They should grow a pair and actually do it like China has.
*northkorea
Nah. The internet should not be segmented like this.
They’re the ones choosing to make it that way so fine let them segregate themselves. It’s not like we’re entitled to their participation nor do most of us care either way.
DO IT
Their hacking teams will still be connected.
would make it a lot easier to identify malicious traffic - all of it :)
I meam, the rest of the world could cut them off.
Nah, those spies we have in Moscow needs a way to communicate.
Satellite phones?
Its easier to hide traffic when its using the internet, everyone uses the internet. The average person doesn’t have satellite phones, so if russian intelligence agencies are detecting a satellite phone signal, thats most likely a spy. Spies would risk blowing their cover.
No, let’s not encourage this even as a joke.
All cutting Russia off from the rest of the internet will do is making them more radicalized and give even less opportunities for good ideas and good people to fight back.
That’s why China does it. That’s why Iran did it.
I have a suspicion that they have a virus that they want to spread and protect themselves from
Country Self-Defederation
Defederation to go with their defenestration.
Lmao is russia gonna be even worse than China? At least China still somewhat have access to foreign websites (emphasis on the “somewhat”).
Edit: Also, aren’t telephones still working? Just call a friend/relative outside of the country to obtain information, or ask someone who has a friend/relative out of the country and ask for information on your behalf.
Have they banned mail yet? Try using mail lol.
They’re gonna need to do a nationwide lockdown to stop all information.
(Funny thing is, no matter how hard China tries, I (I’m in the US) can still call relative in China and tell them all the info that the CCP has hidden from them)
No offense but this is incredibly short sighted and you’re assuming the average person seeks out new information. We really don’t and are more exposed to it in our daily lives of consumption. In 5, 10, 15 years it will increasingly become a problem being cut off from the outside world. Even now many believe the propaganda
The smart ones all know how to use VPNs as well. They know what’s up.
Crazy thing is they only need to control the masses who are mostly uneducated or don’t care enough to figure out what’s going on. Turns out that even the USA has a massive group of the latter type.
Turns out that even the USA has a massive group of the latter type.
What?! But 'Murica! Land of the Free!
Also, aren’t telephones still working? Just call a friend/relative outside of the country to obtain information, or ask someone who has a friend/relative and ask for information on your behalf.
In Putin Russia friend calls you! And by friend I mean your neighbor, and by call you I mean call the police to arrest you because you have dared to ask for information. Straight to the gulag for you!
That’s not how it works really. In Putin’s Russia, just like in every similar regime in history, most people talking free-minded stuff or even protesting don’t get punished in any way. But some random ones do get jail sentences with the whole list of convictions. And those sentenced are sometimes not even very keen in their views, that’s what helps the effect. You know that anything you say on political subjects can be used against you, and it will be random and unjust, because a lot of people say the same and don’t get hit with the proverbial brick of Russian law enforcement. So as a result some people talk all they want and some people are afraid of political subjects being even touched upon in their presence.
The former group existing doesn’t really hurt the regime. The latter group existing helps it. And they talk very little to each other on political subjects, which is the most useful result - another category of separation.
The whole point of Putin’s psychological strategy against Russians is in making a lot of categories of separation and reasons for apathy. It doesn’t rely on any beliefs being instilled or any active support being called upon. Just that nobody believes anything or does anything.
That’s optimal for preserving power, and support is replaced with enormous strategic resources, but as we can see, those resources are not enough. Still, I think it’ll be many years till that regime falls like Syrian one just did, and yes, just like in Syria, it may fall not to the most pleasant people.
Is that right, you can just like call China, no Great Phone Firewall?
Yeah. My parents always calls and talk to my aunts and uncles in China. I mean you can say things like “Xi Jingping is stupid” and nothing would happen, but if you say “So lets kill Xi Jingping” that’d gonna get you in trouble (at least, my relative in China would, I’d be safe in the US).
Basically, the reason is, China still need to conduct trades and bussiness with the world, so they allow some level of freedom to keep people happy, but wechat groups shitting on Xi is gonna mysteriously disband. (people aren’t gonna even gonna get arrested unless you’re the group creator) A one to one conversation isn’t gonna cause a protest unlike internet forums or group chats, that why (at least, why I think) they don’t care about phone calls.
People have a misconception that China is nazi Germany, or East Germany, but its not that bad. (I mean its not “great” but its not “nazi germany”, you get what I’m saying?)
People have a misconception that China is nazi Germany, or East Germany, but its not that bad. (I mean its not “great” but its not “nazi germany”, you get what I’m saying?)
This was the tremendous stupidity of Nazi Germany - open violence and cruelty against dissidents (and, of course, Jews and other people deemed fine to murder). Ideologically motivated, but counterproductive. They had that vampire “blood for the blood god” aesthetic, if you look at Nazi-time crests, it can be seen very well too, sort of a Satanist state.
Actually every sane totalitarian regime in existence feels not great, but not Nazi Germany.
What has happened to the Uighurs in China?
I don’t know. My relatives in China are like far away from there, so there no information to obtain. Chinese search engines and news sources doesn’t show anything. Basically, information about Tibet and Xinjiang are almost nonexistent in China.
So the only thing I know are from western sources, so I have basically the same amount of information as you have.
