There’s obviously no logic whatsoever in allowing Russia to attack Ukraine freely from within its own borders while Ukraine is allowed to only defend inside its own borders. And Russia even thinks Crimea is part of Russia by some fucked up kindergarten bully logic.
No war ever in the history of mankind has followed such logic and neither does this one. If Russia threatens the use of nuclear weapons, then it is doing that without any sensible reason.
Kill those Russians. Target the North Korean troops.
Burn Moscow to the ground
I’m seeing a lot of comments taking this literally or saying why didn’t he do this before –
You all realise this is a very powerful symbolic gesture, right? This is a diplomatic move, not a literal one. The president of the US would never strike at this time in this kind of proxy war, and this is the closest ‘fuck you’ he can issue at Russia (which, again, would not be said aloud).
There’s nothing the US president could do to poke the Russian bear –other than escalate it to a hot war – other than this. This is an outgoing diplomatic move, and that is all.
Too late.
Americans chose to abandon Ukraine when they elected Donald Trump and his Republican enablers.
Russia will win, there will be one less democratic nation on the planet, Russia will expand their borders, and Europe/NATO will be threatened.
Thanks conservatives, 3rd party voters, single issue voters, and non-voters. You really thought this one through.
Americans didn’t. Only 1/3 of eligible voters voted for the rapist conman.
What’s the issue you have with a non democratic country?
I genuinely think most people (I used to just think most Americans) don’t understand the alternatives.
Democracy has been proven not to work, and those involved in it will tell you that they agree, but there’s no better option. -
Which if you think about it, isn’t really an answer.
It’s like saying: Democracy doesn’t work, mathematically or otherwise. Try something that doesn’t breed corruption. They all do, democracy is just the best corruption.
Which is bullshit. Mixing it up is the best way to stop the corruption.
We need a lot of anarchy in the world right now, otherwise we’re just the fertilizer for power families. Our grandkids are fucked in general, except for the few that get a break.
This comment is a great example of why electing a party that runs on deconstructing the public education system is an awful idea.
We’re gonna start seeing ignorant comments like this way more often going forward.
Buckle up.
When you say “ignorant comments like this” after you referring to yours?
Genuine question.
Democracy doesn’t work. The smaller countries notice it moreso. But the size of the US running a two part t system is insane, and not a true democracy. I wasn’t attacking anything but the platform that they use.
Democracy doesn’t work.
Do you grasp that this is an opinion? Because you keep stating it like it’s fact.
It is fact. Look up arrows impossibility theorem.
If you read into it at all, you didn’t read far enough.
As shown above, the proof of Arrow’s theorem relies crucially on the assumption of ranked voting.
Ah yes, one more country being puppeted by Russia, a country infamous for it’s corruption, will decrease corruption. /s
things white cisgender males say for $1,000 Alex
the incoming party has directly stated their intent to wipe out me and my friends i guess we are just collateral damage for the greater good!
They failed long before the Trumpanzee was voted in. This is just last moment desperation after they not only failed to support Ukraine, but failed to stop the Russian propaganda and bribery machine in the US.
But, Americans aren’t wrong that they also failed long before this. They failed to support the people in favor of corporate interests. They failed to deal stop the Republicans from stacking the courts.
They failed because time and time again, they would rather try to appeal to Republican voters who will NEVER switch sides or change that minds in any significant number, while ignoring the issues that have decimated support with their own base and claiming to have the moral high ground.
Thks isn’t just on the people that didn’t show up to vote, but also the people in government that let it get to this point by continually failing to act.
About time
Too little, too late. Just allowing it in kursk.
At least uk and france gave ukraine the green for using their weaponry in russia.
Biden is such a prick for doing this.
He only did it out of spite to fuck up Trump settlement.Yes, there should have never been these ridiculous restrictions.
He’s supposed to be calming shit down before Trump takes office, not setting the stage for WW3. Fucking asshole
He is. Let Ukraine win the fight before Putin’s pet takes over. WW averted.
You clearly dont understand history.
Understand history? The closest parallel I can come up with is Germany invading Poland. How’d that turn out again?
