What’s the term for a biological adult female human?
The same word for a trans female human. Did you think that was a slam dunk lol
Y’all are the same as those in 30’s Germany who turned on all mentally ill, gay, disabled and Jewish. You just exist today instead. You are the same kind of person
If you have to bring up Hitler…
You can’t be serious.
“I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn’t be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he’s America’s Hitler. How’s that for discouraging?”
- JD Vance
‘You know, Hitler did some good things, too,’
- Donald J. Trump
“I need the kind of generals that Hitler had”
- Donald J. Trump
Why are you people so willing to pull the wool over your own eyes? It’s right in front of you, they are admitting to being Nazis publicly. Why is it that you think swastika flags are flown at Trump events??
You’ve swung so far from the original point and made this about Trump and Hitler for some reason. Hope you’re okay.
You tried to make it seem like bringing up Hitler is some sort of cheap attack.
My point is showing you those quotes is that it is not something they are being called, it is something they are calling themselves. They are aiming to have an administration similar to Adolf Hitler’s and they have admitted as much as out loud.
Don’t even try that bullshit, argue like an adult not some sort of gas-lighting teenager
You completely changed the topic and chose Trump and Hitler. When all you have is a hammer…
Except not lol
Race isn’t biological.
Woooosh
I think my joke was too deep for you, sorry. Thanks for owning it.
It was so poorly executed that no one recognized it as a joke.
You can’t win em all. But, yes, I realize that. I didn’t put a ton of thought into it. In general, that’s fine. But right now, when our trans and non-binary friends and family are under siege and lives are at risk, I will try to be more thoughtful. I reserve the right to make jokes that land poorly and ill-timed sarcasm, but I’ll try to do it less often on topics that relate to people that having increasing fear for their lives and well being.
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If you keep thinking you’re hearing “dog whistles” everywhere, even among allies, you’re going to slowly go bonkers.
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I agree, my apologies. I was just finding the post ugly and absurd, and I was flippant with my sarcasm, so I commented while I was walking without much thought.
But I agree with you. These are times to be clear and direct about being an ally. It’s reasonable and justified to be suspicious when the stakes are high and the world seems dark.
I still don’t get it. How is it a joke?
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“Anyone who doesn’t laugh is stupid.”
Bro your joke just didn’t land/wasn’t good. Don’t make this more embarrassing than it needs to be.
It’s a lemmy thread, I’ll be OK! I do appreciate your concern though.
“I’m 14 and this is deep” 🤡
Neither is gender
I appreciate the edit.
Republicans will use anything to generate outrage and distract from the constant war they wage on the working class
The biggest winners of this US elections are the corporations
we’ll see. Media companies and private prisons for sure win here, other corporations may suffer if they enact most of these policies.
I know it’s not a very hip position right now but I think the incoming administration will turn out to be mostly hype. They’ll get bogged down trying to get the blue states to comply with some insane piece of legislation on something with no federal jurisdiction, and blame their failure to do anything on that.
I’m thinking similarly and that the Democrats will use the Senate filibuster to block as many things as they can. Of course, conservatives may end up changing the filibuster and ram through all their terrible policies, then they’d only have until the midterms to pass all the crazy stuff they want to pass. Unless they figure out an illegitimate way to stay in power and go full fascist authoritarian on us. No matter what, the next few years are gonna be terrible.
I’m sorry, but that sounds like copium to me. Why would this fascist authoritarian regime be less successful than all of the other big fascist authoritarian regimes in history? They don’t care about the law.
They already had to drop Gaetz as a nominee. Likely because too many R senators said nah.
While I’m not going to say this will happen with all the other crazy proposals. If some Copium helps us get through the next 2 years minimum, and we can stay in the fight, maybe we can hold on to this place.
Even fentanyl works on pain for a while, let’s just hope the country isn’t in hospice yet.