I mean its just speculation, but I haven’t seen any evidence of skeletons or like a mass grave (honestly too depressed to do deeper research on this topic, so let me know if you have reputable sources), so my uneducated guess is some sort of mass detention center/prison on anyone suspected of being being a “separatist”, so like US racial profiling against black people in pre- civil rights time period, but instead here its with China and Uigiurs (and other ethnic minorities).
I don’t think its a mass killing, just a mass “re-education” (aka: brainwashing) prison. Hopefully my assumptions are correct, I mean its still terrible, but mass killings would break my heart way more than just “re-educcation”.
But this is all speculation since information is so limited.
So I have been in Xinjiang, specifically Urumqi in 2010, about a year after there were local tensions and riots (I didn’t know about the riots until after I returned home). It was summer and I saw police in full riot gear, in APCs in groups of 10-15 at a time patroling the city. Not roadblocks everywhere, but multiple such patrols. I still felt safe (as a westerner, its super safe).
So there were clear, heavy local tensions. Now you are right about the news we here are obviously one sided. You have to take some critical thoughts about what is likely happening. However inter province travel requires you to present passport when buying a ticket. It’s not really a sign of a free and fair society.
I don’t keep up with internal Chinese politics beyond vaguely being interested in HK, but seeing what happened there you can make a fair assumption that in the mainland things would be harder for folks who don’t fall in line.
Yeah. My parents always calls and talk to my aunts and uncles in China.
By all means keep doxing for likes, i’m sure they’ll appreciate it. Good for them they’re not targeted specifically (i assume).
How’s this doxxing? Theres are more than 5 million Chinese Americans just so you know, many of them has a relative in China. People talk to relative often, this is not some secret. I could be any one of 5 Million people, that’s hardly doxing. There are over 8 Million people in NYC, is it doxing for someone to say they are from NYC? When you talk about millions of people, the idea of “doxxing” doesn’t even make sense.
Also, karma doesn’t exist on Lemmy…
Are mentions of Winnie the Pooh still forbidden tho?
Maybe online.
I mean, its not really like illegal, its more of, every platform would censor comparisons of Xi Jingping and Winnie the Pooh. Just the Winnie the Pooh isn’t even censored, only comparisons to Xi Jingping are censored.
Just don’t bring a poster of the comparison of Xi and Pooh in public and it’s probably fine. You can probably be safe making jokes with friends/family in private spaces, but don’t be criticizing the government in a restaurant, in case people overhear it, especially not criticisms of the central government in Beijing or Xi Jingping.
It’s not about restricting information. It’s not a problem in Russia really.
It’s about simplifying surveillance, so that in some civil war scenario the Internet connectivity were still there, but only the controlled and monitored kinds of it.
And also it is - it really is - about preserving connectivity if backbone cables going into Russia from abroad get severed or shut down.
I still think all this is about civil war scenarios. Russia’s history in the last 30 years is about its elite preserving itself at the expense of geopolitical power. They are just preparing for another stage.
They’re really into cable cutting these days. Maybe we should help.
So we help russia become an IRL echochamber?
Imagine how fast the Russian IT grinds to a halt without SO
Finally, I’ll have decent teammates in Countrstrike 2.
That’s where all the best illegal movies come from!
It will be a dark day for piracy…
Luckily, libgen and sci hub are not based there
Noooo! My sports streams!
This is a sad day
To the people thinking this means Russia will no longer be able to interfere with other countries over the internet: you are probably mistaken. Disinformation teams will still be connected to the internet. All this will mean is Russians having even less exposure to the world outside of what little Vladolf wants them to see.
It will probably make the European CS2 servers less toxic though.
It’s not about what Russians can get from the outside, it’s more about what they can get to the outside.
I think the idea is to have some capacity to temporarily preserve some connectivity, while mowing down protesters or something like that.
They are doing such exercises for like 10 years btw.
But when the war in Ukraine stops with some “mission accomplished” ceasefire, there will likely be more violent signs of popular disagreement with Putin. Because, well, people with combat experience will come back. Some of them to ask for money on the streets, some of them to abuse their relatives and neighbors, and some of them to do crime, and some of them probably to stir shit up.
How are we going to get more treasures like “Blending in with the Russians”?
Less hackers in games?
🤔
Less hackers in games?
Half of the people in Jita 4-4 disappear overnight.
Is this an EVE reference? It’s been at least 10 years since I’ve last played… ah the memories.
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Is this an EVE reference?
Yessuh. o/
I haven’t played in a while either, hah.
there’s never been a bigger hive of scum and villainy
The worst (to me, anyway) part is that a LOT of pirate stuff will disappear if the russian internet gets gated
Usenet still exists.
Gotta pay for access to any worthwhile server
Any good starting point or worthwhile server that can be recommended? I don’t mind paying, I’m paying more for the arr than for any of the subscriptions, I just dont want to have to deal with the media company bullshit anymore
I have been using Frugal and nzbGeek for years and have no complaints.
Meh, loads of other places
tbf the internet is going to consist mostly of 3 things in the future:
- propaganda
- scientific information
- funny cat videos
So I guess it’s not really a surprise that this is happening.
Tell me you use an ad blocker without telling me.
You mean the clearnet and you put advertising under propaganda, which is fair, but advertising I feel is a distinctly heinous thing we could hate all on its own!
I was gonna say you forgot porno but then
scientific information
funny “cat” videos
cat as in pussy
Yeah - and I’m Dolly Parton. Everything that Russian press puts out is lies. There are only two reasons why Russia isn’t an abandoned strip mall: Oil and the Internet.
