Summary
Canada is preparing to retaliate against Donald Trump’s proposed 25% tariffs on Canadian imports, which could trigger the largest trade war between the nations in decades.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau promised counter-tariffs worth $37 billion, with potential for further measures, depending on Trump’s final order.
Canadian officials warn the tariffs could harm both economies, disrupting key sectors like automotive, energy, and agriculture.
Labor leaders expressed concerns over job losses and urged collaboration. Canada hopes to avoid tariffs by highlighting their mutual economic impact to U.S. lawmakers.
If, as most economists agree, tariffs hurt the importing country most - why would Canada do that to its own people?
You misunderstand. Both countries relies on the other for goods that they don’t have. If not one of the parties suddenly says that their goods now are worth more, for no economic reasons other than to punish the second party, they have to match it. It’s like game theory, you respond to injustice with a measured response similar to the first infraction.
Doing nothing would - in fact - benefit Trump. But Trump lives in a reality where no one except the US have the power to impose their will. Make no mistake, it will hurt both countries.
As an American, I want the world to punish us for our bullshit.
As an American, I really want to get the fuck out of here.
As a non-american, you’re doing about okay as everyone else.
For real. There is no escape unless you got a passport to a Scandinavian country. And then, it’s temporary. American nonsense is pervasive, it comes for everyone!
I’d say it’s time to leave the planet but I’m not a billionaire so… fuck me I guess.
as an american - yall need some laws against tech bullshit if you want to stop this
That was my reaction exactly. “Good. Fuck us.”
Same
As another American, most of us want you to leave.
Spank us, daddy! We’ve been so naughty…
name checks out
Take it all please, leave the rest of us able to fix what needs fixing.
Canada/Mexico Tarriffs are reportedly, -not- coming “right away”…
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billionaires would kill trump before they let him take a dollar from them
where were you when the billionares were lining up to kiss the ring of the man who was given clemency and immunity from literally murdering all of them with government spook squads?
Trump’s whole job is to create scapegoats while they plunder the public sector. The idea that billionaires are working for trump and not the other way around is laughable.
Last time we had a tariff war like this was the great depression
I’ve said this before, the EU should just invite Canada into the Union.
The Canadians can take the Blue States with them to the EU.
I dream of this outcome. We’re more politically compatible with Western Europe than we are to the US.
Obligatory “Well, except Alberta” which you can literally derail any good idea with.
Nice idea, but it’s not a good thing to distance yourself from your closest trading partner…just ask the U.K.
I’m.not saying Canada has to take the offer, just that it’s something that should be on the table for trump to chew on.
I see your stance now. Down with that mate.
Canada would have to switch to European standards instead of US ones. Their companies wouldn’t be happy.
How do Canadian companies like tariffs? Just saying, it’s not impossible…
Vlad and Xi hi-fiving.
Indeed and the BS, from the Orange Stain, are orders from Moscow to divide NATO and US allies.
Canada doesn’t have a military.
Nor would be able to be resupplied like Ukraine.It was a long us policy to keep it completely neutered so it will ultimately do whatever us asks, not sure why Trump had to aggravate it publicly cuz they don’t have a way out anyways.
Another idiot who never left their fucking red run backward ass shithole county. Go and visit Canada, one should not play games with them. They’re educated and they know how to fight dirty.
Lol
Have read ANY Canadian military history? Theyll fight like animals and invent new warcrimes while at it. Also I suspect at least a few states would revolt and help the Canadians at minimum the west coast and vermont.
This is not 1812 when Britain ruled the sea and could resupply Canada. Nowadays I need drones, high tech weapons etc. None of which u have
Dude im Californian, just cause im historically literate doesnt make me a Canadian. Regardless Canada does in fact have that shit, sure its not the highest end but its still effective. Ignoring that they would probably switch over to asymmetric warfare pretty damned quickly, the Quebecois alone would probably set enough car bombs off to make a Irishman blush.