I instinctively downvoted this because ‘copium’ is one of those load words that carries distain without engagement. Why? Because they usually are unsuccessful. They usually fizzle out. Some authoritarian regimes achieve weight and have a war, but that’s not always the case. UKs govt was borderline insane for, like, 8 years and that’s kinda mellowed now. France has had its flirtations, but it never really stuck. And ultimately I’m an optimist. And the word ‘copium’ is just short hand for ‘optimists are naive and wrong’ which… feels unwarranted to me
I’m sorry, but I feel that optimism, in this case, is both naïve and wrong.
That is not a word I generally throw freely around.
Yeah well fair play. I think you’re cynical, wrong, and actively increasing the probability of your unwanted outcome coming to pass by your language, so I guess we both just very strongly disagree with each other. But at least we can do it politely so at least there’s some hope.
I mean they have the presidency, the house, the Senate, and the supreme court, gonna be difficult to lay the blame.
They had the same situation the first two years of Trump’s first presidency. The blame did no good.
Mostly what saved us before was the incompetence, and that’s already rearing its head again. Stupid thing to rely upon, though.
Fair point
Regardless of party! Because we’re such a great country full of decadence that we have not one but two pro capitalist pro imperialism pro forever war parties!
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.”
Yeah that was the quote I was trying to go for but couldn’t quite remember
I had to look it up…knew what you were thinking though!
So much noise around this shit… Just extend the disabled toilet for trans users as well.
Being trans is not a disability unless asshole bigots make it one.
I don’t understand why it’s necessary for trans people to have a specific place for them to go, like, at all. We have been using public bathrooms for the last hundred years. It’s never been a problem before, and it’s not a problem now. This entire thing is manufactured outrage about a problem that doesn’t exist.
The way I see it there are only two realistic outcomes. We either let all women use the women’s bathroom (crazy concept) or we have the gender neutral communal bathroom/showers from Starship Troopers.
Yup and given that there may be already toilets for disabled people and those not urinals where penises are exposed in public, there is also privacy
Bravo
Menopause is going to be her karma.
If bathrooms were properly designed instead of having half walls that don’t even meet, I doubt people would care nearly as much.
I love the way Alamo Drafthouse in Texas did this. Each stall is a fully walled environment and there’s a long sinkway for everyone. No one gives a shit that it’s male and female together.
There is or was a bar and restaurant in Pensacola FL that tricked people into going into the wrong restroom if you weren’t paying attention and/or drunk. It was funny and there was no panic or outrage.
I’ve seen restaurants do the same thing. Nobody looks at anyone twice. It’s perfect
I was in a bathroom the other day with a messed up toilet paper dispenser. I didn’t notice until a woman sat in the stall next to me and I turned my head to just see full cleavage perfectly centered through this massive like 5x5 inch gap. Most uncomfortable pee of my life.
Worth noting, this was a massive bathroom with like 30 stalls and 3 people currently in it and she chose to sit right next to me :(. It ain’t just urinals, guys.
They’d find a reason to care because this is about maintaining patriarchy and queerphobia.
So funny what issues the conservative fossil fuel media comes up with to avoid any climate actions. People discussing genitals before extinction definitely show how Darwinism was right. Humanity will die of stupidity.
Problem is - media posts these images of trans women looking like women. And honestly - I have no issues with genuine trans using it.
But what this trans bathrooms opens up - is a very bad legal loophole.
Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom if I say I believe I’m a woman. There cannot be a proof - right? I don’t have to be dressed like one, I can just be dressed like a man, I can be a super dirty trucker man who “believes being a woman”.
People will exploit this.
Just a reminder: this shit is being peddled by the same people who call upon cis men to enter women’s bathroom to “protect them from predators”.
A predator doesn’t need to identify as anything to walk into a bathroom. They just need to open the door and walk in.
AND WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS? WHAT’S NEXT? MORE LITTER BOX DRAMA?
Hi, trans person here.
So what gets left out of these arguments a lot or misunderstood about being trans is not that this is a ‘belief’ based system. We are very individually aware of what we look like to other people and how we are being “clocked” by others. Take me, I am trans masculine but bodywise I have opted not to transition because of specific reasons. I don’t automatically feel comfortable using the gent’s washroom.
