• IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    This springs to mind:

    “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-anti-semites-are-completely-unaware-of-the-absurdity

    Thus begins four years of trolling. Did he? Didn’t he?

  • arandomthought@sh.itjust.works
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    14 days ago

    Billions of people, including those in high positions and with cameras on them all the time wake up every day, go about their business and then go to bed in the evening without even once doing a nazi salute by accident throughout their day. It’s not that hard actually. I’m on a pretty great streak since my birth as well and it’s really easy.

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    14 days ago

    And more to the point, no one stumbles into an extreme-right event, gives a hyper reactionary speech, and does two nazi salutes by mistake.

    The media that’s helping Musk gaslight everyone should be ashamed of themselves.

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    14 days ago

    It’s really important to remind people who are defending Musk what he was doing in Germany just a few days before this salute.

    He was fucking defending Nazis.

    This salute was no accident.

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    14 days ago

    Someone might, but sure as fuck not twice in a row.

    I mean I did once accidentally do one because i was just trying to wave to people sitting on the ground and automatically adjusted my hand angle to be flat towards them and did not realize what I just did until they pointed it out. “Slightly” different context though.

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      Yeah, I wouldn’t rule out mistakenly doing the salute. But you don’t mistakenly do it twice and then not apologize for doing people considered to be a nazi salute. Even if you do it once and you don’t apologize after being called out you’re a nazi. It’s such a taboo thing that you’d be apologetic or at the very least remorseful or ashamed. Musk is none of those things.

      And to anyone defending Musk, if he pulled out his dick and swung it around on stage and then doesn’t show any remorse for showing his dick, would you think it was accidental?

  • nxn@biglemmowski.win
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    14 days ago

    I saw a nazi just as clearly as you saw a nazi. And no, we did not just see a nazi salute, we saw a complete nazi piece of shit. There’s no more to this story, nothing here is up for debate.

  • 2ugly2live@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    I was talking about this with my friend and she was like, “I heard it’s just a Roman Salute.” Be ready to be surprised at how many people will defend this crap.

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      It really is sad how many things that little fuck nugget has ruined. In this particular instance I mean Hitler.

      Swastika? Neat, simple little geometric shape. Independently created by a few different cultures. Ruined.

      “Roman salute”? Kinda neat looking, again simple. And again probably independently invented in a few places, but definitely Roman. Ruined

      The charlie Chaplin mustache? More widely adopted after WWI as a style that would fit under a gas mask. Ruined

      I’m not trying to campaign to rehab any of these things or apologize for musk. Just kinda sad how all this cool shit got tainted.

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        So I think this is a fascinating odd corner of history.

        The “Roman” salute is definitely not Roman, and it’s not of fascist invention either. It’s an urban legend among the classical studies people: a made-up non-fact that circulated around the fringes of classical scholarship for a couple hundred years.

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        14 days ago

        That’s what I told her. I let her know that anyone trying to correct her with that is trying to play games.

  • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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    14 days ago

    Can we chill with the Nazi salute guys?

    Like, I get it, Musk is a Nazi shitbag. Not much of a surprise there.

    But I’ve seen like 100 posts about the damn salute and like 2 about the flood of EOs that Trump has put out the last two days.

    Starting to wonder if the salute was an intentional distraction. Because of course the Internet would be on fire about that.

    • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world
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      No.

      He’s already denying it and sugar coating it, as if it was just an awkward gesture, and so are others.

      He is intelligent enough and knew exactly what he was doing.

      This shit needs to be hammered home and spit in the face of anyone who apologizes for him.

      It was a nazi salute, he knew it and did it on purpose.

    • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      I think it’s very important to drive the point home that the masks are falling off

      They are neo-nazis, and they stopped being ashamed of it, tell everyone, it’s going to be rough

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      The distraction is the people saying things like “it was just an awkward gesture”, “it’s just a Roman salute”, “it’s no big deal”, “why are we still talking about this”, etc.

      It is absolutely not a distraction to acknowledge and bring attention to the fact that the most powerful nation on the planet is now being run by a fascist Nazi oligarch.

      This is a big deal. The executive orders are also big deal, but those don’t diminish this one. If you don’t think there are enough posts about the executive orders, you’re free to create them.

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        I don’t disagree, but I do think that the deliberate part is to get everybody talking about Elon while Trump goes through and destroys America unchecked.

        They know we’ve got the attention span of goldfish, and they know we’re much more apt to focus on a controversial person doing naughty things.

        These people literally control the narrative. Everything is deliberate and malicious.

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    Well, you can say that, but of course people do. It’s not like it’s a completely bizarre movement of the arm. It happens now and then and people are demonized because of it. I really don’t mean to defend Elon Musk, because I really wouldn’t mind him being guillotined, but to claim that everyone that’s been accused of doing a nazi salute, has intentionally done a nazi salute, is rather bizarre. We really don’t need this, in order to hate on Musk, he’s got all the hateability checks. There are plenty reasons that are far beyond any debate that would make him one of the most hated people on earth, and he deserves all of that. But the ‘see, it’s a nazi, here’s the proof <shows salute clip>’ won’t convince anyone that’s not already on board on hating him. The argument that it’s immoral to have over 400 billion, and that if he was a reasonable person he would give some shares to his employees, or lower prices, or distribute his money in power in whatever way possible because only a power hungry narcisistic maniac would hoard all this power, or whatever, is, I think, far more convincing than focussing on this awkward hand gesture.

  • Anegro_Montoya@sh.itjust.works
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    14 days ago

    How fucking scary is it that the richest person in the world is a fucking nazi piece of shit and now one of our supreme leaders? If you ask the people around me, “meh.”

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      14 days ago

      Honestly none of them strike me as true adherents. They just go whichever direction looks like it will give them more power or money. If there is a next administration or some BLM like cause comes back in vogue you’ll see them out there preaching to that choir as if they had always supported that cause.

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        I’m an outsider looking in, but isn’t that still a problem? The unchecked capitalism which has now created an oligarchy in the US with the media and government being controlled by the richest of the rich? They’re so sure no one can do anything about it any more that they manipulate overtly and don’t even try to hide what they’re doing.

        Seeing what’s happening in the US is very worrying.

      • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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        While I agree most of them do whatever they believe will result in more money and power, BLM was a leftist cause so the only time they would support it (or anything inherently leftist) is if their propaganda magically started to fail and their base rejected them over their stance.

  • Allonzee@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    OK hear me out.

    A prolific bird watcher has been trying to spot a rare bird on a hot summer day. He’s been shading his brow with his hand for hours to avoid the sun.

    His spouse approaches to see how he’s doing. Suddenly the bird appears! And the man, in his excitement tries to indicate to his wife to “Look up there in the sky” but his hand is still locked into the brow sunlight defence position! Oh no!

    Fuck Elon Musk though. Fucking Nazi.