Also as I said if the US goes to war with Canada there is no way in hell you dont see at minimum the west coast and New England go into open and violent revolt. Also the rest of NATO is infact a thing. Canada may not hold out in open combat but the US would also be dealing with at minimum a three front war, two thirds of which would be a civil war.
If Mexico could organize itself like Canada, they would march in and reclaim their stolen land.
You realise Britain survived both world wars because of Canada right?
Canada exited that era with the second largest navy in the world.
Canada fought hard enough in Korea that the Chinese feared Canadian soldiers.
Canada was one of the first Nations to enter the war in the middle east with the US. Sending tens of thousands of soldiers from the years 2001-2016.
Canada currently operates Leopard 2a6 MBTs, F16s, f35s and possesses what is largely considered one of the most defensible and inhospitable geographies. Has several shipping yards in northern territories that would be untouchable by ground offensives and a population of small town hicks that hate Americans.
Canada has a standing army of 100k soldiers largely trained in small party tactics, ambushing and booby trapping.
It won’t be pretty, I’ll tell you that. But you think Canadians or any other nation allied with Canada would stand for American aggression?
This is actually pretty mind-blowing as a U.Statesian (lol).
I mean how we’re neighbors and yet we just DON’T get any news about Canada. Like, at all.
And yeah I have no doubt the Canadian forces have done a ton in the world, but are they just really humble about it and don’t go stomping around in front of the global camera network all day or what? Do they spend most of their time embedding with allies maybe?
You just don’t hear about it. Canada’s just quietly there being chill…except for all that anti-vax-trucker nonsense and various whining about Trudeau, of course.
If it’s just a matter of humility as policy. Respect. Lol
We don’t have F-16s, we have F-18s. We’re also still waiting for our F-35s.
Perhaps you should cancel the F-35 order and purchase the aircraft from Dassault, Saab or Eurofighter GmbH.
So… About that. We were going to do that.
The government fast tracked the order of 80 F-35s because they fit our needs perfectly. There were complaints and lawsuits.
We cancelled the project (that we helped start with the US), lost like 100bn, did our contract hunting then settled on half the amount of F-35s for nearly double the cost.
All because we broke contract and lost our early purchase deal.
Except we do. Canada’s military isn’t large, but it’s quite modern. We’ve been a significant part of training Ukraininian forces on how to use NATO equipment. I think you’re a bit confused.
And while I don’t agree with our participation, Canada hasn’t been a peacekeeping corp in a long time either, having been a player in the war in Afghanistan and Syria. We’ve pretty consistently assisted American troops in these areas. Canada is a member of NATO, and a developer of arms and munitions as part of the indistrial military complex. We aren’t reliant on an island across the ocean for our own protection.
So they’ll make Canadians pay import taxes on American goods. Do American exports to Canada compete with anyone on price? Surely it’s mainly availability of goods?
a lot of it is about choice. whether its by foreign culture brainwashing/advertisement spam, or canadian products just being less popular. people tend to buy american products because the retailers are locked into supplying them. if that were to change the average consumer might have to change brands for food, pay more for luxuries, and say goodbye to some specific things for a while until replacements are found, but when national security is on the line, canadians need to learn how to go cold turkey and abandon this dependence on an obviously untrustworthy, unreliable, and hostile United States.
an obviously untrustworthy, unreliable, and hostile United States.
Our countries were like best friends for so long. This makes me sad and angry. I feel like I’m gonna be this way for a while.
Our countries were like best friends for so long
If you guys could have not voted in a hostile garbage idiot whose idea of strength is going all bull in a China shop that friendship could have remained warn and fuzzy.
But now that you’ve gone and re-elected the guy who treated us like we’re a hostile enemy (and said as much 5-6 years ago), we don’t have much choice other than to take a few steps back and see other people.
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I hope you guys can fix your issues, so we can feel like we can trust you again, but until then we have to do what’s right for ourselves.
Yeah, I get it. I don’t know how to fix it because apparently we want this.
I just wish yall decided to have your meltdown -before- Russia turned fascist, got bold, and decided to start shooting wars.