All of us are looking to find the path of least resistance in this binary that wasn’t designed for us. Trans women I know who don’t seemlessly pass often get stares regardless of what bathroom they use but while women might be horrible, going to the mens means that transphobes can follow you to a secondary location to assault you. If there’s an individual third non gendered option that’s often what we use because for me, I feel weird about being in women’s spaces even if they don’t hassle me and my clockable trans grildfriends don’t have to deal with the anxiety of other people staring.
If I did go on hrt though it would be a different story. I, like all of us, want to use the option that makes everyone around me the most comfortable and the whole thing pass by without any incident.
Under a system that allows trans people to make the call to use what allows us to make the call about what is safest and the least path of social resistance you really don’t find trans people who look like big scruffy men entering women’s washrooms and claiming to be a women because that isn’t a path of least resistance move. It’s not that we “believe” we are our preferred gender and just automatically switch to everything right away. We are very aware that we do not fit in but why we’re doing what we are doing is that our brain looks at our natal sex characteristics as abhorrent which means visually speaking we do dress so that other people can pick up on our deal and don’t keep reminding us in language.
Non-binary folk are kind of the standouts but generally speaking we make the exact same sort of social risk assessments and do our business in the bathroom that other people tend to clock our gender as, not nessisarily the one we feel closest aligned with.
So really under a situation where bathrooms are a free for all a fully masculine looking and coding person wandering into a women’s room not making any attempt to pass IS still a red flag worthy of heightened caution… But if you are in a place where trans men are forced to use a women’s room then more than likely that’s a person following the law and in following that law is risking getting the security or police called in because they had to pee and then spending the next hour being treated like a sex offender while they have their documents checked all because they weren’t permitted to make the bathroom choice of social least resistance for themselves.
Yeah back in the day (idk if it still is I’m just really post transition) switching bathrooms was a right of passing (heh). It was done when you started getting stares in the old bathroom. I last used a men’s room back in college when I was at a urinal (it was late and I was in a hurry) and a guy came in, saw me, walked out, then came back in, clearly having had to check the sign on the door. It’s been many years since, I’m nearing 10 years on hormones and 4 post bottom surgery and I look somewhere between androgynous and female. I get misgendered sometimes but I’ve had coworkers comment on my menses. And the thing is, I’ve met cis women who look more trans than I do.
Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom if I say I believe I’m a woman
I have news for you, you can just walk into a women’s bathroom now if you feel like it.
You never accidentally went into a women’s restroom while you were drunk or just had to pee so bad you were worried you’d piss your pants? I have, nobody was in there so I didn’t notice until afterwards when I saw no urinals.
This is such a non issue. Also let’s take your example and flip it - say you’re a trans dude, now you’re a man going into the women’s restroom because of this bullshit. Like a fully bearded jacked guy being forced to use the women’s restroom, that’s what this is doing.
And as a woman (admittedly a trans woman, but I bet my cis friends feel the same) we’d rather that than slip on piss. Shit happens, but it’s best to make sure it happens in there
What about transmen that look like big truckers? Following the new rules of Congress they would have to use the women’s restrooms and they look like you described.
I didn’t down vote you and respect the honest reply.
I am from Europe and here, I am not even aware of any toilet “laws”, except: If they offer seats and Tables, they have to provide a toilet.
You can find all the toilet “configurations” within the limits of one city. Simply because the Disabled/Pregnant Bathrooms are now “Diverse/Neutral” too.
From my perspective it’s a complete non issue, which feels like a waste of thought when compared to my daily challenges.
I can be a super dirty trucker man
Yes you can!
Once again, a whole ass group of people are being punished for what straight cisgendered men might do.
No one ever gave a shit about men raping women in bathrooms before it became a “Trans” issue.
You want to stop bathroom rapes? Start talking to your male friends about the way they objectify women. Start standing up against “locker room” talk. Call out other men for acting in sexist and predatory ways.
But you won’t, because you are a coward. It’s just so much easier to talk down to Trans people and make up silly arguments than to stand up against your own people.
Im being a huge guy - can go to the women bathroom
OK
People will exploit this.
Do you? Who is currently stopping you?
Why would someone who wants to batter, rape or abuse another person be stopped by an unlocked door with a little cartoon sign on it?
