the wreath has a memory leak
modern app design and its consequences
More like old app design. It’s much harder (but of course fully doable) to have a memory leak in modern languages.
Another reason to not by any Asus stuff.
WDYM “malware like”? It is malware.
Windows is a choice. You made it. Congratulations.
Found the Linux community admin 🤣
Nobody could ever execute an installer as root on a Linux system 🙄
This doesn’t have anything to do with Windows. This is ASUS’s fault
And again, don’t have to deal with this corporate nonsense on my Linux machine. Maybe at work just ask IT to switch your machine to Linux. They likely won’t, but if enough people complain and ask, they might actually start thinking about using sane systems
Linux on enterprise user endpoints is an insane proposition for most organizations.
You clearly have no experience managing thousands of endpoints securely.
Maybe at work just ask IT to switch your machine to Linux.
Good luck lmao
Can confirm, from the IT side of things my hands are tied until the people talk management into it.
But good luck getting them to give up on Microsoft 365. 🤢
365 is the web browser one isn’t it?
Microsoft rebadged their cloud stuff from office 365 to Microsoft 365. This was to harmonize their offerings for enterprise customers. But it also incorporates all of the desktop software too.
Just like the Mozilla Mr. Robot “Easter egg”
The what?
Now ask the non-Christians need to do a class action lawsuit lol
“do not panic – your device is not compromised.”
meme(always has been)
if someone not you installing crap you dont want isn’t compromised then i dont what is
There is nothing wrong with your device. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We control the horizontal. We control the vertical.
I suddenly have the UHF theme song stuck in my head. We gonna make a couch potatah outta you!
…We control the treble, and all your bass belongs to us too.
/incredibly ancient joke
If you think the zoomers don’t know about Zero Wing you got another thing coming, buster 😎
awesome, merry christmas
Somebody should create a windows executable to be placed in the WPBT that silently install Linux on first windows boot…
every submit a help desk ticket to Asus asking wtf is going on
Sure, ASUS is real bad for doing this, but Windows 11 users kind of have it coming to them.
don’t blame the victim for owning a computer.
We blame dog owners when their dog mauls them.
But yes, I meant it when I said ASUS was bad for doing this.
The feature that allows manufacturers to push software onto clean installs has existed since Windows 8. If you’re advertising for Windows 10, you might want to try again.
According to the article, this particular issue is only on Windows 11. Sure, they COULD push to other OS, but they’re currently pushing it only on Windows 11. One temporary workaround for this particular problem is to not use Windows 11.
As of last year, they were doing it with Windows 10. Either they stopped pushing it for Windows 10, or the article just doesn’t bother listing the older Windows version.
If you are a new user of a ROG, ROG Strix, TUF Gaming or Prime motherboard and using Windows 10 (Creators Update/ 1903 or later) or Windows 11, you will see a pop-up dialog that invites you to install Armoury Crate during the initial boot of your PC. To install, simply click ‘OK’ and the software will be automatically downloaded and installed.
There’s plenty of reasons to hate Windows 11, but this Christmas banner debacle isn’t one of them unless you’re also willing to concede that Windows 8, 8.1, and 10 are also all garbage for including the same mechanism which allows vendors to provide run-on-boot executables that bypass clean reinstalls.
I got it this year on Windows 10, I only realized it was ASUS because it also changed the RGB theme of my ROG Keyboard. Was annoying and confusing but I didn’t assume malware, just stupidity.
This might be an unpopular take here on Lemmy but macOS, Linux or Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC IoT 2021 aren’t for everyone… Hell, I wouldn’t expect typical users to even know how to reinstall their operating system at all.
That’s kinda on the list of things that aren’t my problem.
I hate to be that blunt, but seriously. It’s 2024. If you want fairness, you’re making it yourself. We’re in the cyberpunk dystopia. Learn Linux or, send Microsoft a few disapproving letters and hope.
If Windows is a part of your job, at least write off any expense on your taxes so you don’t pay for the pain.
Is it right? No. Everyone should have fair and equal software that is as useful as my tinkering makes mine, but life ain’t fair.
I just can’t bring myself to believe that Windows 11 is or ever will be right for somebody. It’s going to cause more frustration to use it than to figure out an alternative.
fortunately you don’t get decide what’s best for everyone. you do you, not everyone else. don’t be a dick here.
What are you even saying, you want me to preface comments with “Opinion Article” ?
I’m saying you don’t get to dictate what people use. you can share your opinion, but you don’t have to be an ass.
Womp womp, I guess, you just have to live with the fact that my comments exist.
It is almost the same as Windows 8 underneath. W11 for almost everyone should feel just like a new skin with couple more features. There are some annoyances, but I have not seen anything yet that I would consider dealbreaking.
They put ads in the startmenu and take “snapshots” of your machine every few seconds to train AI to replace office workers.
At least on Pro / Enterprise / Education edition there are no ads. Maybe I have disabled them, no idea. It could be that this is a thing in Home edition that cannot be easily disabled, have never used Home edition in my life to be honest.
Recall is an optional feature that will run on specific CPUs and it will be local unless something recently changed. Would I use it even if I could? No, I don’t see a need, but it probably will be useful to many.
I find it difficult to choose a motherboard because they all look shady. aSUS should be criticized for creating a bad app and installing it without consent but I feel like this could have been any other motherboard manufacture.
I havent had any issues or shady shit with Asrock. Straightforward BIOS, no bullshit settings.
An unsolicited Christmas card through a letterbox would have at least been less worrying.
It is a part of the ASUS Armoury Crate software that is pre-installed on some ASUS PCs.
