Israel has an excellent opportunity to make peace and be the economic engine of growth for the region. But the mullahs in Iran, Hamas, and present day Likud are all made for each other
Imagine how much better the world would be if Jews migrated to the US instead of directly in the middle of people who hate them the most.
Zionism is a plague that is responsible for untold damage.
The majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews who fled to Israel after almost all of them, some 850,000 in total, were expelled or pressured out of Muslim-majority Middle Eastern countries from 1948 through the 1950s. About 72% (650,000) settled in Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world
The notion that Jewish Israelis are just Europeans is a profoundly racist and ignorant belief.
Even if that’s true they certainly jumped on the settler colonialism bandwagon from Europe quick enough.
instead of directly in the middle of people who hate them the most.
It’s not even that. Zionists caused the Middle East to hate Jews.
Blaming Jews for the antisemitism they experience is antisemitism 101, buddy.
Yeah, nah. Their neighbors declared war on Israel the literal moment Israel was founded. They hadn’t even had time to piss anyone off.
Because the very creation of Israel was a settler colonialist state ethnically cleansing the local population.
I would say their neighbours had plenty to be pissed off about.
How? By this logic creating a state is the worst action a group of people can do.
Yes? Especially if the territory of that state is forcibly taken away from others who are living on it
Creating the United States was similarly terrible as it involved the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. Same with Australia. Same with South Africa. Same with Rhodesia.
Forcibly taking someone’s home and cleansing an area of an ethnicity is certainly regarded as one of the worst actions a group of people can do. And rightly so
Of course, the way Israel was created was not ideal. I do not agree that Israel should have forced people out.
Just like many Arab countries should not have forced Jews out.
But unfortunately, it’s not very feasible to return it to the previous state now…
A lot of countries have a right of return. It works just fine. They may not be able to get the family farm back, but we can’t win everything.
The only thing you’re actually saying here is that you’re not familiar with the history of the Middle East prior to about 1948.
Zionism itself is not that bad. I believe that after many years of oppression Jews deserve to have their own state.
However, radical Zionism (such as Kahanism) is a plague.
The belief that any group of people are entitled to live anywhere because of their religion (religious nationalism) is bad.
I agree, however, once a certain group is oppressed for decades, a state where they can continue living seems very logical
Sure, but I don’t think they should get to pick and choose where they get to be.
Zionists disagree, and this is the result of appeasing them.
So what should we do? Ask them where they want to belong, remove that place from list and vote again?
No, I didn’t suggest that and don’t pretend that I did.
How about a compromise? There is plenty of room in the US for them.
Ah yes, the United States; famously a leading example of tolerance and acceptance for everyone. /s
? Look at how we accommodate Mormons.
People in Palestine actually welcome them, and it is not Jew it is the Zainoist movement that were supported ( not sure who exactly gave them guns ) and started two organizations that committed multiple massacres before forming Israel.
People in Palestine actually welcome them
Hhmmmmmmmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
These were already after Zionists were already moving to the land in droves and trying to set up the Israeli state. That’s like saying the Native Americans were violent anti-Americans for attacking settler colonies during the Wild West. The process of displacement and settler colonialism was already way underway by that time and seen in real time by the local. Rather than give them their own state as promised after WWI, Britain instead not only kept Palestine, but used it so all the antisemitic European countries had somewhere to put their Jews. Revisionist Zionists happily accepted this arrangement and once they had the numbers, started setting up terrorist and paramilitary groups and prepping for their future state.
But Jewish immigration has been happening for awhile before the violence had started, and during that time, relations between the groups were almost entirely peaceful and accepting. Keep in mind that migrations were happening in the 1800’s and even earlier, way before your Wikipedia time line starts.
Btw, some of these Zionist groups tried to coordinate with the Nazis, too. And they’ve never reconciled with that. One of them became prime minister, and Netanyahu has a figure of the founder of Lehi behind his desk, too.
Israel doesn’t give a shit. They were only interested in normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia to keep them away and deal with them later. Now that they’ve ripped their masks off and kicked the ethnic cleansing process into high gear, there’s no point in normalizing relations. If Saudi Arabia has a problem with it, they’ll be “regime changed”. We’ve hit a point of no return.
Who cares? Saudis are a fundamentalist theocracy built on oil money
Anyone who wants peace in the Near East as there’s no way around the Saudis and their influence. They’re a diplomatic heavyweight in general: Within the Arab world by tribal whatnot, elsewhere mostly fuelled by oil.
Israel has been there for decades without being at war with Palestine and there was no peace.
I don’t know what they have been doing with their influence to this point then.
Israel has been there for decades without being at war with Palestine
Israel is founded on the Nakba. There hasn’t been a single day of peace since religious Zionists appeared in the region (the whole thing would’ve been possible with only Labour Zionists) which is no surprise as religious Zionists are fascists and fascists love their purified ethno-states and eternal wars.
My solution? One-state. Let all the Palestinians into Israel, with full citizenship, all of them (see right of return), tear down the walls in the west bank, deport Hamas and Kahanites into Gaza where they can fight it out to their heart’s content without bothering anyone else. Quadruple the height of the wall. They’re all criminals an open-air prison is adequate. Also put corrupt politicians there, especially corrupt prime ministers.
Good.
It’s kinda unusual for Saudi Arabia to stick up for Palestinians, isn’t it? Am I wrong about that?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The dispute over Gaza’s future — as the war rages with no end in sight — pits Israel against its top ally, the United States, as well as much of the international community, and poses a major obstacle to any plans for postwar governance or reconstruction of the impoverished coastal enclave that is home to 2.3 million Palestinians.
In the interview with “CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS,” the host asked: “Are you saying unequivocally that if there is not a credible and irreversible path to a Palestinian state, there will not be normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel?”
Earlier in the interview, when asked if oil-rich Saudi Arabia would finance reconstruction in Gaza — where Israel’s offensive has caused unprecedented destruction — Prince Faisal gave a similar answer.
At a meeting about the war on Monday, European Union foreign ministers said the creation of a Palestinian state was the only way to achieve peace and expressed concern about Netanyahu’s rejection of the idea.
Relatives of the hostages, as well as other protesters, have set up a tent camp outside Netanyahu’s residence in Jerusalem and vowed to remain until a deal is reached to bring the rest of the captives home.
But Netanyahu’s governing coalition is beholden to far-right parties that want to step up the offensive, encourage the “voluntary” emigration of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from Gaza, and re-establish Jewish settlements there.
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Ngl, quite a clever move from SA. If I had been in their position, I would have suggested the same
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Entity does smart thing
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“Omg, they’re just like me!”
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Yeah but fuck the Saudis.
Yeah, it’s terrible that they’re the ones on the right side of history on this. It shows how low the US is willing to go to protect its ME interests. Literally morally lower than Saudi.
Ya, Them, Iran, North Korea.
Nice to see them all together on the same right side.
