• FuckBigTech347@lemmygrad.ml
    22·
    10 months ago

    Debian is still the better distro overall compared to Ubuntu imo. and it’s much more lightweight too. Canonical has become more and more like Microsoft in recent years.

  • ShiningWing@lemmygrad.ml
    191·
    10 months ago

    This comparison makes no sense, a motorcycle airbag vest doesn’t require any effort on the company’s part to keep working, but backporting security fixes absolutely does

    • Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      11·
      10 months ago

      At least from my interpretation, it’s a comparison solely from the end-user perspective, sarcastically dismissing the work of backporting security fixes, which I believe is still funny in its own right. But yes, the joke falls apart beyond this scope.

    • Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlOP
      12·
      10 months ago

      a motorcycle airbag vest doesn’t require any effort on the company’s part to keep working, but backporting security fixes absolutely does

      (Both are offensive, but) you’ve got this backwards: each unit of airbag costs additional money to manufacture, while each additional copy of a backported security update does not.

      • ShiningWing@lemmygrad.ml
        11·
        10 months ago

        Yes, each airbag vest costs money to produce, that’s why you pay for them, and why it’s shit that this company is charging an ongoing subscription that actively disables them when you miss a payment, because the vests they’ve already sent out don’t cost them any money to maintain

        And yes, each copy of a backported security update doesn’t cost meaningful amounts of money, but you’re not paying for just a copy of one update, you’re paying for an ongoing service that provides constant backports of security updates for loads of packages (and if you’re a personal user, as other people mentioned, you don’t even have to pay for that!), those backports are not free to maintain, companies charging for extended support that is nothing new, especially when they’re long term support distros targeting enterprise

    • Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlOP
      161·
      10 months ago

      This is a supported release which still gets (some) security updates for free.

      But these are Expanded Security Maintenance (ESM) updates; I guess Canonical realized that the only users who really need security updates for things like libavcodec and imagemagick are those who might want to be able to safely load video or image files found on the internet (eg, enterprise users). Makes sense, right? /s

      • sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml
        14·
        10 months ago

        In their defense, it’s free for personal use. If they want to milk enterprise clients who can’t be bothered updating their systems, who cares

      • Lojcs@lemm.ee
        14·
        10 months ago

        Or you can just update the system to a more recent version? Backporting fixes can’t be effortless.

        • pigginz@lemmygrad.ml
          5·
          10 months ago

          Yeah this kind of seems like complaining that RHEL costs money. If you want the absolute latest packages there’s always rolling release. It’s Linux, so if you don’t trust Canonical you can always just assemble your very own system out of thousands of packages that are constantly updating and breaking each other.

      • pigginz@lemmygrad.ml
        71·
        10 months ago

        I think you might be misunderstanding what this is. This isn’t Canonical holding back freely-available updates to charge you money. This is Canonical doing additional work backporting fixes themselves. On any other distro with old ass packages, you’d be in the same spot just without the option of the ESM updates at all. Also Pro is free for like 5 or 10 machines for non-enterprise users so tell your boss to stop being a cheap ass if they care about security.