Always flash new OS if you buy a computer.
This will be executed even on new fresh installation oob.
He didn’t say to flash Windows. 😉
Yet another vendor-bootkit?
That’s in the bios, it’s a pcie device that windows allows to inject root level code into your environement, you have to turn it off and hope nothing ever spoofs that pcie id because that’s a permanent hardware rootkit into your pc like EFI
That’s in the bios, it’s a pcie device that windows allows to inject root level code into your environement
What. The. Fuck. Are they the only one to install their crap so deep?
No my ROG board does the same.
ROG is Asus.
Also I don’t think I’ve ever had this issue with my previous, nor my current rog boards. I never use their drivers CD so maybe that helps
Just because a the brand is owned by them doesnt mean they do the same.
Or we could all be informed consumers and… research products before we buy them to avoid these kinds of issues.
I’d never buy an Asus product. I hear they’re a nightmare when it comes to customer service, so in avoiding them, I avoid that problem.
I swore myself to never buy an ROG PSU (very noisy fan. Never had an issue with my seagate one being noisy) or a motherboard (armory crate).
Are other (gaming) brands also so shit to have me reset all settings before updating the firmware? e.g Gigabyte, AsRock, EVGA?
ROG is model line of Asus, not a secondary brand. ROG is to Asus what F-series trucks are to Ford.
Haha no. My work computer is HP and has similar shit.
Msi tomahawk has it too.
Gotta go in the bios and make sure your motherboard isn’t “helping” with drivers.
Which model is that?
Doesnt sound like an Elite/Pro model.I dont know the exact model, but i think it is marketed B2B specifically. It advertises its “wolf security” on boot, which according to HP “offers hardware-enforced security layers, from motherboard to cloud, to prevent and contain malware, phishing, ransomware, and remote access attacks. It also provides solutions for patching, privileged access, remote management, incident recovery, and print security.”
So it is something that allows HP access on the BIOS level.
Which distro do you recommend?
This cracks me up that everyone has a different distro to recommend… But I’ve tried many and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed was the standout that I’ve decided to stick with indefinitely.
Universal Blue is my go-to. Their OSs feel like the future. They are so easy to use and low maintenance. The upgrades happen in the background and apply automatically when you restart your computer.
There are three flavors: Bazzite for gaming Bluefin and Aurora for basic workstations and developers
I went with Aurora for myself because I like the developer focused stuff. But I also do a lot of gaming. Even though it’s not gaming focused, it’s still great for gaming.
My wife uses it on her laptop, too. She doesn’t give a shit what her OS is as long as it works and she can use the browser.
If you want minimal hassle, Mint is the deal.
EndeavourOS
Even for beginners it’s got a fantastic starting layout and default packages, but it’s still basically “just Arch Linux” where it counts so you get the best of both worlds.
+1 for EndeavourOS here. For 90% of what I do, it was a virtually seamless transition. Only hang up is a few games, VR, etc.
Garuda is probably a better option if the focus is gaming. It’s the same idea, just with a focus on gaming hardware and software ready to go, out of the gate.
Linux Mint or de-snapped Kubuntu.
Hi there. I just installed Kubuntu on a spare machine, but I ran into a problem with the snaps. How would one “de-snap” it? Can you point me in the right direction?
- Remove Snap packages
snap remove <package-name>(To check snap PKG installed, run
snap list)
- Uninstall Snapd
sudo apt purge snapd- Remove leftover files
sudo rm -rf /var/cache/snapd/and/snap`.- Optionally install Flatpak if you want an alternative.
sudo apt install flatpak. Don’t forget to visit flathub.
Lemmy Gold 🥇
That won’t get rid of it unless you also manually go into the BIOS and disable the install ASUS Armoury Crate setting as explained in the article.
If you don’t do this it will automatically reinstall even on a fresh install of Windows. Some of these bloatware programs will even install without an internet connection! This absolutely ludicrously stupid feature is called WPBT and is used by lots of manufacturers. Luckily it doesn’t work on Linux (at least for now…).
Yup. And here i am, always telling people to first read the linked article, before they write.
I don’t think it reinstalls itself if you install Linux
For now…
automatically reinstall
The user is prompted to install the application.
According to this article: https://www.techpowerup.com/248827/asus-z390-motherboards-automatically-push-software-into-your-windows-installation it has already installed services on your computer that persist restarts by the time you are prompted to install Armoury Crate. In my opinion that is not acceptable at all.
I understand and respect your preference.
A “power user” is typically going to go through the UEFI/BIOS settings immediately after assembling their machine to configure them to their liking. Having that preference, you likely fall within that category. I would add that, at this point, this practice is about 6 generations old at this point and in use by most motherboard vendors.
As the article mentions, the feature could be considered useful. These products aren’t designed specifically for power users. Having network access and a frictionless path to driver deployment is ultimately beneficial to the majority of consumers who are going to interact with this hardware.
That’s wild that it’s a BIOS setting. Just an extra level of fuck you.
It makes sense on my ROG Ally X.
It’s for the more novice users who can assemble a PC but don’t ever think go download / install drivers afterwards.
Most of the motherboard OEMs do this. I get a lot fewer tickets where the root cause of the issue can be boiled down to “never installed drivers afterwards installing Windows”, which is also helped by the fact that many drivers are also served through Windows Update.
Operational drivers, sure i can see some valid use there.
But this is crapware.
I’m quite happy to install it, disable its startup background functions, and then use it to install / update drivers periodically. Much less tedious than doing it the manual way, especially when managing 10-20 systems per week.
There’s a bunch of other potential functions but I simply don’t bother with them.