It turned out with Germany claiming they could defeat the Russians and getting their ass handed to them when they tried.
One doesn’t simply defeat the largest country in the world.
Hilariously that’s what every toothless Russian drunkard says when you ask them about the war.
I do, so it must not be all that clear 😂
“calm” would be Ukraine no longer being invaded and occupied. Working towards that end is arguably a more effective way to calm shit down.
End of all life on this planet is not an end I’m willing to walk towards
Totally unrelated but as I’m reading this thread I’m listening to an audiobook and one of the characters said “End of all life on this planet” at practically the same time I read your comment.
What audiobook?
Eruption. Apparently Michael Crichton had a pet-project he was working on and his widow found an author to finish it…James Patterson.
I never read any James Patterson, but it does have a feel like a lot of Michael Crichton books I loved like Jurassic Park or Andromeda Strain…building up “how the hell could we let this happen” with entirely plausible scenarios and science with only enough fantasy to make it work.
You don’t think we’re headed there anyways from climate change, pollution, deforestation, or any of the other shit that’s already causing ecosystems to collapse and entire species to go extinct?
Climate change causes mass extinction, not total extinction. Nuclear war causes total extinction
I genuinely doubt nuclear war would cause total extinction.
Fortunately we have scientists who are smarter than you who have published studies showing it does
Well I probably won’t survive either and it sure as shit feels like I can’t stop either so I not gonna get too worried about it
Neither am I for the end of Ukraine.
Yeah, Biden need to set the stage for Trump to try to force Ukraine into surrendering its land to a murderous dictator so that the dictator can further his plans to take more land later gah.
Yeah no, putin is the one wanting ww3 not biden
While they won’t be able to reach Moscow with these, even from within Kursk, I am willing to bet the authorization was withheld on intelligence grounds. A lot of things in the war make sense if you look at it from the perspective that arms support can’t be guaranteed.
Instead of letting Ukraine just burn through weapons, the US and allies have waited until they have the full operational capability to deploy the weapons with extreme effectiveness. They’ve had ATACMS for a while, so I suspect they held off deep strikes until the most effective targets had been identified and the likelihood of effective strike was near certain.
That’s giving everyone involved a lot of credit. To be honest, I sort of doubt these decisions were quite that rational.
Credit where credit is due though, the US and NATO know a few things about blowing shit up
Blindly stumbling along then trying to pretend it was 4D chess all along sounds much more like us
Kremlin. Go for Kremlin.
Ah. Some fireworks before the show is over.
They only have 300 km range. They are very nice but still. Pretty sure Ukraine has struck further inland with drones.
Good move by Biden.
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The rational move by Russia would be to withdraw from Ukraine before launching nukes. Nobody wants to conquer irradiated land, and the Ukranians would agree to a ceasefire.
So… just always give Putin whatever he wants anytime he wants without limit?
Perhaps you’re missing the end result of applying your logic everywhere. For instance, in place of Europe, there would be Nazi Germany, still existing, and looking forward to actually being a thousand-year reich.
I don’t see any way this logic could work without the world turning into fascist hellholes.
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I’m feeling some unease at the thought that having atomic bombs allows conquering nations without consequences.
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Not disagreeing there. Some actual diplomacy would be great.
Funny personal thing is that used to have dreams (not really nightmares) that always ended with nuke mushroom clouds rising in the horizon. Those dreams stopped on February 2022.
Or I suppose they became daydreams.
Why would exactly this change lead to a nuclear war??? The 45 other times, it did not either.
Russia isn’t gonna nuke us. At most he’ll nuke Ukraine. Nuking Ukraine will not lead to western countries nuking Russia, but if russia nukes a nato country, they’re dead too.
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uh, MAD? russia isn’t going to use strategic nuclear weapons.
There is alternative to MAD. Nuking US ships and foreign military bases, is not missiles headed to US, and doesn’t trigger 6000 missiles back. It is only launching 1000+ ICBMs that triggers MAD response, and US destroyed, btw.
Better late than never, I guess.
