I have an eight-year-old laptop that needs replacing and I’m paralyzed. What are the most reliable ones now? Do I need a desktop for CAD? Pros and cons of operating systems (and where do I find them?) Browsers ditto? Where do I find answers that aren’t just product marketing?

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    6 months ago

    A number of posts have mentioned brands, but it’s very important to consider the line within the brand. Consumer-oriented lines from HP (Pavilion, Essential), Dell (Inspiron, Vostro), and Lenovo (Idea pad, Legion) are absolutely terrible. Plastic everything, difficult/impossible repairs, no upgrades, etc. Every corner that can be cut, has.

    Instead, look to the enterprise lines. Lenovo Thinkpad (my preference)/Think centre, Dell Latitude/Precision, HP Elitebook. I usually find the older ones (3-5 years old) that are off-least after enterprises are done with them, do a minor upgrade, and I’m good to go for a long time. Obviously that will depend on your needs, skill set, and desires.

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    What you need for CAD is a mouse; trackpads are just too fiddly and imprecise. I use a Logitech MX Master, which works great over Bluetooth to a laptop.

    • I’ve had my MX Master for about 4 years now, best mouse I’ve owned. Tracks on almost every surface, easy enough to open and replace the internal battery, and feels great in the hand. The dual friction scroll wheel is amazing for scrolling through large webpages, folders, and lines of code.

      Really wish it was at least a bit open source though. It’s capable of so much with the extra built in buttons and additional scroll wheel, but outside of Windows and Mac they are not very programmable

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    I’m on a 7 year old laptop, i7-7500U CPU, 32gb RAM and run Solidworks in a VM as I’m also running Linux.

    It handles parts fine, but struggles a bit with very large assemblies and rendering on surfaces. This I assume is the lack of dedicated GPU.

  • If you’re looking at new laptops, there’s two main things to look out for IMO: soldered on RAM, and a plastic chassis.

    Over the years I’ve had the unfortunate experience of repairing so many broken HP laptops in particular that I just avoid them out of principle. They tend to place a lot of heat generating components internally right beside the lid hinge, causing the plastic there to weaken and start to break off. On some occasions I’ve seen this plastic get stuck inside the nearby CPU fan, which causes the laptop to overheat and shut down on you without warning.

    There are other companies that used to be more sensible with their component placement, like Asus and Fujitsu, but IMO it would be relatively safe to pick a laptop with a non-plastic chassis that feels good to use.

    No, a desktop is not mandatory for CAD. I personally use both a 4 yo desktop and a 12 yo laptop just fine

    Everyone else has posted some really helpful answers for your other questions so I’ll end my post here!

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    I’m give you some general advice and am happy to answer any follow up questions you might have.

    Upfront, I recommend getting a laptop from a well known vendor running Windows. If you aren’t looking to go on a technology learning expedition, just need something that will work, and will have a warranty and a support line if things go wrong, you can’t beat a vendor. Dell is probably where I would look, but Microsoft surface, and Thinkpad’s are also good.

    Going with Windows from a vendor supplied laptop will maximize the amount of support you have and the number of things that just work.

    If you are looking for more of a technology project, I’d need to know more about what your tolerance is for fiddling with technology or your computer not working.

    As for CAD, as others said, check the recommended software specs and match your computer to them. Make sure you give yourself plenty of fast storage like m.2.

    For browsers, I use Firefox. Is recommend Firefox as being a good balance between privacy and just working with plugin support. But chrome and other chromium based browsers like edge also just work.

    Consider getting a Microsoft 365 personal or family account. For $100/year you get cloud storage, computer backups, and the local and online office suite, and it all integrates well into Windows.

    If any of the above assumptions are wrong, I’m happy to update recommendations.

    Finally, how do you learn to fish? It takes time to come up to speed on things, so slowly learning, finding neutral review sites like maybe Tom’s hardware, and doing your own testing.

    Lots of people will give you opinionated advice, so don’t be afraid to be skeptical. Think about what’s important to you, whether that be just working, or privacy, or availability of support materials.

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    If you go linux, I do not recommend System 76. I’ve had two of them and both of them were junk. My company issues linux laptops to developers. 9 out of 10 System 76 laptops failed within a year. I’m not a big fan of Dell. If you have the time and money check out Starlabs. Framework has a lot of promise as well.

    If you just need a beater running Windows for browsing and writing, surprisingly, I’ve found HP makes very affordable, reasonably solid machines.

    If you want really portable for basic web stuff. I’d suggest an iPad. Lots of VCs and CEO types I know just use iPad.

    For CAD you probably want a desktop with a high end mouse and an array of large monitors at an ergonomic desk setup. You’ll probably spend more on the chair and desk and workspace than on the computer.

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      I love linux, i would recommend it to anyone, just like i recommend people to diy their desktop…. except boomers asking advice on how to get up to date with modern tech. Op needs a prebuild from a good brand.

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    Desktops have a lot more bang-per-buck than laptops, and are significantly more repairable/upgradable. Laptops make a lot of compromises to squeeze everything into a portable form-factor that runs on batteries. However, only you can say whether that outweighs the space/portability benefits of a laptop, for your use-case.