Who stopping?
If I try that now - I’ll get beat up if anyone sees me . Most likely cops called. Most likely immediate sex offender.
But if it’s a trans bathrooms - the people that try to beat me up will be in the wrong and arrested for being transphobic.
That’s total bullshit and you know it.
I’m so glad no trans person has ever been beat up because they were forced to use their birth-gender bathroom
To what end? To pee? Who cares? Go ahead. When the line’s too long at one, people regularly duck into the free restroom in an emergency anyway. If you have to go, just go.
If someone goes into a public restroom with the intention of harming someone inside, it doesn’t matter what gender any of them are, or what they look like, or which bathroom it is. None of that matters. Don’t go into a bathroom with the intention of harming someone. That’s wrong. The end.
Have you seen any bathrooms being guarded by armed security? What makes you think the kind of person who would do something like that for nefarious purposes would just suddenly decide its too risky because some suits said it was a big nono.
It’s literally the same energy as “if we made rape illegal nobody would rape anymore!” Except worse because it actively harms innocent people
There have been gender neutral bathrooms in multiple US states for years now. Find me one single example of what you’re describing occurring. This fear you have is founded in nothing but ignorance, xenophobia, and stupidity. It’s literally the point of this post. You’re no different than the white women in the 50s worrying about black people getting access to their bathrooms and victimizing them somehow.
The vast majority of pooping and being is done in gender neutral bathrooms. I’ve never been in a house that had gendered bathrooms.
Oh irrational fear and tribalistic othering, is there no asinine bullshit you won’t stoop to, repeatedly?
if I owned the establishment
removes sign entirely
BATHROOM
“There, y’all figure it out.”
“This sign is bullshit. There’s no baths in that room! Just a bunch of sinks and toilets!”
Back home we do actually use a “toilet” label for bathrooms with only toilets. Needless to say, my first visit to America made quite a few laughs when I asked where the toilets are so I can wash me hands.
Reminds me of a comedian who said he likes the European way and started asking “where is the toilet?” in the US. People stared at him saying “In the bathroom”.
In US introductory psychology courses, one common exception is to deliberately violate some unwritten social norm. Something that is never stated anywhere, but we all just customarily follow. My favorite example is, while visiting a friend’s house, ask if you can use their bathroom. When they say yes, go to their bathroom and take a bath.
Absolutely fucking beautiful!
I like how we sometimes call them “restrooms.” I don’t know what y’all are doing in there, but I certainly ain’t resting. I’m usually fighting for my life if I actually am using a public toilet instead of waiting to get home.
I’m the opposite, I shit loudly to assert my dominance over everyone else in the bathroom.
You don’t enjoy relaxing by reading the shampoo bottle?
The sinks are a bath if ya try hard enough.
I say we push them harder, hard enough that they mandate single person unisex bathrooms, with the fancy auto room washing function they have in Japan. Then I can finally crap in peace.
Until we figure out humanoid robots all people are biological and trans women are women, so…
Just unisex the thing. They get a lesson in tolerance and everyone gets equal treatment.
Last night I was thinking about the Sarah McBride situation and it got me thinking.
“I wonder if the first black person in congress was told he had to use the Colored Room?”
She just needs to pee!
Have you watched Hidden Figures? There’s a point in the movie where having different “colored” restrooms (at NASA in the 1960s) comes into play and… well, the resolution is pretty satisfying.
If trans-men wouldn’t endanger themselves by doing this, I would encourage them to chill in women toilets.
But they shouldn’t put themselves in harm’s way just to prove a point.
We should just treat them right and protect them from this nonsense.
We should be prepared for a fight on that front. The current uproar is about trans women. Put a trans man in power (anywhere) and the shit is really going to hit the fan. The rhetoric will shift from pseudo-sexualized bathroom nonsense to “how dare you disrupt our patriarchy.”
Transphobia both currently and for basically the last 50 years at least has always been framed and rooted in the idea of protecting women from predatory “men”. Trans men have been a footnote, at most and I doubt one becoming prominent will have the impact you expect.
Biological cripples?