I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link. Here is a TLDR:
President Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike Russian and North Korean forces in Russia, a significant shift in U.S. policy. This decision comes in response to Russia’s introduction of North Korean troops into the conflict and their anticipated assault on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.
The move reflects growing concerns over Ukraine’s ability to withstand simultaneous assaults while defending territory. The authorization aims to bolster Ukraine’s defense, target high-value military assets, and deter North Korean involvement. However, it has sparked debate among U.S. officials over escalation risks, as Russia might retaliate against the U.S. or its allies.
President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to reduce U.S. support for Ukraine, is set to take office in two months, adding urgency to the decision. The Ukrainian strategy may include using captured Russian territory in Kursk as leverage in potential future negotiations. Meanwhile, the risk of Russian countermeasures remains a central concern for Biden’s administration and its allies.
My take: I’ve been waiting on this since the US election. It’s sound strategy of we believe Putin won’t want to escalate with NATO before Trump takes office.
I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link
Requires javascript to be enabled. Fuck everything about that.
The other side of this is that once it’s allowed, Trump would have to take it away.
I think Trump will simply stop sending any new munitions.
Holding back money for missiles? Where do you people get this stuff? ^^^/$
I think the sun will rise tomorrow, personally.
Possible, but other countries that have such weapons are sure to follow and allow the use now.
Bingo. It’s already started.
What we need now is Taurus. Stormshadow is fine. Taurus is the prize.
something about this seems kind of fucky. the time to do this was years ago. what is brandon’s calculation? that russia won’t do shit because their bitch is taking over? or is he finally convinced, somehow, that russia could never do shit in the first place?
brandon
whoops, you outed yourself
Yeah. I have voted D my entire life and you fucks can’t understand the simple reality that this guy fucked us with his hubris.
Check my fucking comment history, you imbecile.
Lame-duck presidency.
Doing it before can affect the election. He didn’t know Kamala was gonna lose anyways.
I’m gonna preface this by saying I totally don’t support this so don’t shoot the messenger, but half of it was that Russia doesn’t have the resources to prolong this war indefinitely. For every dollar Ukraine spends Russia loses a couple, for every Ukrainian casualty there are well over half a dozen Russian casualties. Russia staying in this war is catastrophic for Russia so there are geopolitical reasons for people wanting this war to not end but to continue. Eventually Russia would be forced to give up.
But, now time is suddenly on Russia’s side because the new administration will likely withold aid in an attempt to broker a deal that will almost certainly involve ceding Russian-occupied land, so it’s basically a Hail Mary play right now. No more playing defense, push right to the end zone before the buzzer goes off. If they can actually strike where DPRK troops are staging, hopefully Europe can continue in the absence of the US, that kind of thing
it smacks of desperation. but whatever damages russia can only be seen as a boon for humanity. i think brandon may be trying to salvage some positive glimmer in what is otherwise his historic failure of a presidency.
but whatever damages russia can only be seen as a boon for humanity.
Yes, I too get $1 trickled down everytime Russia loses $1. My life is invested in the high oil prices since the war started, and I hope more services are cut so that more can be spent to diminish Russia. I’m sure the US will win a nuclear war too, so everything will be worth it. Saying this, helps make sure I get a spot in the VIP nuclear bunkers when the Fallout Boy reality will surely just get us to support the rulership of those who destroyed the US.
Historic failure? I think domestically he has been an excellent President. Probably better than Obama. We got really lucky or he did a good job with inflation and the soft landing.
We had much lower inflation than most nations. Gaza left a nasty stain, but that was a small part of what he did as President.
Opine if that besoothes you, but Russia’s benchmark rate is >20%, their inflation is equally bonkers, and they’re now leaning on North Korean troops. There is definitely desperation in this war
it’s obviously a desperate attempt at fixing his epic cowardly fuckup in ukraine. both sides can be desparate, in case you are unaware.
I think north Korea entering the fight likely has a lot to do with it.
Plus now trump will have to actively take this permission away as opposed to not giving it.
it just seems like something outside of brandon’s ability, doing something strategic to fuck trump. the north korea angle i agree with.
