That’s stating the obvious. Further, laws are not Rights nor moral guides. Killing is wrong. Attacking trans people is wrong. The folks in this thread are wrong for lusting to kill. I recommend watching some videos of actual killings and murders and see if you really want to be involved with that.

        • Hildegarde@lemmy.world
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          5 months ago

          If you’re in a situation where you can justifiably kill in selfself defense, choosing inaction will not prevent your involvement with that.

          No one is encouraging trans people to kill innocent people for no reason.

        • DessertStorms@kbin.social
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          5 months ago

          The only person lusting after anything is you, lusting after trans people remaining passive targets, and transphobes in power who are actively and openly lusting to eliminate trans people from existence.

          What everyone here is doing is showing appreciation to a supportive father who understands that their child, being trans, will almost certainly need to defend themselves from that.

          I recommend reading the tolerance paradox, and then maybe some history, which will teach you (if you pay any attention at all) that no oppressed people has EVER gained their freedom “peacefully”, and that you demanding it is not only the epitome of privilege, but an active support of those looking to do the eliminating.

          • pigup@lemmy.world
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            5 months ago

            I assure you, I’ve read through that literature for a long time. I’m concluding that I’m dealing with a bunch of angry teenagers here. I am in no way shape or form desiring that trans people remain passive targets. if you’re being attacked obviously defend yourself. again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself. This is becoming a stupid waste of my time and I am sure the FBI will keep records on all of you should you actually decide to pick up a gun and do anything about your feelings.

            • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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              5 months ago

              again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself.

              I haven’t seen that in this thread at all. All I’ve seen is people commenting on being prepared. No one should want to kill anyone, but sometimes people have the right to (which you agree with now but started saying they don’t) to defend themselves.

                • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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                  5 months ago

                  From your top comment of this thread:

                  Let me say that again more broadly: NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE.

                  People do sometimes have the right to kill someone.

        • onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          5 months ago

          You posted “lol kill people” and started complaining about trans people doing homicide about a post that is clearly about self defence. That seems to be exactly what you’re saying or you need to work on your reading comprehension.

            • onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              5 months ago

              I’m going to assume you’re not trolling but at this point I think it’s a lost cause tbh

              “NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE”

              “if you’re having homicidal thoughts”

              etcetc

              • pigup@lemmy.world
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                5 months ago

                I must be blind because I don’t see the word “trans” in any your quotations. Those certainly are things I wrote however. I also don’t see where I was complaining about " trans people doing homicide"

                • onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  5 months ago

                  So then why post it under a thread about trans people doing self defense? Like if someone says “trans people has the right to defend themselves” and you say “NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE” and “if you’re having homicidal thoughts…” that is what you’re implying. You’re doing the classic far right troll thing where someone makes a pretty basic statement and you respond with something obtuse implying the person said something they didn’t, and then when called out just keep backtracking and pretending that’s not what you meant.