Europe is asleep at the wheel, disarmed themselves a decade ago and are now playing catchup and sitting on their hands with a wait and see attitude. Its a very “Adults have left the room” feeling. New adults are going to have to step up.
At least the Russians are greedy fucking idiots or we’d all be in big trouble
Its a very “Adults have left the room” feeling.
And for a shocking number of EU nations: “Oh hey, your weird street-corner-arms-dealer cousin who hangs out on 4chan a lot says he wants to be ‘man of the house’ now, whaddya think?”
You don’t want this. I don’t want this. Not even half of the voting public want this. And yet it’s happening. We don’t know how to fix it because it’s broken by design. The purpose of a system is what it does.
Canadian friends, best of luck moving forward. I hope you can do a better job than we did of staving off the torrent of bullshit.
I hope you guys can fix your issues, so we can feel like we can trust you again, but until then we have to do what’s right for ourselves.
In before the whining about National security starts again.
I dont get it. They say they dont want to pay others bills anymore, but when they start making moves to detatch themselves from the US (the only way to provide for themselves without leeching off the US is to detatch…). they cry about their national security, which is just another word for their hegemony.
America doesn’t want allies, America wants an empire of subservient vassal states who do nothing but buy their goods and services, and provide them raw materials and clients. this is not the behaivor of an ally, this is the behaivor of a hostile force. its just a shame that we’re dealing with multiple of those in the world at the same time. (Russia, China)
On what goods though? Our phones come mostly from South Korea, Japan and China. So do our cars, our televisions, our clothes, our home appliances are increasingly from companies located there. You know I’m sure that a lot of those things are assembled here and in the states, but cutting the states out of the equation isn’t unthinkable.
The right response to this is to align more closely with the EU and with those 3 major manufacturing nations in East Asia. America needs our natural resources far more than we need anything they have. Desktop processor costs will probably increase a lot in Canadian markets. Since those are mostly made in the US. But they’re not the only ones doing it. Food production in Canada would likely have to increase to compensate for lower supply of beef. But Canada is already very arable, and we have large food production chains already.
This financial crisis is negligible. If he does truly commit to the tariffs it’s going to hurt the American economy far more than anyone else. Maybe he’s banking on Canada turning elsewhere so he can use that as a pretext of foreign interference in Canadian politics (there’s already more than enough actual interference) and to actually invade the country. It’s lunatic I know, but we’ve also got Fox news hosts spewing to half the nation about how great annexing Canada would be.
About 277 Billion worth of goods annually.
You can look it up if you just type the question into a search engine, instead of making up facts.
Add a 5% levy on that and it’s nearly 12 billion in tax revenue extracted from Canadian business and consumers under the guise of sticking it to Trump.
With about a $70bn trade deficit in Canada’s favour mostly due to oil and energy exports. Which are very likely to get very expensive should we enter a trading war.
Most likely serving to make that deficit worse for America.
Didn’t mean to represent my statements as factual, just personal observation.
I’d still argue that it’s not impossible for us to navigate around that. But I don’t have any statistical basis for thinking that. If our dependence is that large then maybe America will annex us. Lord knows I wouldn’t survive such a thing. So maybe I’m delusionally trying to be hopeful about having a future at all.
The US cannot “annex” or “invade” Canada.
Both are key members of NATO. That means that all other members must defend any fellow country if it’s invaded. Almost the entire western world - INCLUDING AMERICA - would have to defend Canada.
It’s just Trump spreading lies and misinformation to distract from him stealing American’s money. Same as always.
The NATO Alliance consists of 30 member states from North America and Europe. Article Five of the treaty states that if an armed attack occurs against one of the member states, it should be considered an attack against all members, and other members shall assist the attacked member, with armed forces if necessary.
I’d love to tell you that that’s comforting. But you’re saying this under the assumption that the American military wouldn’t be able to handle that. How many of those other nations even have standing militaries? Laws and treaties are just words. He will have nearly absolute power starting tomorrow. He can basically decide for himself what the rules are.