    I’m a sysadmin, I work with Linux every single day, and I say to you: do not go Linux. It isn’t designed for what you want it for; it’s somewhere between the hobbyist/industrial spaces, whereas you want and need something consumer-focused. Get a nice straightforward Windows box.

    Macs are also decent, though they’re even more bucks-per-bang than laptops, and there aren’t mac versions of every application; you’d need to check what’s out there.

    Operating systems come with the computer if you’re buying them retail; you can buy them separately if you’re building from parts. Linux is free to download.

    Laptops can be ergonomics hell; tiny keyboards, little screens right at desk level - if you’re working at them all day, a proper monitor and keyboard are de rigeur - at which point, you may as well have a desktop, unless you need to take your computer with you when you go places.

    Brands, ehh. HP and Dell are decent, but whatever. Or if you’re a getting a desktop, you could build your own and save a packet, but that’s a whole other rabbit hole of complexity to dive into.

    You need SSD, not HDD. HDD is slow as hell, physically fragile, makes annoying grunting noises… just don’t even consider it. SSD is unbelievably faster and better in every respect. A little more expensive, but worth every penny. Don’t go less than 500GB, preferably 1TB.

    RAM, you need 16GB at the bare minimum; consider 32GB.

    Monitors: preferably 27", at least 1920x1080, consider 2560x1440 or even 4k. You don’t need high refresh rate, you do want an IPS-type panel. Having two monitors will greatly improve your quality of life, if you can swing it.

    CPU: there’s a million and thirty different ones out there. Just get something released in the last couple of years, you’ll be fine in most cases. There’s usually a shoulder in the price-performance curve about 75% of the way up the rankings; that’s the optimal place to buy if you want something that will keep you going a good while without getting ridiculous.

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    Desktop vs laptop doesn’t matter much for any given CAD software. Just make sure you hit the recommend specs of whatever software you’re looking to use.

    The bigger thing will be if whatever CAD software that is is Windows exclusive or not. I’d check that before deciding to go the Linux route (which most people on here are going to try to steer you towards.)

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    Do I need a desktop for CAD?

    Probably not, unless your models are really complicated or you do heavy duty finite-element analysis or something and thus need a high-end GPU. (If that were you, you’d know it and wouldn’t have needed to ask.)

    Pros and cons of operating systems (and where do I find them?)

    Linux is the best, but if your use-case is CAD you’re likely stuck on Windows because Autodesk etc. are run by assholes (in other words, because most CAD software only runs in Windows).

    Browsers ditto?

    Firefox, because it’s the only reasonably-mainstream browser that doesn’t use the same rendering engine as Chrome. You shouldn’t use any Chromium-based browser because allowing Google to have hegemony over web standards is bad for the Internet and society as a whole.

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      You shouldn’t use any Chromium-based browser because allowing Google to have hegemony over web standards is bad for the Internet and society as a whole.

      Preach it, brother!

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    Framework is the laptop designed intentionally to be fixed. They just came out with a big size version with a dedicated GPU since you mentioned CAD.

    You don’t need a desktop for CAD anymore.

    If it’s your livelihood then stick with Windows. If you need a little reliability then Ubuntu will have the most support. Otherwise, pick your flavor of Linux that you like most.

    Browsers are chromium v Firefox. They will both get the job done. Chrome (google version of chromium) plays nicest with your google account.

    As for answers, unfortunately you have to hit up multiple sources for any question. Usually ask a pc magazine, YouTube, and Reddit/Lenny and compare the answers while remembering their base motivations for providing answer.

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      You don’t need a desktop for CAD anymore.

      Not for the raw processing power, but anyone doing serious CAD work is going to want at least a 21" monitor, relying on just the laptop screen is going to be difficult especially (and I speak as someone aged over 50 myself) as your eyes become less able to focus on fine details as you get older.

      So OP needs to decide if they’re going to want to use the machine for other things as well, in which case a laptop + external monitor might be fine, or if it’s a dedicated work/hobby CAD machine in which case why not get the desktop + monitor.

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      A library PC is not likely to let you just install whatever productivity software you want, nor is it even guaranteed to be able to run it if you could. Not to mention OP mentioned being paralyzed and there may be accessibility options with getting to a library that they’d rather avoid.

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        “Where can a Boomer catch up on current computer/software technology?”

        “The library” is a valid answer to where you can find information, though I doubt computer purchasing info would be that great.

        “I have an eight-year-old laptop that needs replacing and I’m paralyzed.”

        If I understand correctly, “paralyzed” is being used metaphorically here to describe an inability to make a purchasing decision.

        However, libraries are one of the best places people with disabilities can go. They are usually set up with accessibility in mind and run by caring people.

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        Where can a Boomer catch up on current computer/software technology? What are the most reliable ones now? Do I need a desktop for CAD? Pros and cons of operating systems (and where do I find them?) Browsers ditto? Where do I find answers that aren’t just product marketing?

        The library is where OP can find answers that aren’t just product marketing, to all the above questions, including catching up on technology, and there’s absolutely no reason he needs to physically be in the building to find them. However, if he’s in my city, and can get to the branch, we have workstations created in partnership with Easterseals that likely have many of the accessibility technologies and tools he’s used to using at home as a person who is paralyzed.

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    CAD works fine on windows laptops. Look for sales at microcenter and get something with a dedicated video card. Set a budget like $1000 and start there.