How many of those nations even have standing militaries?
Last I checked, all of them except Iceland. However, your point stands - the U.S. accounts for well over half of total NATO defence expenditure.
Make smuggling contraband across the great lakes great again.
god imagine how much worse the gang violence will get when the canuck mafia starts mowing down border patrol agents.
Canadian Mafioso: “sorry” machine gun noises, screams
“Trump is more respected by other nations the Biden” part deux dipshit boogaloo
Trump doesn’t understand that tarrifs go both ways.
It’s kind of amazing that his first priorty upon entering office is taking revenge and starting wars. What an incredible person and even more than that, an incredible leader. Amazing.
He doesn’t care if Americans get hurt or suffer his batshit policies. His moronic base will support him even if they’re suffering; they’ll blame it on the brown people.
Good, Do it. Every country should do it. Make it fucking hurt.
I can’t wait to not be able to afford diapers since racist rednecks elected a clown. It’s like being held hostage on a train that’s headed for a brick wall. Trying to raise a family through this is so hard.
Tommorrow, “America” will become “AmeriKa.” Canada will survive and make progress, while the US will regress and fall apart.
A lot of the issues in Canada are the same as the issues in America except dialed up to 11. It is way more likely that Canada falls apart before America does.
That would be idiotic and I imagine it’s just posturing.
Canada would lose that battle…hard.
There is no winning for Canada here. Most Canadians are well aware of that. The goal is to make it hurt enough for Americans for the mutual hurt be as short-lived as possible.
As an elected official, Trump has to answer to the American people. If his policies worsen the affordability crisis (and retaliatory tariffs from Canada will achieve so that for a notable subset of Americans) then he may be compelled to reverse course.
As an elected official, Trump has to answer to the American people.
Ha!
Apart from oil, what other significant import does Canada provide that will “hurt” the Americans soooo much?
It’s America we’re talking about. This is a nation that traverses oceans and continents to shed blood for oil. An export tax on it from one of its major suppliers would be enough. The US would no doubt be able to weather any import tarriffs imposed by Canada but it will be bad for business for them. Canadian officials have already made a list of items they’re going to target which would impact $35+ billion in American goods.
Doubt that Trump sticks with this, and if he does, Canada is going to bring the US along for the ride kicking and screaming until it stops hitting itself.
Canada has a much bigger GDP than you’d guess from their population.
Size of gdp gives no indication how reliant they are on trade with another country, though
Would it? It depends if all the other US trade partners also raise tariffs against the US (but not each other).
Please Canada listen to your best and brightest
This is pure genius. Hit them where it hurts the most while simultaneously benefiting consumers.
I don’t understand why this isn’t the first option when a treaty is violated? Whybwould Canada continue to enforce their side of a now nullified agreement? How does Canada benefit from this?
It’s a good thought but much less practical than retaliatory tariffs. I don’t think there is precedent (in recent times) of Western nations overtly violating each other’s intellectual property rights.
Well now seems like a very good time to set a precedent
US against all will not work. Course the orange buttboy has his gay lover putin but russia has nothing but vodka and fetal alcohol syndrome.
Do we really need to resort to homophobia to mock Trump and Putin? And don’t give me some dross about how you think it even remotely registers to them when you say that just because they’re homophobic.
What else would you call a relationship where 2 men love each other so much they share a bed?
A happy and healthy relationship that I wouldn’t mock just because it involves two men? It’s not 1999 dude. This isn’t funny.
Not homophobia. Just a observation that people who are extremely vocal and violent against the gay are usually in the closet. See j edgar hoover.
And like every hardcore anti gay religious leader too
So you’re profiling and somehow that’s better?
We both know you are full of shit with that response. Just stop. You know you are wrong.
I’m not but you are. I’m tired of having to worry about the feelings of everyone around me when Its clear the right and left are both hell bent on getting offended about something. Don’t tell me what I meant because it triggers you. Goodbye.
Oh wow a triggered dig. You gonna call me a snowflake too?
